Death Of Wall Hacks? - New Vac Update

Posted by NoToRiOuS at 01:33 5/11/2002.

I have been told by a little birdy that new security modules have been released and that Valve's Anti-Cheat technology has been updated. As you know the servers are updated automatically and contain code that should prevent all forms of wall hacks from working. Let's hope that the modules won't need to be recalled.

Here's the official word from Eric Smith:

*** This only affects Counter-Strike and Day of Defeat servers. ***

We've updated the public security modules again. These security modules introduce the wallhack prevention methods we've been working on.

We're interested in hearing about any situations where players are invisible when they shouldn't be. For example, if there's a location on a map where someone can stand without being seen. You can send the details directly to me (mailto:erics@valvesoftware.com).

Your Counter-Strike and Day of Defeat servers should update themselves automatically. Let me know if you have any problems with these security modules and we'll look into them right away.

Thanks.

Eric Smith
VALVe

Comments

NoToRiOuS
2 COOL 4 SKOOL
UKTerrorist
01:33 5/11/2002
I sure do hope it works :)

*touch wood* [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
dravicus
01:38 5/11/2002
i really hope it does its job, but for some reason i really cant see it working for very long :/ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shads
theb0g
02:40 5/11/2002
be funny if it f***ed up one day and made everyone invisible for normal players but the wallhackers could see everyone else [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
AMeN
03:19 5/11/2002
Hehe finally, lets hope it actually works [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Magic^^
08:11 5/11/2002
fuxake.....im s*** now [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Magic^^
08:18 5/11/2002
how does VAC work?
will my wallhacks still work at i14? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Smiffeh
Game2XS.Monkey Magic
08:55 5/11/2002
be interesting to see how some players i know play now :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Kapppy
09:45 5/11/2002
damn im gonna have to start using sound again =/ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Stu^
09:54 5/11/2002
News just in: Str|d3r quits cs due to recent valve anti cheat updates. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
XtCS | Hitman
09:58 5/11/2002
:o eteam innit? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
arma
09:58 5/11/2002
rofl, innit [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Grom^
10:13 5/11/2002
some of the old wallhack block stuff in CSG was really annoying :(

i remember being in the ramp room on nuke in the back corner on the CT side. enemy comes through from the ladder area but he's like invisible for the first metre or so he comes into the room. Then he suddenly appears but he could see me all the time and I'm already dead :(

hopefully the valve stuff will be better
it'll slow down servers a lot though = more bullet loss [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
XtCS | Hitman
10:47 5/11/2002
wot he said :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
K
11:39 5/11/2002
For anyone interested in finding out how it works, valve modified the netcode to only send the entities to a player if that entity is in their PVS (Potential Visibility Set). So if a player shouldn't be allowed to see an entity (which includes other players, guns etc) he wont. Not new technology at all, this should have been the first step against cheats as it is the most obvious method.

(i think this is correct, but not 100%) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
snail
12:46 5/11/2002
ppl still use wallhacks? :/ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Dr_Evil^
13:07 5/11/2002
Thats right K. I can see this ending the transparent wall wallhacks which afaik just change the drawing code for the scene to make the walls that should obscure a player transparent. However the entity wallhacks will still work in certain cases once they are rewritten imo. You cant hide a players position completly if they arent visible becasuse if they are making a sound your client has to know where that sound is. Cant see how you can hide this information from hacks but it will be a lot less advantageous to any cheats than the standard wallhacks.

GJ Valve. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Hav|Work
13:27 5/11/2002
So youll still be able to use ur wallhack then hey doc! :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Hav|Work
13:29 5/11/2002
You know to much about wallhacks imo Doc. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Choke|MaT
Choke
13:43 5/11/2002
Is this the end of those hilarious wallhack avi's of people cheating their asses off then? :o

They really made my day - esp the one of j0j0 from HillBilly Hitmen which was sooooooo hilarious...... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Smittins
13:44 5/11/2002
lol that was a classic ;)

I....see..right...thru to yoooooooou [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Dr_Evil^
14:15 5/11/2002
I was just waiting for the accusations to start. Im on a Computer Games Technology course, I know a little bit about this kind of thing. Now get back to work hav u tart :P. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
JediBitch
fightclubclan
14:25 5/11/2002
if only hl hadnt blocked cheating-death from working,this is what CD did all that time ago,if it was still about now,it wud prolly be tweaked and workin pretty damn well :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Krondor
14:38 5/11/2002
Dr Evil is a hacker he told me so last night in bed [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
SuperNick
14:38 5/11/2002
this should block wallhacks for a few hours i spose. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Dr_Evil^
14:44 5/11/2002
This technology will stop the current wallhacks in all their forms. There is no way to see someone thru a wall if the server doesnt tell you that you are there. The only way to wallhack now is how aI said above and this will result in jerky motion of the player but it will give WHers a small edge. However if you creep round making no sound then the WHer will get no advantage.

On an unrelated note I quit online CS and am playing Q3 now. I think I have a big future in it online.

PS Krondor dont tell ppl what I say in bed! :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
SuperNick
15:12 5/11/2002
shame q3 has no future online.. there's little for uk clans and doesn't even seem to make it to the competitions anymore..

is it even cpl still? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
SuperNick
15:12 5/11/2002
shame q3 has no future online.. there's little for uk clans and doesn't even seem to make it to the competitions anymore..

is it even cpl still? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Smittins
15:17 5/11/2002
i think its still cpl until ut2k3 is more established [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Smittins
15:18 5/11/2002
i think its still cpl until ut2k3 is more established [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Smittins
15:18 5/11/2002
soz couldnt resist :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shads
theb0g
15:19 5/11/2002
Dr_Evil^
14:15, 5/11/2002 I was just waiting for the accusations to start. Im on a Computer Games Technology course, I know a little bit about this kind of thing. Now get back to work hav u tart :P.

obvious you only went on this course to learn about wallhacks so you could stay 1 step ahead of VAC with your home made one ¬_¬ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
SuperNick
15:23 5/11/2002
if wallhacks won't work again i hope it doesn't half the cs clan community :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shads
theb0g
15:23 5/11/2002
... like sarge does [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shads
theb0g
15:24 5/11/2002
fu sn dont post inbetween me talking to myself [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
SuperNick
15:25 5/11/2002
great timing :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Hav|Work
15:44 5/11/2002
New valve anti wallhack / WWCL / Dr Evil quits CS

all a coincidence? I think not!

You got a new wallhack for Q3 Doc?

:) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DK
Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate
15:47 5/11/2002
New uni project Doc?

'entity based WH'

gwan son I know it'll be harder but I'm sure it'll get you more points. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
SorryBut
16:27 5/11/2002
You are a f***ing c*** Smiffeh.

I don't know you personally and have never met you in any form outside of this grey depressing website and I hesitate to type this comment. I don't know what it is about you, maybe its your willingness to grasp and respond with the punchline everybody else thought of but then thought better of. Maybe its just the impression you put across to me that you think of yourself as a witty intelligent kind of guy, when the impression I get of you is that you don't know very much, about very much.

Maybe its a combination of these things Smiffeh, either way I just get left thinking 'what a complete c***, i'd love to beat on his face'. Sorry, but I do feel better at the end of this comment for expressing my feelings than I did at the begining. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
SorryBut
16:33 5/11/2002
The above is also applicable to you also DarkKnight, although to a slightly lesser extent, shorty. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
MiG
17:00 5/11/2002
My demo button's broke :( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Dr_Evil^
17:18 5/11/2002
The quitting CS for Q3 was a joke cos OGC works in Q3 atm afaik. Obviously didnt add enuff :P's.

Entity based hacks sniff packets for data (ie what gun / health etc a player has) and then puts the info on the screen as OGC did / does. They will be the ones that still work.

LOL SorryBut. 0800 the samaritans m8 :).

LOL Mig I have the same problem now :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
SuperNick
17:45 5/11/2002
did i miss something?
what did smittins say so bad? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Messiah
Game2XS.Monkey Magic
17:46 5/11/2002
s-to the-miffeh stupid cop [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
SuperNick
17:47 5/11/2002
ah he said smiffeh, but also what did smiffeh say lol [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Smiffeh
Game2XS.Monkey Magic
17:51 5/11/2002
Whats the point in aliasing when your gonna say summit like that? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
SuperNick
17:52 5/11/2002
smiffeh is right.. i think a lot of players still wallhack and it will be interesting to see the community with this new update and also in future 1.6 with locked configs..

don't see why he deserved that flame.

PS: UKT should make a feature to edit comments :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
w1cked__
17:52 5/11/2002
'what a complete c***, i'd love to beat on his face'

so you want to w**k all over his face?

man.. your one f***ed up homosexual. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Messiah
Game2XS.Monkey Magic
17:54 5/11/2002
so are you dave

/me wipes

tbh :E [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Epyon
Kirby-eSports
17:55 5/11/2002
and you're a tubgirl craig [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Messiah
Game2XS.Monkey Magic
17:57 5/11/2002
i tubgirl'd you ed tbh =0] [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
w1cked__
17:58 5/11/2002
YE-AH wipe my mangoo off of ur chin irl :-) *LoL* [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
arma
18:00 5/11/2002
surely if he was homosexual beating over a man isnt so weird?

not that im interested or anything.. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
w1cked__
18:02 5/11/2002
I like chickens.

[Edited by alpha at 20:11, 5/11/2002] [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Nick^
19:45 5/11/2002
isnt that what i keep doing to you at ns dav lol [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DK
Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate
23:06 5/11/2002
well 'sorrybut' come pm me and we can arrange ur beating on my face asap!

s***bag [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Havors
00:03 6/11/2002
Sorrybut im scared to post with my real name??

You total spineless f****t, if u want to beat people come to a LAN and announce yourself, shortly afterwards you'll be leaving in an abulance.

w**ker. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shads
theb0g
00:19 6/11/2002
lol i love scee [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
SorryBut
01:53 6/11/2002
Although I fear I may feel some sense of remorse afterwards I don't think it would be so great that I would want to accompany you in the ambulance, Havors. You see I have a very low tolerance to injured whimpering beings and I'm scared that after a few minutes of clenching your hand supportingly your whimpering may start to irritate me to the point I start pounding on your face again there and then in the ambulance. Obviously this would be a really regrettable situation that would be best avoided by all parties. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Az
RemOte.uK
04:16 6/11/2002
/me waits for the death of cfg hacks., morons and...... lag :o [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shads
theb0g
04:55 6/11/2002
i'd f***ing pay to see that "SorryBut" tbh [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
RUDEBOY
07:16 6/11/2002
I think now would be a good time to quit, i've gone w**k at cs anyway and there is no way I can win anymore :< Online just p***es me off too much - maybe come back in 1.6 when all is locked..

And besides I have to pass uni this year [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
RUDEBOY
07:17 6/11/2002
So I can come back with new hax like doc [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
RUDEBOY
07:18 6/11/2002
The infamous VengaBOT that is ;) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
SuperNick
08:37 6/11/2002
lol DK that was class.

PS: 'Sorrybut' if you're gonna flame, least have the deceny to use your real name.. it really increases the effect when people know who it is. Aliasing just shows you're in truth the one scared of a pounding at next lan.

and no i'm not flaming you. :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Hav|Work
11:16 6/11/2002
Still wont reveal who you are hey Sorrybut?!!

If you had any balls whatsoever you would post using you real nick u f****t.

Idle threats from a p***y to scared to use his real nick.

now get back to school. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
raiz
13:11 6/11/2002
I love ppl who talk about 'beating faces' over the internet where, unfortunatly, they are unable to follow any of these lovely claims up

i personally mark these people as the ones that have never been outside, let alone anywhere near a fight...

the moral? dont act like a tough man over the internet. because your not. Otherwise you WOULDNT be acting like a tough man over the internet. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
raiz
13:14 6/11/2002
another reason why your yapping annoys me?
you dont even post in your real name in the unlikely event you meet any of these people you've been mouthing off to and one of them actually asks you to show him how you would go about 'beating a face'.

:D your bravery inspires me [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Hav|Work
13:32 6/11/2002
You can tell raiz was the one who tried to break the fights up in school cant you :P

/me fluffles shads u sexy pepperami u

:oP

Im just waiting for the next post from the s***bag whos too scared to use his real nick. >:) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Psy^
xtreme9.uk
15:34 6/11/2002
http://www.squizzastuff.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Pics/Cheat.JPG

Look at that ^^

(It's not me btw, I just found it on a forum) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Hav|Work
15:42 6/11/2002
GG Valve. Need to hire some better programmers me thinks. some kid in his bedroom is takin the p*** out of valves best efforts.

24hrs and its been bypassed :/

fighting a losing war they need to make a new engine harder to hack. or get steam sorted.

sigh. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shads
theb0g
15:42 6/11/2002
yeah thats prolly an entity wallhack as the players are running so you could tell thier positioning from the sound like drevil^ogcprogrammer said :f [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shads
theb0g
15:43 6/11/2002
and if it makes you have 35 fps constantly i wouldnt be bothered as that will f*** your bullet registration up nicely over the net [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
SorryBut
16:31 6/11/2002
Hell yea Havors, post those outraged comments. You paid your god damned £29.99 that summer of 1996, you deserve some better service.

Lets take a reality check for a moment, you're just a guy that plays a computer game, thats your contribution. You likely don't possess the slightest incline to what it takes to make a game, a cheat, an anticheat. Please tell me why you feel qualified to make snide remarks about any of the previous people. That £29.99 you paid 5 years ago?

Get your hard done by whimpering basket case to fu<k. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Dr_Evil^
16:47 6/11/2002
That picture proves that hacking noobs with s*** PCs play on UK2, nothing more. Could be an old pic but... Couple of the players were running but the guy at the back wasnt by the looks, might have just discharged his weapon (no pun). TBH until I see it for myself (im DLing new hacks for our PCW with N@S soon :P) cant say for sure. But the sound WH wouldnt take long to make cos all the code is there in OGC. There isnt much valve can do about sound WHs tbh imo. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
mnemonix
16:54 6/11/2002
Sorrybut pwns j00 guys :o
ph33r his englishing zkillz
[quote]sorrybut: i read the dictionary as a child[/quote]

gg valve, u bast***s. When this was in the beta stage like a month ago, it worked wonders and now that it's on all servers... we love you.

and btw entity wallhacks, I don't think these will exist for some reason. I have a 5.1 surround sound system, and it's impossible to determine exactly where a player is, only that player's general direction (maybe even his closeness, if such a word exists). Maybe im wrong, and maybe some h4x0r can turn the radar into a uber wallhack, radar - lol - I just contradicted my contibution. Oh well, I'll shut up now

good day. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Toomy
16:59 6/11/2002
the irony of it all. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
FELLA
17:44 6/11/2002
Sorrybut you are way off about Hav ... he knows lots about games ... seeing as he works for a games company.

Reveal yourself you chickens*** ... c'mon say something about me now ... I f***ing dare you.

Ooooh don't make me angry, you don't wanna see me when I'm angry.

I'll get Myers to show me your full IP 'cos me and him are bezzy mates. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Havors
18:07 6/11/2002
LOL not only r u a s***bag sorrybut, but your also and idiot! I work for a games company so i like to think ive got an idea about making games. :)

and whats all this about incline? you talking about wieght liftin? yeah i do incline.

And i payed £15 so smb.

Fetch him FELLA. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Havors
18:08 6/11/2002
keep diggin that hole Doc. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Psy^
xtreme9.uk
19:25 6/11/2002
It's a new pic (made after the wallhack block) and is an OpenGL wallhack. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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