Valve charge for Counter Strike

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	yates 19:16 22/10/2003	:/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	wishy 19:17 22/10/2003	LOL they are such f*in c*s [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Stevenson 19:17 22/10/2003	beginning of the end for cs :\| [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Luke` 19:19 22/10/2003	Valve can go jump! CS has always been free, that why people play it and love it so much! Valve, this is a very bad move :) CU@UT2004 ;o [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	amarc 19:20 22/10/2003	Valve shoots CS in the foot... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 19:21 22/10/2003	yes how will cs survive without the igames uk league what big new multiplayer games are on the horizon btw? Halo? f***ing awful game. Nothing until Quake 4 really or the next Unreal game. Even then next big team game will likely be CS2 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Endo Legend 19:21 22/10/2003	release HL, release Opposing Force, release Blue Shift, release Counter Strike retail. is that not enough milking of an old product... no! well f*** up the games, and then get you too buy them again... GENIUS... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 19:23 22/10/2003	the LAN center charge is fair if you think about it, LAN centers make money for nothing out of Valve's work. Playing CS at home is still free, but they are taking a cut of the money LAN centers earn off them [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Luke` 19:23 22/10/2003	Well said endo, Ut2004 will be big [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Shaw 19:25 22/10/2003	lans wont keep cs going... good luck if ne1 decides to stick it out to see how badly it fairs other than that go buy halo guys :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	AnNuM 19:26 22/10/2003	Halo! Halo! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Oj 19:27 22/10/2003	also they stole dod and milked money off the retail version [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	critter 19:28 22/10/2003	by stole u mean the makers of it happily signed contracts and got lots of money? yeah, well stolen [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	the danneh ForsakeN 19:29 22/10/2003	halo is fun [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	critter 19:29 22/10/2003	what fox says is right btw. if u made a piece of free software and ppl were profiting from it u wouldnt be too pleased. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 19:29 22/10/2003	lol shaw, ridiculous statement, "stick it out". CS is getting bigger and bigger, losing the support of igames league isn't going to affect it one bit. Halo is s***, so slow and maps are so big to get across. Takes forever to get anywhere, like playing that C&C Renegade FPS game. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Gristy 19:31 22/10/2003	its fair enough they charge license fees WC3 charge lan centres dont they? or is that just for comps. if people making money from something then maybe a license fee should be paid. like on royalites people have to pay when certain jingles are used n crap [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Oj 19:31 22/10/2003	how is £40 free [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MadSpunk Last Chance 19:31 22/10/2003	Since when was CS alcohol? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Shaw 19:32 22/10/2003	Fox its nothing to do wit igames... igames dont support it... lan centres wont pay price for it... if lan centres wont pay for it... big events cant hold qualifiers for the events.. if big events cant hold quals... theres two options pro online configging cheats qualify over net qualifiers.. or no big events... if theres no big events for cs... no1 will play cs... only the people who have "fun" in the game and dont want to attend lans will be worth sticking wit cs [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Demun got:Game 19:32 22/10/2003	MoH any 1? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 19:33 22/10/2003	Blizzard charges for its games being used in competitions i think, not too sure about LAN centers. The idea that the LAN centers say they are advertising CS don't really work considering CS is free for personal use. They have to expect a charge, I'd agree the charge of £10 a machine a month is a little high though [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Atemi ForsakeN 19:34 22/10/2003	igames is just a money grabbing company anyway so gettin a piece of their own medicine [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	stabby Virgins! 19:35 22/10/2003	im guessing that lan centres have to pay monthly else i dont see a problem :E ? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Shaw 19:35 22/10/2003	also to be remembered for a lan centre to purchase and play a game like half life: sierra/valve have special licenses which must be purchased for "public use" not sure on price probly bout £100 for the game and the license, so they get charged for being lan center to buy the game... and then charged again to let people play the game.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 19:35 22/10/2003	i'm sure some of the larger LAN centers will keep CS installed. I dunno the percentages but i was in cgz the other day and the majority were playing CS at the time. Gonna take a lot of convincing people that they should change games because their LAN center can't pay for it anymore [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 19:36 22/10/2003	no Shaw, they get unlimited* free copies of the game when they pay the subscription [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Psy^ xtreme9.uk 19:37 22/10/2003	No more UKT LAN ? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	akujii0r Infinity-eSports 19:38 22/10/2003	no they dont they have to buy one license per 5 machines [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Shaw 19:39 22/10/2003	screwed twice for being a lan centre :x [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 19:39 22/10/2003	If cafe's don't take up the licences to use CS then is there a loophole by which the players can use their own steamid's at LAN centers and play for free when it comes to qualifying events [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MaGiX Prozac 19:40 22/10/2003	/me buys halo [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Chris0 19:41 22/10/2003	Shaw : if lan centres wont pay for it... big events cant hold qualifiers for the events.. apart from WCG name a big tournament that has UK quals? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Shaw 19:42 22/10/2003	they aint just charging uk people to play the game.. all the cafes in world will be same, so qualifiers and events in other countries will also be put into jeapordy... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	StriKeN unicon.cs 19:43 22/10/2003	f* OFF valve I can't believe they're doing this - GOOD on iGames UK centres to pull out of Counter-Strike. f* CS if valve are going to do this... roll on other games. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Demun got:Game 19:43 22/10/2003	y halo anywayz, its nothing like cs :/ thinking about it , if enough people stoped playing cs cos valve did make people pay what game would people move to ? :\| [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	eC^ BLACKLiGHT 19:44 22/10/2003	Does the money saved from not subscribing to CS outweigh the loss from people no longing going to centres to play? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	StriKeN unicon.cs 19:45 22/10/2003	f*** 1.6.... someone start up a 1.5 community without WON authentication [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Shaw 19:45 22/10/2003	depends on if the centres believe its a worthy investment, id imagine they will have to pay for a years worth of play or something a long length of time like that... rather than monthly, do centres believe they will still have customers in a years time asking to play cs ? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Keefe 19:47 22/10/2003	this would be great if halo was any good, sadly it's even slower than cs (hard to believe) =\| cant see this really affecting cs unless cpl/wcg decide not to use it after this ruling [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Chris0 19:47 22/10/2003	But when you get tournaments giving £££££s away, surely they will get enough in for it. If CPL keep running it, then it will last, WCG isnt as big as CPL due to 1 per country rule, and no seeding, so WCG cs event is pretty noobish, will have to wait and see for CPLs comments. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	grimbob stimulant 19:48 22/10/2003	Well I don't think most centers would have a problem if the price was resonable but if it is too much they simply can't afford it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Loxam Lite 19:51 22/10/2003	Lol, and you all disbelieved myers! Should of got out month's ago :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 19:52 22/10/2003	WCG is a lot bigger than CPL in many ways chris0 and ESWC has uk qualifiers...oohhh looka..i beat u twice tonight :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	eC^ BLACKLiGHT 19:53 22/10/2003	I imagine in a years (or so) time people will be playing CS2 in which the subscription should probably also cover?, assuming CS2 just takes over from CS as we know it now. Valve are probably gambling on enough lan centres around the world paying. taking into account the ones that don't. Is cs really that big that lan centre's maybe forced to pay? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	HeNdie Void 19:54 22/10/2003	LOL at halo played it for about 2 hours and was already more bored, then i have ever been on cs after 2 years.. yes go buy it!! then take it back next day :[ i-games were goign bankrupt anyway!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Shaw 19:55 22/10/2003	a lot of the cafes who are in igames are more netcafes where people go for a laugh wit mates... they play a wide variety of games, yes cs is probly the most popular but a lot of the players are not pro wannabe gamers and have just as much fun shooting each other to s*** on other random games... cs would be missed, but wud not kill most cafes... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	critter 19:57 22/10/2003	shaw: if there were no big tournies what impact would this have upon valve financially? nothing cos they dont get paid s*** for them in the first place. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	wolfeh Disturbed 19:57 22/10/2003	it's all about online [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	madmk 19:58 22/10/2003	cs was dieing anyway, this just made it quicker [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Shaw 19:58 22/10/2003	critter: i dont care wot valve think i was speaking from a players point of view... if there was no lan competitions ? how long would the game last ? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Loxam Lite 19:58 22/10/2003	1st step LAN centres, 2nd step customers. Its a natural progression, stop living in denial! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	wolfeh Disturbed 20:00 22/10/2003	i dont see why you have to involve the egyptian ukt readers loxam, you quasi-fascist [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SyKo 20:01 22/10/2003	maybe MSN checkers could take over from cs [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Loxam Lite 20:02 22/10/2003	You baffle me with words i quasi-understand. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	commentmaster 20:13 22/10/2003	:( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	GhOsT- digital heresy 20:17 22/10/2003	surely if LANS r gunna get charged then they will bump up the participants fee. so foad valve cheers [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Shaw 20:21 22/10/2003	i doubt the elasticity of demand is there to bunk prices up ne further (oooh business studies college courses mean something) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Baby_Joker 20:23 22/10/2003	I see alot of people with comments but i havent seen anyone with any lan centre experiance saying any thing so here is my 2 cence. Cs is not as popular as it once was in lan centrs with halo and battle field and mohaa beeing just as played if not more. Valve want to charge $10 per machine per month. 10% discount if you are with i games. 20 pc's = £2160 a year. Now that money could be put to far better use in prize funds for the games we get support for like halo and with ea shipping out medal of honour to all centres within i games to push it and battle field beeing as popular as it is most centres will not pay the money. So most centres will proberly keep on running 1.6 as it is untill valve realy bring the heat down and then just take it off. Big events may still use the game but will have to organise there own qualifiers out side of lan centres which is not and easy task unless its done at a pre built venue. Biggest problem is if other companys follow the same trend then many lan centres will not be able to afford to run the games that people want to play. And no matter what anyone sais its never good to hear about small companys like lan centres having to close and im sure they have lots of customers who treat it like a 2nd home just like at my centre. The customers wont care if we dont have it as they will play other games that they enjoy. All valve are doing is alienating them selves from the uk lan centrs which wont affect 99% of you guys as you play online 99% of the time. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	GhOsT- digital heresy 20:24 22/10/2003	the LAN centres aint gunna wanna lose out are they? they probs wont give as*** about payin monthly or wotever to valve as long as participants r willin to pay a lil more to componsate [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Baby_Joker 20:26 22/10/2003	forgot option 2. just charge more for people wanting to play cs which will push gamers to play other games anyway and save a few quid. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Wolfie WanadooWolfie 20:28 22/10/2003	personally, i think if people like CAL, CPL and WCG keep using it, then some of the other 'chain' LAN centers such as igames will continue, but it will still cut a hefty chunk out of their profits, and for CPL, its a 2 times a year event :/ still undecided, but not a smart move if valve want to keep the game popular amongst lanners [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	grimbob stimulant 20:35 22/10/2003	Baby_Joker, I speak from experience as I work at a lan cafe, and 80-90% of the people play CS most of the time. BF1942 is popular and so is MOHAA but nowhere near the amount of players that CS attracts. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Chris0 20:35 22/10/2003	"WCG is a lot bigger than CPL in many ways chris0" Im talking about the CS event, its not bigger event, due to all top teams not entering, will be interesting to see if its as good location for players when its in San Fran. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Otis Rush! 20:37 22/10/2003	Fair enough i reckon. If lan centres are going to be viable they can afford this. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shotti theb0g 20:37 22/10/2003	forgot option 2. just charge more for people wanting to play cs which will push gamers to play other games anyway and save a few quid. lan centres wont do that, they will bump up the prices of playing on all games to compensate for the cs price, that will then drive people away [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Reppy 20:38 22/10/2003	Well i owner my own centre and yes 90% of ppl play cs. Dont agree with the Fee but ill have to wait and see what ill do. But what you guys should start to think about is, once they charge us Lan centres how long is it before they charge you!!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Chris0 20:39 22/10/2003	So no IGames UK LAN centre will have CS? If many of them do, then a private league will most probably start up, but if not and IGames UK organisation force LAN centres not use CS, then they could cripple UK CS, while other countries may continue to do it. I think CS wont "die" and that next summer it wouldnt supprise me if theres a CS even held at an IGames UK centre. All IMO [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Reppy 20:43 22/10/2003	Goto say some of you really need to goto an LAN centre to see what its all about. As reading some of these comments alot of you have no idea. Why not an National Lan Day. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	gaz eNvy! 20:43 22/10/2003	im with chris0 he knows his stuff ex team uk captain and all :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Anisty- Prozac 20:44 22/10/2003	many of us have been telling you guys this would happen for months.... so im just going to be a f*wit and say 'told you so'. stupid wkers. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Chris0 20:45 22/10/2003	lol gaz plz dont say that yes you can continue to send donations to me, but saying this is silly, cos someone out there will always know better :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	gaz eNvy! 20:46 22/10/2003	only the great JamSam [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 20:48 22/10/2003	Whether or not centres continue to use it depends on how much they charge, simple as [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Anisty- Prozac 20:48 22/10/2003	im with chris0 he knows his stuff ex team uk captain and all :) just lol.... and isn't myers uk captain now? :) im going to hide in my room and pretend to be gaz camping on vertigo. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	gaz eNvy! 20:50 22/10/2003	:s why would i want to be camping on vertigo ? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Anisty- Prozac 20:51 22/10/2003	i have no idea..... you just tend to doing so, and sitting next to teams swearing heavily under your breath (forgetting you're on voice comms) while putting your sensitivity on a crazy 30 and seeing how many times you can spin round. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	beLL 20:52 22/10/2003	nah the post that we had b4 was that they was gonna charge every one to play cs on-line and lan. So this is still a big difference so smk :o [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	plebs 20:58 22/10/2003	c`mon y`all...do the new dance....it`s the gazmode. Don't worry about having a forward button, one for reverse is good enough. No! Make it two for reverse. bugger it do them all! c`mon do the gazmode and lets all bind "w" "+back" :D ..he does the fancy backwards jig... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Anisty- Prozac 20:58 22/10/2003	ckle [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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