UKTerrorist
Posted by Antmoo at 19:45 14/11/2004.
The UniCon Cup has now progressed into the KO stages, info below:
Knockout Stage
Qualified teams
Qualified teams
CAution! = 3 Wins
UniCon = 3 Wins
SUDDO.GAMER = 2 Wins - 1 Draw
e-TONK = 1 Win - 2 Draws
Team.Boheem = 2 Wins - 1 Loss
Moofins = 2 Wins - 1 LossQuarter Finals - de_cbble
QF1: e-TONK [16:04] Moofins
QF2: SUDDO.GAMER [05:16] Team.Boheem
Semi Finals - de_train
SF1: CAution! [16:04] e-TONK
SF2: UniCon [09:16] Team.Boheem
Final - de_nuke
CAution! [07:16] Team.Boheem
Team.Boheem win UniCon Cup 5!
Comments
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19:56 14/11/2004
Rage
20:09 14/11/2004
Croydon
20:10 14/11/2004
20:20 14/11/2004
20:20 14/11/2004
contact!
20:28 14/11/2004
20:38 14/11/2004
contact!
20:47 14/11/2004
21:17 14/11/2004
intensiveSports
21:19 14/11/2004
oh well
:E [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Rage
21:19 14/11/2004
21:30 14/11/2004
BLACKLiGHT
21:35 14/11/2004
contact!
21:39 14/11/2004
Fair enough, just seems a little silly to use round difference to seed teams when most of the wins were by large margins, and almost no games were played out for the whole 30 rounds :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
21:45 14/11/2004
BLACKLiGHT
21:52 14/11/2004
RemOte.uK
21:55 14/11/2004
Rage
21:56 14/11/2004
RemOte.uK
21:56 14/11/2004
Not very business like
INDY KISSED ME! i think it was my red hair that did it. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ForsakeN
22:34 14/11/2004
22:34 14/11/2004
contact!
22:36 14/11/2004
Don't think you quite understood the point I was making :) What reason is there to make 2 teams who qualified from the same group play each other in a single elimination format? CAution and UniCon both had 3 wins each - it would have made more sense IMO to have CAution vs Boheem and UniCon vs e-TONK in the semi-finals. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
BLACKLiGHT
22:38 14/11/2004
intensiveSports
22:42 14/11/2004
RemOte.uK
22:44 14/11/2004
topic to ctx + indy win unicon cup yo!!!! wp bres!!! 16-7 final vs caution.
pretty sure team.boheem won ;) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
reSonance
22:47 14/11/2004
WP Boheem, and UL CAution! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate
22:48 14/11/2004
I quite like the rivalry between these 2 teams (cau/ctx)
Makes these lans more interesting! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Rush!
22:50 14/11/2004
22:56 14/11/2004
22:57 14/11/2004
23:04 14/11/2004
23:09 14/11/2004
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23:17 14/11/2004
Sniper's Alley
23:27 14/11/2004
Thought you were going to lose going into the game, but very impressive performance. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Intrigue
23:30 14/11/2004
Suddo was a team made few mintues before group started so wasnt too bad overall
played ctx :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
RemOte.uK
23:30 14/11/2004
Croydon
23:40 14/11/2004
ul CAu, at least kronic turned up :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
euthanasia
23:42 14/11/2004
euthanasia
23:51 14/11/2004
good to see all the usuals again, and get knocked out of another competition by ctx - in two unicon cups we've played them 4 times now :(
wp ctx and sandstorm [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
23:55 14/11/2004
oh good game to everyone who we played, was another great event, nice to see some familiar faces! and some new ones :)~~
anyway, this guy kicked off on the train and hit his g/f so toko punched him! gj [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
euthanasia
00:02 15/11/2004
enamor
00:07 15/11/2004
Rage
00:07 15/11/2004
euthanasia
00:14 15/11/2004
00:15 15/11/2004
euthanasia
00:19 15/11/2004
ForsakeN
00:26 15/11/2004
nice to see all the people from unicon/remote/moofins/suddo/etonk/scee/harmless and caution. thanks to ctx for letting me play, really good day out. and we got paintball tickets - get me.
would really urge people to get up/down to unicon, it's not half as bad as people make out.
GG's everyone! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
RemOte.uK
00:38 15/11/2004
contact!
00:46 15/11/2004
RemOte.uK
00:54 15/11/2004
ForsakeN
01:17 15/11/2004
im a legend, unicon webby says so d00ds! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
01:31 15/11/2004
01:53 15/11/2004
Good game to all those we played. Nice to see the usual faces again. Big thanks to Indy for filling in on relatively short notice, really well played yo.
Nice to see the other ctx fellas too, keep bein' weak. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
02:04 15/11/2004
#thkillerz
02:48 15/11/2004
wp rain mh indy and co :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ForsakeN
08:07 15/11/2004
for me personally i was kinda bored , i'm sure our 16-14 match on mill was exciting for the 3 people on hltv but i was more interested about getting home and seeing the man utd game which i unbelievably missed (bad move). was good to see the usual faces though
can't argue though it's the first lan at unicon i've not enjoyed myself, wp to ctx.indy altho rain, don't deny what i said to you ;DDD ya kno it's true
most disturbing comment of the day award goes to indy, and i quote:
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Rage
08:12 15/11/2004
pld boheem, and ul uc and SUDDO.GAMER !!! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
08:13 15/11/2004
good lan wp ctx + indy [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
RemOte.uK
08:24 15/11/2004
RemOte.uK
09:20 15/11/2004
MINEEEEEEE.
MINE.
MINE!!!!!!!!!
MINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEE
I GOT IT, MINNNNNNNE
gotta love im tho [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
2seXeh 2perfoRm
10:36 15/11/2004
23:55 14/11/2004
anyway, this guy kicked off on the train and hit his g/f so toko punched him! gj
really? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
RemOte.uK
13:14 15/11/2004
euthanasia
13:52 15/11/2004
16:15 15/11/2004
16:36 15/11/2004
quintessential
16:52 15/11/2004
More alcohol required at the next one i reckon :P
SUDDO.GAMER will be back :P
ALL HAIL SUDDO! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Landed
17:14 15/11/2004
Didnt like the fact that you can hear what each other are saying through, it was either that or there would have been screening going on :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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18:05 15/11/2004
double elims plz :D :D :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
19:40 15/11/2004
quintessential
20:04 15/11/2004
00:48 16/11/2004
The fixtures for the final games had been laid out before the teams had played their groups. With P1 and P2 going straight into the respective semi-finals and the remaining four setup for the quarter finals as P3 v P5 and P4 v P6.
From this point either of the teams could have won their QF and in this case P4 beat P6 as would be expected, P3 however lost to P5, this then left P4 v P1 and P5 v P2.
As a note about the seeding, CAution! were the top performing team and received the highest seed from the group stage. This meant that they then had to win just one game to guarantee a place in the final. Teem.Boheem received a low seed and had to play two games against higher seeded opponents to reach the final but the extra playing time gained on the way would probably have helped them be more prepared when the final arrived.
Back to the main point, the actual teams which would qualify in the various positions was not known when the fixtures were created. We could not control how people qualified, such as e-TONK who came in higher than Teem.Boheem because of their unusual record of two draws and one win.
If UniCon and Teem.Boheem had reached a draw in their group game, both would have seeded higher in the tables - with a draw and two wins each - and the rounds lost in the other two games would have been the only remaining decider - because of the 16 rounds win rule and no overtime - the rounds won would be identical.
This can be best illustrated by example, a quick adjustment of the figures based on this one game gives us the following top four instead.
P1: CAution! 3/0/0/48/6/9
P2: SUDDO.GAMER 2/1/0/47/22/8
P3: UniCon 2/1/0/47/24/8
P4: Team.Boheem 2/1/0/47/27/8
With this arrangement UniCon and CAution! would have met at the SF and a final with uC and T.B would have been a possible outcome. A surprising twist here as the performance of SUDDO.GAMER would have been better than both UniCon and Teem.Boheem.
Had we told UniCon to ease up and only shoot them in the legs after 15 rounds then maybe we could have determined the outcome?
This also is pretty impossible to guarantee as the following possible scenario shows. Had Moofins and CAution! reached a draw in their group A game, not an unlikely event considering their other results in the group, the following top four would have been the amazing result.
P1: Moofins 2/1/0/47/19/8
P2: CAution! 2/1/0/47/21/8
P3: SUDDO.GAMER 2/1/0/47/22/8
P4: UniCon 2/1/0/47/24/8
With this interesting arrangement leaving Moofins clearly the top performing team losing the least rounds overall. Also five of the top six teams now have identical records in terms of Wins/Losses/Draws and Rounds Won.
In the unlikely but possible outcome of any of these teams having lost the same rounds as well, we would have played a short tiebreaker game using overtime rules.
As you can see just one or two different results will vastly change the look of the final table and therefore we cannot avoid teams playing someone they have played, it is dependant on a number of factors. They will however be seeded fairly, with their performances on the day determining the games they then have to play to win the competition.
I probably should have written a column instead of a comment but nvm. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ForsakeN
01:08 16/11/2004
enamor
01:15 16/11/2004
RemOte.uK
01:45 16/11/2004
01:48 16/11/2004
euthanasia
10:23 16/11/2004
euthanasia
12:28 16/11/2004
20:22 16/11/2004
In the case of this competition, two points for a draw and three for a win makes two draws worth more than a win. With your suggested one point system the following qualification table would have been produced. It would not have affected the actual teams which qualified.
P1: CAution! 3/0/0/48/6/9
P2: UniCon 3/0/0/48/15/9
P3: SUDDO.GAMER 2/1/0/47/22/7
P4: Team.Boheem 2/0/1/38/28/6
P5: Moofins 2/0/1/32/20/6
P6: e-TONK 1/2/0/46/33/5
Using this scoring system, e-TONK would have been the lowest seed for the knockout stage. Note a draw is now worth just one-third of a win making it much less attractive, while still being better than losing a game.
Another option would be a 2/1 points system, making two draws the same as one win. This would be somewhere in between the other two systems, producing the following results.
P1: CAution! 3/0/0/48/6/6
P2: UniCon 3/0/0/48/15/6
P3: SUDDO.GAMER 2/1/0/47/22/5
P4: e-TONK 1/2/0/46/33/4
P5: Team.Boheem 2/0/1/38/28/4
P6: Moofins 2/0/1/32/20/4
e-TONK still gain a higher place because they have won more rounds despite having the same points as both the lower teams. However the rounds would become more important as the difference in points between winning/losing/drawing are now much less.
Some sports leagues award 3/2/1 for a win/score draw/no-score draw to encourage action in the games, it being better to get 1 and concede 1 than to never score or lose a goal. In CounterStrike it is impossible to have a no-score draw however other scoring systems could be used which might award points for bombs planted/defused or other such complicated schemes. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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