Professional Gaming: Myths, Facts and Reality

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	Lithium 22:13 9/3/2003	I think alot of people are living in a dreamworld that is created by all of these "esports agencys" that have popped up. They promise the world but seem to deliver nothing more than dissapointment. I myself have had hundreds of sponsorship requests from clans eager to get somehwere. I have one that i got today, it went something like this : <person> lo do u do sponsorship <me> soz no (im sorry but im not in the habit of giving stuff away for jack) <person> comon man i know if we just get a server we can make it big, we just need to practise [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Lithium 22:17 9/3/2003	He then muttered something and seemed quite dissapointed, i kinda feel s*** because he was very nice and well mannered but this is life :) Im not having a poke at any specific "esports agency", but i dont think gaming is big enough in this country for organisations of this type. For the majority of clans making money is just NOT going to happen, even for the biggest of clans its not all peachy, its still very much a hobby in my opinion - because i dont think anyone is earning enough money to sustain themselves via gaming. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	St00piD Intrigue 22:20 9/3/2003	and yet it wont get bigger unless people put money into it [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Paul 22:27 9/3/2003	Well I'm not sure that the sport does not need an "agency" of some type, but teams do need help, no matter how big or small. Maybe esp started with the right goals but we soon realised that so much damage had been done to many of the potential sponsors and now they just will not support teams. So a slight rethink has been done and now many teams get help in one shape or another. The person asking for a server that Lithium mentioned was me (j/k), no that is typical of many pm's and emails I get, actually that one was prob better than most. The e-sport scene in relation to becomming a true sport or a pro sport is a way off, but some of us are in it for the long haul, like some teams are. Only time will tell what hand fate is going to deal our sport next! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Wlobban thed0n 22:31 9/3/2003	dont lie lith u like being mean to people [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Anisty 23:08 9/3/2003	great article myers [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 23:39 9/3/2003	What concerns me is companies springing up saying "We only take sponsorship requests from clans within x esports agency". It promotes monopolisation. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DooMeh Lite 01:08 10/3/2003	Title Author Rating Posted Type What is a Professional Gamer Myers 1 23:02 9/3/2003 Staff lol who was that? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	d0ly` 09:24 10/3/2003	in time, years most probably, esports will get bigger: with more people going broadband and with more [new] hardware companies aiming to earn a reputation, and the best way to achieve that is by sponsorship. look at F1, decades ago all the cars were in team colours and it wasnt a lot more than a hobby, just like cs is now. then the sponsorship orgy that followed made it into the billions-of-$-a-year sport. look at michelin, you all know that they produce high quality tyres, you wouldnt know that if there was no F1. maybe something similar will happen with esports... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Weebull 09:39 10/3/2003	Yeah, but F1 pretty much has the entire car industry to back it up, whereas the computer industry is a lot more fragmented. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	nicklearse Missing In Action 09:48 10/3/2003	F1 has very little of the actual car industry .. ie. GM (yanks) .. but then they have thier own motorcars with less technology so its not so boring ... hopefully TeG the most boring clan in the wrodl to watch will lose their sponsorship and become the p0rnstars they were born to be :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rav0r Croydon 10:50 10/3/2003	I'm ashamed at the fact that you did not get ex 4k Ste's point of view. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	w1cked^ Kirby-eSports 10:55 10/3/2003	ul ste [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	[4K^Luck1ng] 12:00 10/3/2003	the facts are: loads of big and small companys want to give money, in the hopes of getting into the massive gaming sector, however they know very little about online gaming, with top clans, lans ect. so the money gets held back or given to s***ty companys pretending to "help esports". With 1 note on the "pro" gamers bit. i am a pro golfer and yet i have made alot more money from cs than golf at present, so how am i not a pro gamer to ? =] Pro gaming is here and its only gunna bet bigger, sooner or later online gaming will go main stream and when this happens the large companys will know where to invest and the money will be massive. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 12:03 10/3/2003	p3n what ru on :o D: teg r quality, perry is a class player to watch in eyes ¬_¬ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 12:18 10/3/2003	it all depends on what the definition of a professional gamer is dan. As we argued yesterday :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 12:26 10/3/2003	The F1 analogy used in d0ly's context is a good one, but delving into the technical aspect is not too clever. 2 litre 800bhp engines do not relate to your average punter's Ford Mondeo :-) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	d0ly` 12:28 10/3/2003	exactly they know veyr little about gamers, and you'd probably find that where there are compnaies involv in gaming there is a 'gamer' within the company, someone who can influence the decision wether or not sponsorship will be given. for exmaple 4k, there's most probably someone within intel who happens to be a gamer and who knows the potential of investing in a top team. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	d0ly` 12:41 10/3/2003	just as intel's amd's nvidea's "super servers" don't compare to our 2ghz gaming machines (if your lucky) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	phonics 13:04 10/3/2003	pro·fes·sion·al ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-fsh-nl) n. A person following a profession, especially a learned profession. One who earns a living in a given or implied occupation: hired a professional to decorate the house. A skilled practitioner; an expert. adj. Of, relating to, engaged in, or suitable for a profession: lawyers, doctors, and other professional people. Conforming to the standards of a profession: professional behavior. Engaging in a given activity as a source of livelihood or as a career: a professional writer. Performed by persons receiving pay: professional football. Having or showing great skill; expert: a professional repair job. and so cs is one of the thousands of semi-pro sports. semi-pro semipro n : an athlete who plays for pay on a part-time basis [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 13:55 10/3/2003	hmm, interesting, so the difference between semi-professional, amateur, and professional? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	[4K^Luck1ng] 14:10 10/3/2003	if that is the case im a semi-pro golfer =] we are pro gamers it's as simple as that, weather people can see it is another matter =] [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	phonics 14:12 10/3/2003	u couldnt live of ure cs earnings alone and ure not an expert so that leaves u totaly out of it lucking. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 14:15 10/3/2003	how is he not an expert cs player? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	emfive 14:36 10/3/2003	In the same way that phonics is not an expert idiot [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	phonics 15:23 10/3/2003	for example, while emfive may suck cks very well and gets payed enough to live off sucking cks ; so he could be called a pro ck sucker but he is only very good and not a real expert ck sucker. Same with lucking and cs. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Geordie Last Chance 16:49 10/3/2003	hey guys i put the pro in professional ask me next time instead of some half assed losers! u know who im talking about! righty! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	emfive 17:42 10/3/2003	Next lan come up to my face and try and say that im not an expert c**k sucker, you'll be out of juice before you can say lickitysplit. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Del` Sniper's Alley 20:18 10/3/2003	Hi Phonics! Whats it like in dickhead land? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	phonics 23:05 10/3/2003	hey del , why is ure nose so brown ? Is it cos u cant think of a decent or witty responce that u have to stick ure head up other peoples asses ? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	phonics 23:06 10/3/2003	EDIT BUTTON FOR ME s***TY TYPING SKILLS plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	[4K^Luck1ng] 23:10 10/3/2003	always 1 mong typing crap about stuff he knows so little about [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 08:39 11/3/2003	Surely Dan is an expert in playing Counter-Strike for money, he's won countless tournaments and leagues with 4k. He's been around at the very top of uk cs for ages in 4k/ies/b***h, csa, PSi etc... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	phonics 13:31 11/3/2003	expert implies that u are at the top of ure field, being 100% honest , no matter how well uve done in the uk, there are a lot of better players elsewhere in the world (its possable to argue that u were an expert if the uk was the best cs nation in the world, but it obviously isnt). [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DooMeh Lite 15:15 11/3/2003	last time i looked on that rankings thing 4k were ranked as 10th in the world, that means they are amongst the top 50/60 gamers in the world, i would say that would class as an expert [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DooMeh Lite 19:50 11/3/2003	lol its just been updated to 8th :o [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	phonics 20:11 11/3/2003	thats anot official rankings, thats a subjective opinion pole more than an accurate one, if u actualy watch demos of all the top players, ull see they are a completely different class to lucking. 4k have been lucky in a way not to have to play some of the top clans in the cpl untill later rounds. There have been many good clans (some arguably better than 4k like team9) whove had bad luck and had to play eol sk 3d etc really early on. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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