UKT Wallpaper Compo Update / Demos section

Posted by alpha at 11:20 9/9/2003.

Although we're meant to be announcing the winners of the UKT Wallpaper competition tomorrow, unfortunately due to the death of St_George's hard disc, all the existing entries have been lost (these things happen). Please can anyone who entered re-send their entry to me (alpha (at) ukterrorist.com), and I'm afraid we'll have to extend the deadline, probably to about two weeks today (September 23rd). Remember the winner gets a free 12-player server from Anti-Lag for one month.

We've also been working behind the scenes on a demos section for UKT, and we now need a few demos to test it out. If you've got a recent-ish match demo lying around that you think would be of interest to the community at large, please email me a download link along with the following info:

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DArk0r
Infinity-eSports
11:24 9/9/2003
lol sg [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
toko
euthanasia
11:24 9/9/2003
the death of St_George's hard disc. when i first read this i thought he died or summet f***ing hell lol [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
aZr
ForsakeN
11:39 9/9/2003
we want GaZ's demo of him on by07! :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DK
Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate
11:42 9/9/2003
holy s***, you're gonna get fvcking swamped with the pr0's sending demos now!! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Boz
theb0g
11:43 9/9/2003
heh, was the hard drive in question an ibm deathstar, sorry deskstar? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ssoR
11:53 9/9/2003
jay get me an elite tag. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Slider`
eSports.Edge
12:08 9/9/2003
good idea.
Ive been waiting for ukt to get some webspace and have a demo's section. Will make things much easier that you can link results to demos with fast uk mirrors. n1 [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
N38
12:23 9/9/2003
lol me too toko =) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Blade^
twisted Reality
12:29 9/9/2003
me 3 :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
VespR
14:00 9/9/2003
Webspace was never really an issue (I believe), it's more to do with bandwith :S [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Bean
funky monkey dealer
14:25 9/9/2003
I dunno Boz, George wasnt very specific when he rang me! I was laughing at him too much. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
GaZ-
14:30 9/9/2003
haha a demo section gud idea [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
mav
masters 0f ownage
14:39 9/9/2003
nice idea with the demos section, please dont allow pcw demos tho :( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
alpha
Da boss
Inspired Gaming
15:22 9/9/2003
Good point, if anyone has any ideas about how they want/don't want the demos section to work, post them here or use the site feedback link at the bottom of the page. Anyone who submits loads of suggestions will get a sneak preview before anyone else. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
PFCalcio
THX
16:14 9/9/2003
Can there be a laugh and point section where pros play REALLY rubbish.
Would be like You've been framed with less Lisa Riley and more csgeeks [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
GaZ-
16:22 9/9/2003
how about u click on ppl's names and in there profile u can dl there demo?? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
silicon
16:49 9/9/2003
gaz, surly you will have more than 1 demo on offer to us [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
pJ
17:01 9/9/2003
demos from ukt events would be nice as they dont seem to be anywhere [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Shaw
17:04 9/9/2003
No PCW Demos obviously (hard to force though unless theres a report link on them to get them removed by admins)

Linking to Clan Database, i.e you can either type in the teams names or select them from the list on clan rankings, then the clans page could have a list of demos featuring them...

Basic Demo Info: could have a layout similair to the old serverspy interface, shows the map with a nice little .jpg of map, shows a player list (if known), shows both teams, shows competition

Demo Info Continued: you could also add a link that allows users who wish to know the scores from each half / final result... dont make it viewable on main page as some people dont wanna know result before watching - like footie news before the premiership "look away now"... allows users to choose demos which are likely to show a strong aztec terrorist half for example
then see how they can steal/develop the tactics from demos rather than lookin through 4 demos of a t' team getting 1 round ;/

classics section: some demos from some time back of the big games SK v's I-eS etc- think new demo players make the old demos work now dont they ? if not no real point in this :)

ratings section: allows users who have viewed the demo to rate the demo... try and enforce it so they have to have downloaded the demo at least - obviously you cant check they watch it... then have a top 30 demos of all time... top 10 demos this week
etc etc

anyways just a few of my ideas so far - have fun :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Shaw
17:06 9/9/2003
some kind of "key" would be good too, so theres like little symbols next to the demo link to show things like
HLTV or POV, Lan or Online etc [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
GaZ-
17:35 9/9/2003
nice idea shaw but alot of us dont have clans + i only play pcw's with mixes

yeh i got s***loads recorded every war since i started playin cs i got where i own u and so19 on nuke somewhere [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
tang0^
17:50 9/9/2003
lol i thought it said death of St_George [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
w00kie
euthanasia
18:22 9/9/2003
R.I.P George u will be missed 8)~ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Shaw
18:42 9/9/2003
yeh but gaz, i doubt many people wanna see u play a mix... why wud u even record a mix ? is it for your GaVi ?
and u said "most of us dont have clans" id guess the majority of people on this site who are interested in the idea are in a clan or are linked with a clan... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Velta
Professional Gamer
19:35 9/9/2003
Shaw has some nice ideas, about time we saw a site categorize demos like that! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
N38
01:01 10/9/2003
alpha i think you should apologise for making all of our hearts skip a beat due to St_Georges death :> [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Samje
12:50 10/9/2003
why exclude PCW's?

it kind of limits the number of demo's on offer.

people like to see an exhibition of somones skill, whether it be the player playing well in a PCW, Mix or CPL final. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Shaw
16:55 10/9/2003
kinda the unspoken rule, its kinda gay giving out practice war results... to demo the war and then hand it out in private is pretty gay... to demo it and make it publically available is very lame...

1) shows untrue reflection of players
2) shows off teams tactics which they may be saving for a competition [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Samje
18:46 10/9/2003
then youve limitied yourself to a handful of demos every couple of months, some of which will be complete c**k, and only a few will actually be worth watching. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
blunt
The Angry Angels
19:02 10/9/2003
yea I agree with Shaw, I dont think what people want from a demo database is demos of random guys playing in mix matches. I know if I wanted to see how good an individual is I would want to watch them play a clan match to see how they play in a team etc, not to see how many guys he can "own" in a mix.

I think it would be nice to see a fast, reliable database for the non pro uk teams to share demos of medium/high skilled clans instead of just the pro's.

I think it would be a nice feature if each member could upload a personal demo which would be only of that player(first person view) just playing in a match, public, pcw or whatever available on the members profile page. Instead of lots of random player demos on the database that no-one wants to see.

To avoid demos being uploaded that are not wanted by admins/players I think an approval system is needed so each demo is uploaded but before it is entered into the database it is approved/dissaproved by an admin. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Samje
21:25 10/9/2003
just because its a mix, or pcw doesnt mean its gotta be some random player.

look how many events happen in the UK...

e.g look at how many demos of UKT events have been lost etc. therefore the overall size of the database is going to be tiny and rather boring.

not everyone wants to see some Pro's ripping it up in an event where they time-out ecos and stuff.

loads of people release videos of people playing public, mix, pcw.

you have to cater for all tastes, if u _dont_ want to see people playing public/mix/pcw, dont download the demo. seems like a fairer way of dealing with it rather than excluding all those demos just because they arent to your taste. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Shaw
07:44 11/9/2003
handful of demos a month... theres like 6-7 games per division in bwcsl - add that to every other league taking place weekly etc... then add in competitions and ladders.... you'll have enuff demos... why wud people wanna watch a mix ? :x [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Samje
08:56 11/9/2003
like i already said, people like to see an exhibition of skill.

who wants to see some div3 CSGN team get slammed 24-0? when you could see a mix of good UK players. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Shaw
16:57 11/9/2003
if its a mix / pcw you wont see them playing properly using any tactics anyway... they will barely be trying... why would people wanna watch that?? also id imagine a lot of people would stop playing mixes with people who constantly demo and upload them to public sites...

probably the same would happen with clans, people wudnt wanna play the clans that demo pcw's and upload them... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Samje
18:08 11/9/2003
just because its a mix means that somones not trying?

all im saying is dont burn the bridges of what demos should/shouldnt be allowed on the section. it only limits what people can see.

look how many people have seen that demo of HeatoN on dust2 public... allbeit he is arguably the best player in the world, but it still shares the same principles as the points im trying to make here.

and the demo section shouldnt be open-upload, it should be done via an admin, to stop it getting clogged up with s***e, but not everything should have to be an official game. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Shaw
19:25 11/9/2003
hmmm well id say look at ne mix... and u'll find at least one player who 1) isnt trying really
2) wudnt want the demo to be uploaded of the game

i didnt even know heaton had a public demo...id imagine the only reason it got downloaded was a one off for the purpose of seeing wot it was like or comedy value..... no1's really arsed bout his public skills [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Samje
19:39 11/9/2003
why do people playing a mix not want the demo uploaded? whats the difference if its a mix or an official.

im sure alot of clans wouldnt want their league games uploaded, for whatever reason, alot of clans play games in Leagues that dont show a true reflection of their clan. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Shaw
20:30 11/9/2003
true but they are aware that the demos will be recorded and made readily available from the start of the league...

if some1 randomly starts taking demos its different.... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Samje
22:04 11/9/2003
well basically, if theres going to be a demo section, they may aswell cater for all tastes.

we could go on for weeks about the pro's and con's of mix's/officials/pcw's, but the fact remains people have different opinions on what they want to see.

you, obviously want to see an official game, as the tactical side of CS interests you, whereas i enjoy watching somone ripping it up, whether it be official, pcw or a mix.

i could say somthing like "dont include demo's of people AWPing, coz the awp is gay*", whilst this would apply to my viewpoint on the use of the AWP, there are plenty of AWPers out there who want to see talented players using it.

If people honestly have a problem with a demo that has been uploaded, then they can request that it be removed for whatever reason.

*i have nothing against the AWP, or AWPers, and remain neutral on the matter. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Shaw
19:17 12/9/2003
we cud... but then again people can argue about how cool it is to put pcw results in fancy rainbow colours in their leet clan room topics which they spam around everywhere... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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