Team CSGN

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	mebR 19:58 25/6/2005	gl, i guess your active again then! ;-] excuse my ignorance, but who is dazz? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MadSpunk Last Chance 19:59 25/6/2005	manager, and Song is back in our roster :o [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	InF Puk Kai 20:01 25/6/2005	Best of luck hopefully will be a good move! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ShekkyBoy 20:02 25/6/2005	Will you be allowed to compete in CSGN itself? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	mebR 20:02 25/6/2005	ooh, thnx :P post is updated now anyways! so now i just look silly :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	FK 20:03 25/6/2005	init ;) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	m\|ke Team-Creative 20:04 25/6/2005	gl but you should of stayed as Last Chance, merging always ends up in a balls up [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	georgeda 20:17 25/6/2005	s t u p i d [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	excite_ 20:20 25/6/2005	bet its gonna fold in about a month, then another month later LC will reform AGAIN. Oh well, gl, prove me wrong. Team CounterStrike Gaming Network, nice ring to it ¬__¬ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Weebull 20:22 25/6/2005	Will they not be competing in CSGN's leagues any more, or are they looking forward to the endless accusations of bias and favouritism? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	monkE euthanasia 20:26 25/6/2005	gl guys xD [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	seik 20:26 25/6/2005	In the current eSports climate of increased professionalism, and moving towards standards, contracts so and so forth, doest it not represent a clear and distinct conflict of interest a league sponsoring a single team? Almost like a LAN organisation sponsoring a team eh?!?!?!?! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 20:33 25/6/2005	Before I begin, I like both LastChance and CSGN a lot, both are nice and reliable guys. But this merger just seems kinda pointless and a very bad idea. The basic principle behind the formation of our own gaming team is the continual theme of giving back to the UK gaming community Well, I can't see how rebranding possibly the 2nd best CS team in the UK under your own banner is giving something back to the community, it seems more like the opposite to me. I just can't see how either benefit that much. Both organisations have been around for a long time and neither has managed to gain the level of sponsorship required to send a team to foreign events, if CSGN suddenly manage to get intel/ati/abit/microsoft/whoever to sponsor them, will the first priority be to put some prize money into the leagues so teams take part in the future? Or spend it on the staff so they can work harder on the leagues and thus more teams in future? Or spend it on the team to compete at international events when, and forgive me for saying, they'll be lucky to win more than a game or two. To quote both Sean and Obsidian in the csgn statement: As many people know, we were unable to to find a sponsor that would provide us help to travel abroad to foreign events, which is something we all wanted to do due to our passion for the game and motivation to be one of the top teams around. Firstly, It is important to note that this is not a sponsorship project. Do LastChance need a controlling organisation? Then we have the "bias" issue all over again. I don't want to sound aggressive, i'm just curious for either obsidian or sean to tell us exactly how each organisation benefits from this merger? And have they considered the short/long term pros/cons of it all? The statement isn't too clear. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Stono 20:42 25/6/2005	myres pm me on irc for a chat! i just typed a masssssive reply and it diddnt work so cba to start over, ill answer any questions u have via pm mate. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 20:44 25/6/2005	i don't really use IRC anymore, and the port is blocked from this location, i'll send my msn via a message your way. Or just type out the massive reply again, i meant my comment to be as a discussion point for everyone rather than just me and you :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	kirdi Last Chance 20:51 25/6/2005	Without dabbing into the sponsorship/bias issue, I can see two clear advantages to this merger. lc will finally have a strong management team behind the team. This has been an obvious and significant weakness for the clan throughout their existance and with the stability of CSGN through the past six seasons of the league, we have seen the organisation of both the admins and the owners shine, which will obviously benefit lc. CSGN on the other hand gets arguably the 2nd best clan in the UK under their banner. This is obviously a huge promotion opportunity to their name if the team performs both on a domestic and international stage. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Roar^ 20:52 25/6/2005	If you press back then add comment, your message comes back sometimes. On firefox anyway ;/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MadSpunk Last Chance 20:53 25/6/2005	Spot on kirdi :o You're the best! :x [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Krispy 20:55 25/6/2005	f***ing tea boy chris. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ColdAsIce ImaGine 21:07 25/6/2005	Thing is I dont see how csgn needs any extra promotion within the UK. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 21:10 25/6/2005	kirdi you just re-iterated the statement. Ok, strong management team, that already has a high work load now has a CS team to look after. How does that benefit LC specifically? will they get sponsorships, what are the tasks that they will be doing? ? it seems both groups are banding the words "organisation" and "management" around without any real benefit to either. Now your second point, CSGN gets arguably the 2nd best team in the UK. Huge promotional opportunity? how? Everyone that attends UK LAN events have already heard of CSGN and thus made up their minds whether or not to compete in it. Then if the team performs badly at a LAN event wont it then reflect badly upon the league? And what if the team goes to an internatinoal event? Or better put, what if CSGN eventually manages to get a budget and then opt to spend some of that budget not on prize money to attract the top teams, but to send their own team to an international event where they'll be unlikely to garner much media attention. Yet what if they do perform well on the international stage, and get the international "promotion", is foreign teams entering CSGN something that the league wants? has it analyzed these "markets" or and decided, right! we want to get more international teams involved with our leagues? If that's the case why not find an 'above average' european cs team to brand under it's banner, at least then you get a lot of exposure in a different country. Still not seeing the benefits here kirdi. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ColdAsIce ImaGine 21:11 25/6/2005	Myers can you run another UKT Lan please :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 21:14 25/6/2005	Might have a few things on the go this summer, but the UKT LANs were quite a lot of effort and just waiting for one or two LAN centres to open at the moment. Not sure they'd be as popular as they used to be now either. Besides ColdAsIce, i had to get a life sooner or later! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	LEEZER 21:15 25/6/2005	csgn dont need a team at all, the uk scene is so dire because most people dont give a s* cos theres nothing worth winning in uk cs lans. someone needs to run a lan that has a good prize pot instead of s*ty ass prizes. teams will pay 30 quid a player or something if theres gonna be a big prize fund. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ColdAsIce ImaGine 21:15 25/6/2005	Sell out Myers ;( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ColdAsIce ImaGine 21:16 25/6/2005	Not only that leezer but more than 2 games minimum. Maybe held over two days or w/e [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 21:17 25/6/2005	No they wont leezer, i24 had a £1000 prize yet not many attended that. 95% of teams know they wont win anyway, they pay the money for the experience and the competition, raising the cost to £30 per player so the top players can win more wont attract more teams/players. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Jazzy Jebus Rage 21:17 25/6/2005	Ok, strong management team, that already has a high work load now has a CS team to look after. How does that benefit LC specifically? Thought the whole point of taking on the team was that they now had the time and means to do so. Like it says in the statement However, due to the maturity that CSGN had attained through the hard of many support staff over the past 3 years, we are now in a position to announce that we have indeed taken this initiative off ice, and set it into motion. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Stevenson 21:17 25/6/2005	i agree :( UKT lans were amazing. Even though i only went to UKT-Rejects i still enjoyed it! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ColdAsIce ImaGine 21:20 25/6/2005	Although if you spread the prizes out myers. So prizes that are almost as good for 2nd, 3rd then it gives the others teams hope :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	brenje reSonance 21:20 25/6/2005	I gotta say that i agree 100% with Myers, and that i've personally seen too many of these mergers come along and all ended in tears. I personally hope that CSGN, given the opportunity, will opt to send Lastchance abroad and that's what they mean when refairing to 'giving something back to the community'. I honestly dont think that CSGN can substantially gain anything from this, other than the respect and gratitude of the Lastchance players and the community members that still care enough. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 21:20 25/6/2005	we didn't have a UKT-Rejects LAN!, we euphemised the s*** out of it to UKT-Overload. That was an awesome name :) Jazzy, valid point, yet it still doesn't answer the question as to what LC will benefit from this "strong management team" that with a manager and cl already they didn't have beforehand. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ColdAsIce ImaGine 21:22 25/6/2005	The great thing about overload was you got to stay on the one PC the whole day :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Jeppo Last Chance 21:22 25/6/2005	Best of luck to the Lastchance team :) Personally I cannot see how this is relly worth it but im sure both parties have there reasons! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 21:23 25/6/2005	yeh, same concept as UKT-X, only we had a few technical problems at that one :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	brenje reSonance 21:23 25/6/2005	That wasnt so great if you're bloody PC kept over heating and then crashing in the middle of games matey! ;D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Stevenson 21:24 25/6/2005	I'm surprised you didnt put that pc through the wall bren :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 21:25 25/6/2005	then you should've bribed me not to put you in the "Sauna". [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 21:26 25/6/2005	hey martyn u busy this summer? can throw some LAN work your way if you're free? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	brenje reSonance 21:26 25/6/2005	lol, we actually were'nt in there! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Jazzy Jebus Rage 21:28 25/6/2005	Yeh I see how it doesn't answer what the management team will give them that they didn't have before. Hopefully someone behind this merger will tell us. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	LEEZER 21:28 25/6/2005	yea myers but 1,000 aint that much when its like 80 quid to enter and the lan is like 3 days long so u need to buy alot of food , drink etc while ur there. gonna have like 50 quid profit. aint worth it.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	R1ck 21:29 25/6/2005	The fact is a strong management team means nothing. Players only get managers so they don't have to do anything themselves. I am 17 and I could land a big sponsors just as much as anyone else could with the right team behind them. If Lastchance have a strong management team behind them why take DaZzA. This is just something new that will fold soon. It was completly pointless and I agree with Myers 100% [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 21:30 25/6/2005	true Leezer, but i still believe teams attend LAN events for the competition rather than the prizes. Actually, for the best part of the UKT series...teams were competing for points. I remember the expression on MM's faces, after they'd flown over from Ireland and won UKT 4..."congratulations, you've won 12 points!" "can we exchange that for money?" "no" [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ColdAsIce ImaGine 21:31 25/6/2005	Who was the clan that attended an i-event to win it thinking it would give them UKT points? then cried when you said no :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 21:32 25/6/2005	lol, lets put the theory to the test Leezer, lets sell UKT LAN points on ebay! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	LEEZER 21:45 25/6/2005	hahaha i can see that, back then cs wasnt the game it is now tho. everyone wants to be "pro" and win s***. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	func euthanasia 23:07 25/6/2005	How about if a lan that's not part of the i-series had a large pot.. Back to the subject at hand, I agree with Myers. Personally, the CSGN staff seem stretched enough as it is dealing with the league... what happened to that, by the way? There are hundreds of teams who have been denied access to the league, several times, because of the it's structure and the fact that, if it were carried out on any sort of larger scale would be plagued by even more staff issues. So why is it what you go and get your own gaming team, for publicity? So you can have more teams waiting several seasons until they eventually get a space in it.. Maybe you should focus on the teams that are still trying to get into division 4, rather than trying to attract yet more teams in to the fray. All this merger seems like is a change of names for LC and another burden for the CSGN staff. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 23:10 25/6/2005	How about if a lan that's not part of the i-series had a large pot.. i-series attract 800+ gamers and more media attention than most other LAN events could help to. Thus why they have the huge pot. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	LeesoN 23:25 25/6/2005	song is an active player now? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Headshot^Man` Disturbed 23:29 25/6/2005	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 21:23 25/6/2005 yeh, same concept as UKT-X, only we had a few technical problems at that one :P LOL you can say that again, me and Geordie chasing you down the street for our cash back!!! Although Disturbed > clanONE @ quake3 Disturbed > mm @ fifa2003 Disturbed > Harmless @ MoH CLASSIC UKT LAN!!! :D:D:D:D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 23:55 25/6/2005	and you asked for your money back after that? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Headshot^Man` Disturbed 00:01 26/6/2005	haha yeah remember!!! :D You tried your best anyway, wasn't your fault! :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	oldlady 00:25 26/6/2005	I think this will last about as long as lc.landed. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	NeonCraze Viva La Resistance 00:31 26/6/2005	myers the thousand pound thing at i-series is a one off, i25 prize is once a gain a pat on the back and a peice of paper ;D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	LozZA` Last Chance 00:56 26/6/2005	Bing! Bang! Bong! Return of the Kwong [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Valar` The Anti-DoZ 00:57 26/6/2005	myers discovered women ;-) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Eagle 01:02 26/6/2005	the i24 £1000 prize thing is silly, cause the price to enter is like £100 anyway, so you only get £100 back which is probably what you'd spend on food and drink there anyway [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 01:05 26/6/2005	nah Valar, just got a uni-speed inet connection = greater res porn! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	danceM 01:39 26/6/2005	Myers, are the acon5 birmingham qualy HLTVs in existance somewhere? :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	daveeee 02:01 26/6/2005	Is Dazz that bloke who used to play with #cs-marines??? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obsidian 03:14 26/6/2005	Hi [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Highlander 03:39 26/6/2005	gl Guys espec. zakwin <3 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ct-R 04:33 26/6/2005	Seems it's almost time for me to write a dragging column about the situation of UK e-sports.and what the future beholds. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Joka 05:06 26/6/2005	I don't even want to go into the dicussion I had with Stono but basically I have come to the conclusion that he is clueless and I really do hope for CSGN's (LC) sake that he is not too much involved with the team. He is clearly inexperienced as he didnt have the slightest idea in what a sponsor was looking for! (apparently site popularity/users/unique hits that are extremely low won't affect a sponsors decision to sponsor a team) I really don't understand how they can say they now finally have a decent management team behind them which is ridiculous. But in all fairness, I hope it does work out for lc as they are a good bunch of guys and deserve to get somewhere. I see this as a set back until further notice! (I hope CSGN management can prove me wrong) See you at CPL Winter CSGN? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Joka 05:10 26/6/2005	Oh yeah and R1ck, you pull major sponsors? NEVERRRR, not without me pal :D:D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Choke\|MaT Choke 09:44 26/6/2005	Myers, i24 had a $1k prize cos it was a sponsored tourney. Multiplay didnt put up the money. Not many people went because it was right in the middle of exam time, otherwise it would have been 1000 people again. I think this merger is a bit silly and pointless though tbh. Also throws up issues if the last chance team conflict one of their matches. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 10:28 26/6/2005	In all fairness, companies look for exposure in the thousands and above if they're going to invest money. Will this help both of you reach thousands that you never could before? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ogg^ #Harmless 10:57 26/6/2005	nn indy u will be missed :[ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	georgeda 11:54 26/6/2005	for once, i agree with myers entirely.. not a smart move on LC's part.. we'll have to see how long this lasts :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Coopsy Landed 12:21 26/6/2005	I'm kinda confused who benefits from this move. I dont see how CSGN benefits (in the same we do from having our CS and WC3 teams) from this, and therefore, I can only assume the only benefit to all parties is a proper management team for LC. By accepting this move, LC have lost their own brand which with the addition of a management team of their own, would have allowed them to approach and talk to sponsors themselves.. Surely CSGN's first concern is looking at why a lot of teams in the UK refuse to take part in its league and to fix those issues rather than spending time on a cs team? Will there not be a point in the future that when chatting to sponsors, and any amount of money or hardware becomes available that there will be a 'should this be league prizes or should we give this to the cs team?' kind of argument.. ? I hope LC gain management experience from this, and when the inevitable comes of either the league going further downhill due to the team getting priority with hardware/funding and time (or indeed vice versa that the league gets better and LC arent properly serviced), that LC can go back to doing things themselves, with this new added experience. That said, gl to both parties :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Coopsy Landed 12:22 26/6/2005	MaT out of interest; who did provide that £1000 for the tournament at multiplay? :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 12:32 26/6/2005	Not many people went because it was right in the middle of exam time I stick to my argument that large cash prizes are less important than the competition for attracting teams to LAN events. I held UKT 3 (for points prizes!) at this time two years ago, and had over 100 clan applications. What I believe LC should have done is begin looking elsewhere for sponsorships. What they need to find, in my opinion, is someone from the gaming scene presently doing a marketing or similar degree, and then make it very clear that that person gets 10% of whatever sponsorship he can secure for the team + travel with them to LAN events from that budget. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Coopsy Landed 12:43 26/6/2005	Richard darling, I agree with you as always apart from you cannot compare £1000 prizes for tournaments in 2005 with UKT points 2 years ago.. The level of interest and commitment in the UK is, I believe, at an all time low. Ultimately if this CSGN move puts LC back into competitive play, with any luck will also spur other teams (perhaps my own) to compete more and may revive something of this rather dilapidated community. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Champion In The Zone 12:49 26/6/2005	though if another ukt lan was to be held, im sure it would attract a great load of intrest again ;) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Coopsy Landed 12:52 26/6/2005	I'd love to think so... But would it? If Richyboy here ran another UKT with no prizes, you're telling me your team would spend 5xtravel and accomodation to go ? I really would love to think so but I'm not sure :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	brenje reSonance 12:57 26/6/2005	It was totaly different then though, most people (myself included) just wanted to go for the fun and experience of meeting up with their friends. Also you have to take into consideration, the diversity of team's around then and the attitude of the average joe gamer. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Stevenson 12:58 26/6/2005	Even with average prizes at a UKT lan im pretty sure people would attend. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 12:58 26/6/2005	Landed threatened me with legal proceedings so I was forced to edit this thread! [Edited by Myers at 13:04 26/6/2005] [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Coopsy Landed 12:59 26/6/2005	average prizes isnt no prizes ;) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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	mebR 19:58 25/6/2005	gl, i guess your active again then! ;-] excuse my ignorance, but who is dazz? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MadSpunk Last Chance 19:59 25/6/2005	manager, and Song is back in our roster :o [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	InF Puk Kai 20:01 25/6/2005	Best of luck hopefully will be a good move! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ShekkyBoy 20:02 25/6/2005	Will you be allowed to compete in CSGN itself? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	mebR 20:02 25/6/2005	ooh, thnx :P post is updated now anyways! so now i just look silly :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	FK 20:03 25/6/2005	init ;) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	m\|ke Team-Creative 20:04 25/6/2005	gl but you should of stayed as Last Chance, merging always ends up in a balls up [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	georgeda 20:17 25/6/2005	s t u p i d [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	excite_ 20:20 25/6/2005	bet its gonna fold in about a month, then another month later LC will reform AGAIN. Oh well, gl, prove me wrong. Team CounterStrike Gaming Network, nice ring to it ¬__¬ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Weebull 20:22 25/6/2005	Will they not be competing in CSGN's leagues any more, or are they looking forward to the endless accusations of bias and favouritism? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	monkE euthanasia 20:26 25/6/2005	gl guys xD [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	seik 20:26 25/6/2005	In the current eSports climate of increased professionalism, and moving towards standards, contracts so and so forth, doest it not represent a clear and distinct conflict of interest a league sponsoring a single team? Almost like a LAN organisation sponsoring a team eh?!?!?!?! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 20:33 25/6/2005	Before I begin, I like both LastChance and CSGN a lot, both are nice and reliable guys. But this merger just seems kinda pointless and a very bad idea. The basic principle behind the formation of our own gaming team is the continual theme of giving back to the UK gaming community Well, I can't see how rebranding possibly the 2nd best CS team in the UK under your own banner is giving something back to the community, it seems more like the opposite to me. I just can't see how either benefit that much. Both organisations have been around for a long time and neither has managed to gain the level of sponsorship required to send a team to foreign events, if CSGN suddenly manage to get intel/ati/abit/microsoft/whoever to sponsor them, will the first priority be to put some prize money into the leagues so teams take part in the future? Or spend it on the staff so they can work harder on the leagues and thus more teams in future? Or spend it on the team to compete at international events when, and forgive me for saying, they'll be lucky to win more than a game or two. To quote both Sean and Obsidian in the csgn statement: As many people know, we were unable to to find a sponsor that would provide us help to travel abroad to foreign events, which is something we all wanted to do due to our passion for the game and motivation to be one of the top teams around. Firstly, It is important to note that this is not a sponsorship project. Do LastChance need a controlling organisation? Then we have the "bias" issue all over again. I don't want to sound aggressive, i'm just curious for either obsidian or sean to tell us exactly how each organisation benefits from this merger? And have they considered the short/long term pros/cons of it all? The statement isn't too clear. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Stono 20:42 25/6/2005	myres pm me on irc for a chat! i just typed a masssssive reply and it diddnt work so cba to start over, ill answer any questions u have via pm mate. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 20:44 25/6/2005	i don't really use IRC anymore, and the port is blocked from this location, i'll send my msn via a message your way. Or just type out the massive reply again, i meant my comment to be as a discussion point for everyone rather than just me and you :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	kirdi Last Chance 20:51 25/6/2005	Without dabbing into the sponsorship/bias issue, I can see two clear advantages to this merger. lc will finally have a strong management team behind the team. This has been an obvious and significant weakness for the clan throughout their existance and with the stability of CSGN through the past six seasons of the league, we have seen the organisation of both the admins and the owners shine, which will obviously benefit lc. CSGN on the other hand gets arguably the 2nd best clan in the UK under their banner. This is obviously a huge promotion opportunity to their name if the team performs both on a domestic and international stage. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Roar^ 20:52 25/6/2005	If you press back then add comment, your message comes back sometimes. On firefox anyway ;/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MadSpunk Last Chance 20:53 25/6/2005	Spot on kirdi :o You're the best! :x [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Krispy 20:55 25/6/2005	f***ing tea boy chris. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ColdAsIce ImaGine 21:07 25/6/2005	Thing is I dont see how csgn needs any extra promotion within the UK. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 21:10 25/6/2005	kirdi you just re-iterated the statement. Ok, strong management team, that already has a high work load now has a CS team to look after. How does that benefit LC specifically? will they get sponsorships, what are the tasks that they will be doing? ? it seems both groups are banding the words "organisation" and "management" around without any real benefit to either. Now your second point, CSGN gets arguably the 2nd best team in the UK. Huge promotional opportunity? how? Everyone that attends UK LAN events have already heard of CSGN and thus made up their minds whether or not to compete in it. Then if the team performs badly at a LAN event wont it then reflect badly upon the league? And what if the team goes to an internatinoal event? Or better put, what if CSGN eventually manages to get a budget and then opt to spend some of that budget not on prize money to attract the top teams, but to send their own team to an international event where they'll be unlikely to garner much media attention. Yet what if they do perform well on the international stage, and get the international "promotion", is foreign teams entering CSGN something that the league wants? has it analyzed these "markets" or and decided, right! we want to get more international teams involved with our leagues? If that's the case why not find an 'above average' european cs team to brand under it's banner, at least then you get a lot of exposure in a different country. Still not seeing the benefits here kirdi. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ColdAsIce ImaGine 21:11 25/6/2005	Myers can you run another UKT Lan please :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 21:14 25/6/2005	Might have a few things on the go this summer, but the UKT LANs were quite a lot of effort and just waiting for one or two LAN centres to open at the moment. Not sure they'd be as popular as they used to be now either. Besides ColdAsIce, i had to get a life sooner or later! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	LEEZER 21:15 25/6/2005	csgn dont need a team at all, the uk scene is so dire because most people dont give a s* cos theres nothing worth winning in uk cs lans. someone needs to run a lan that has a good prize pot instead of s*ty ass prizes. teams will pay 30 quid a player or something if theres gonna be a big prize fund. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ColdAsIce ImaGine 21:15 25/6/2005	Sell out Myers ;( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ColdAsIce ImaGine 21:16 25/6/2005	Not only that leezer but more than 2 games minimum. Maybe held over two days or w/e [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 21:17 25/6/2005	No they wont leezer, i24 had a £1000 prize yet not many attended that. 95% of teams know they wont win anyway, they pay the money for the experience and the competition, raising the cost to £30 per player so the top players can win more wont attract more teams/players. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Jazzy Jebus Rage 21:17 25/6/2005	Ok, strong management team, that already has a high work load now has a CS team to look after. How does that benefit LC specifically? Thought the whole point of taking on the team was that they now had the time and means to do so. Like it says in the statement However, due to the maturity that CSGN had attained through the hard of many support staff over the past 3 years, we are now in a position to announce that we have indeed taken this initiative off ice, and set it into motion. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Stevenson 21:17 25/6/2005	i agree :( UKT lans were amazing. Even though i only went to UKT-Rejects i still enjoyed it! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ColdAsIce ImaGine 21:20 25/6/2005	Although if you spread the prizes out myers. So prizes that are almost as good for 2nd, 3rd then it gives the others teams hope :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	brenje reSonance 21:20 25/6/2005	I gotta say that i agree 100% with Myers, and that i've personally seen too many of these mergers come along and all ended in tears. I personally hope that CSGN, given the opportunity, will opt to send Lastchance abroad and that's what they mean when refairing to 'giving something back to the community'. I honestly dont think that CSGN can substantially gain anything from this, other than the respect and gratitude of the Lastchance players and the community members that still care enough. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 21:20 25/6/2005	we didn't have a UKT-Rejects LAN!, we euphemised the s*** out of it to UKT-Overload. That was an awesome name :) Jazzy, valid point, yet it still doesn't answer the question as to what LC will benefit from this "strong management team" that with a manager and cl already they didn't have beforehand. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ColdAsIce ImaGine 21:22 25/6/2005	The great thing about overload was you got to stay on the one PC the whole day :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Jeppo Last Chance 21:22 25/6/2005	Best of luck to the Lastchance team :) Personally I cannot see how this is relly worth it but im sure both parties have there reasons! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 21:23 25/6/2005	yeh, same concept as UKT-X, only we had a few technical problems at that one :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	brenje reSonance 21:23 25/6/2005	That wasnt so great if you're bloody PC kept over heating and then crashing in the middle of games matey! ;D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Stevenson 21:24 25/6/2005	I'm surprised you didnt put that pc through the wall bren :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 21:25 25/6/2005	then you should've bribed me not to put you in the "Sauna". [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 21:26 25/6/2005	hey martyn u busy this summer? can throw some LAN work your way if you're free? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	brenje reSonance 21:26 25/6/2005	lol, we actually were'nt in there! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Jazzy Jebus Rage 21:28 25/6/2005	Yeh I see how it doesn't answer what the management team will give them that they didn't have before. Hopefully someone behind this merger will tell us. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	LEEZER 21:28 25/6/2005	yea myers but 1,000 aint that much when its like 80 quid to enter and the lan is like 3 days long so u need to buy alot of food , drink etc while ur there. gonna have like 50 quid profit. aint worth it.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	R1ck 21:29 25/6/2005	The fact is a strong management team means nothing. Players only get managers so they don't have to do anything themselves. I am 17 and I could land a big sponsors just as much as anyone else could with the right team behind them. If Lastchance have a strong management team behind them why take DaZzA. This is just something new that will fold soon. It was completly pointless and I agree with Myers 100% [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 21:30 25/6/2005	true Leezer, but i still believe teams attend LAN events for the competition rather than the prizes. Actually, for the best part of the UKT series...teams were competing for points. I remember the expression on MM's faces, after they'd flown over from Ireland and won UKT 4..."congratulations, you've won 12 points!" "can we exchange that for money?" "no" [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ColdAsIce ImaGine 21:31 25/6/2005	Who was the clan that attended an i-event to win it thinking it would give them UKT points? then cried when you said no :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 21:32 25/6/2005	lol, lets put the theory to the test Leezer, lets sell UKT LAN points on ebay! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	LEEZER 21:45 25/6/2005	hahaha i can see that, back then cs wasnt the game it is now tho. everyone wants to be "pro" and win s***. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	func euthanasia 23:07 25/6/2005	How about if a lan that's not part of the i-series had a large pot.. Back to the subject at hand, I agree with Myers. Personally, the CSGN staff seem stretched enough as it is dealing with the league... what happened to that, by the way? There are hundreds of teams who have been denied access to the league, several times, because of the it's structure and the fact that, if it were carried out on any sort of larger scale would be plagued by even more staff issues. So why is it what you go and get your own gaming team, for publicity? So you can have more teams waiting several seasons until they eventually get a space in it.. Maybe you should focus on the teams that are still trying to get into division 4, rather than trying to attract yet more teams in to the fray. All this merger seems like is a change of names for LC and another burden for the CSGN staff. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 23:10 25/6/2005	How about if a lan that's not part of the i-series had a large pot.. i-series attract 800+ gamers and more media attention than most other LAN events could help to. Thus why they have the huge pot. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	LeesoN 23:25 25/6/2005	song is an active player now? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Headshot^Man` Disturbed 23:29 25/6/2005	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 21:23 25/6/2005 yeh, same concept as UKT-X, only we had a few technical problems at that one :P LOL you can say that again, me and Geordie chasing you down the street for our cash back!!! Although Disturbed > clanONE @ quake3 Disturbed > mm @ fifa2003 Disturbed > Harmless @ MoH CLASSIC UKT LAN!!! :D:D:D:D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 23:55 25/6/2005	and you asked for your money back after that? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Headshot^Man` Disturbed 00:01 26/6/2005	haha yeah remember!!! :D You tried your best anyway, wasn't your fault! :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	oldlady 00:25 26/6/2005	I think this will last about as long as lc.landed. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	NeonCraze Viva La Resistance 00:31 26/6/2005	myers the thousand pound thing at i-series is a one off, i25 prize is once a gain a pat on the back and a peice of paper ;D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	LozZA` Last Chance 00:56 26/6/2005	Bing! Bang! Bong! Return of the Kwong [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Valar` The Anti-DoZ 00:57 26/6/2005	myers discovered women ;-) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Eagle 01:02 26/6/2005	the i24 £1000 prize thing is silly, cause the price to enter is like £100 anyway, so you only get £100 back which is probably what you'd spend on food and drink there anyway [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 01:05 26/6/2005	nah Valar, just got a uni-speed inet connection = greater res porn! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	danceM 01:39 26/6/2005	Myers, are the acon5 birmingham qualy HLTVs in existance somewhere? :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	daveeee 02:01 26/6/2005	Is Dazz that bloke who used to play with #cs-marines??? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obsidian 03:14 26/6/2005	Hi [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Highlander 03:39 26/6/2005	gl Guys espec. zakwin <3 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ct-R 04:33 26/6/2005	Seems it's almost time for me to write a dragging column about the situation of UK e-sports.and what the future beholds. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Joka 05:06 26/6/2005	I don't even want to go into the dicussion I had with Stono but basically I have come to the conclusion that he is clueless and I really do hope for CSGN's (LC) sake that he is not too much involved with the team. He is clearly inexperienced as he didnt have the slightest idea in what a sponsor was looking for! (apparently site popularity/users/unique hits that are extremely low won't affect a sponsors decision to sponsor a team) I really don't understand how they can say they now finally have a decent management team behind them which is ridiculous. But in all fairness, I hope it does work out for lc as they are a good bunch of guys and deserve to get somewhere. I see this as a set back until further notice! (I hope CSGN management can prove me wrong) See you at CPL Winter CSGN? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Joka 05:10 26/6/2005	Oh yeah and R1ck, you pull major sponsors? NEVERRRR, not without me pal :D:D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Choke\|MaT Choke 09:44 26/6/2005	Myers, i24 had a $1k prize cos it was a sponsored tourney. Multiplay didnt put up the money. Not many people went because it was right in the middle of exam time, otherwise it would have been 1000 people again. I think this merger is a bit silly and pointless though tbh. Also throws up issues if the last chance team conflict one of their matches. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 10:28 26/6/2005	In all fairness, companies look for exposure in the thousands and above if they're going to invest money. Will this help both of you reach thousands that you never could before? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ogg^ #Harmless 10:57 26/6/2005	nn indy u will be missed :[ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	georgeda 11:54 26/6/2005	for once, i agree with myers entirely.. not a smart move on LC's part.. we'll have to see how long this lasts :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Coopsy Landed 12:21 26/6/2005	I'm kinda confused who benefits from this move. I dont see how CSGN benefits (in the same we do from having our CS and WC3 teams) from this, and therefore, I can only assume the only benefit to all parties is a proper management team for LC. By accepting this move, LC have lost their own brand which with the addition of a management team of their own, would have allowed them to approach and talk to sponsors themselves.. Surely CSGN's first concern is looking at why a lot of teams in the UK refuse to take part in its league and to fix those issues rather than spending time on a cs team? Will there not be a point in the future that when chatting to sponsors, and any amount of money or hardware becomes available that there will be a 'should this be league prizes or should we give this to the cs team?' kind of argument.. ? I hope LC gain management experience from this, and when the inevitable comes of either the league going further downhill due to the team getting priority with hardware/funding and time (or indeed vice versa that the league gets better and LC arent properly serviced), that LC can go back to doing things themselves, with this new added experience. That said, gl to both parties :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Coopsy Landed 12:22 26/6/2005	MaT out of interest; who did provide that £1000 for the tournament at multiplay? :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 12:32 26/6/2005	Not many people went because it was right in the middle of exam time I stick to my argument that large cash prizes are less important than the competition for attracting teams to LAN events. I held UKT 3 (for points prizes!) at this time two years ago, and had over 100 clan applications. What I believe LC should have done is begin looking elsewhere for sponsorships. What they need to find, in my opinion, is someone from the gaming scene presently doing a marketing or similar degree, and then make it very clear that that person gets 10% of whatever sponsorship he can secure for the team + travel with them to LAN events from that budget. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Coopsy Landed 12:43 26/6/2005	Richard darling, I agree with you as always apart from you cannot compare £1000 prizes for tournaments in 2005 with UKT points 2 years ago.. The level of interest and commitment in the UK is, I believe, at an all time low. Ultimately if this CSGN move puts LC back into competitive play, with any luck will also spur other teams (perhaps my own) to compete more and may revive something of this rather dilapidated community. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Champion In The Zone 12:49 26/6/2005	though if another ukt lan was to be held, im sure it would attract a great load of intrest again ;) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Coopsy Landed 12:52 26/6/2005	I'd love to think so... But would it? If Richyboy here ran another UKT with no prizes, you're telling me your team would spend 5xtravel and accomodation to go ? I really would love to think so but I'm not sure :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	brenje reSonance 12:57 26/6/2005	It was totaly different then though, most people (myself included) just wanted to go for the fun and experience of meeting up with their friends. Also you have to take into consideration, the diversity of team's around then and the attitude of the average joe gamer. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Stevenson 12:58 26/6/2005	Even with average prizes at a UKT lan im pretty sure people would attend. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 12:58 26/6/2005	Landed threatened me with legal proceedings so I was forced to edit this thread! [Edited by Myers at 13:04 26/6/2005] [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Coopsy Landed 12:59 26/6/2005	average prizes isnt no prizes ;) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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