CS Pro-Mode

Posted by Del` at 20:13 3/4/2004.

An excellent column has been written by DoZ calling for the creation of a pro-mode for CS, either by a server-side mod or otherwise. This would include changes such as less random recoil, and faster weapon switching.

I feel this is an issue which is close to what the UKT community stands for, and perhaps our support may well give it some weight.

You can read the column here. The author DoZ had this to say:

The points I listed aren't a definitive list, just the start of a pool of ideas.

Ultimately, the only way any official change will come about is by public support being behind the idea, not the specifics. If you feel that you would like to see a return to a less random and faster paced counterstrike, you're encouraged to spread the word about the article or paste it on to other sites and see what can be achieved.

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TaMiLTiGeR
20:02 3/4/2004
dat doz is a homo [ Score: 0, pointless | Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Offspr1ng
20:03 3/4/2004
truistic news post eh [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
cobbeh
fluid element
20:07 3/4/2004
doz-away i want ur babies [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
TaMiLTiGeR
20:08 3/4/2004
doz is an 3l33tist t**t [ Score: -1, abusive | Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Otis
Rush!
20:10 3/4/2004
So the point of this news post is?

Significantly more than your life is worth [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
TaMiLTiGeR
20:11 3/4/2004
ditto otis! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
TaMiLTiGeR
20:12 3/4/2004
btw otis i want ur sister, send me pics asap [ Score: 0, offtopic | Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Del`
Sniper's Alley
20:13 3/4/2004

(This was an automated post)

An excellent column has been written by DoZ calling for the creation of a pro-mode for CS, either by a server-side mod or otherwise. This would include changes such as less random recoil, and faster weapon switching.

I feel this is an issue which is close to what the UKT community stands for, and perhaps our support may well give it some weight.

You can read the column here. The author DoZ had this to say:

The points I listed aren't a definitive list, just the start of a pool of ideas.

Ultimately, the only way any official change will come about is by public support being behind the idea, not the specifics. If you feel that you would like to see a return to a less random and faster paced counterstrike, you're encouraged to spread the word about the article or paste it on to other sites and see what can be achieved.

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Combatsheep
20:14 3/4/2004
<3 Doz [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Del`
Sniper's Alley
20:18 3/4/2004
Point is, if there's a post like this on the front page, more people will see it, not everyone who visits automatically looks at the columns - and other CS sites will be more likely to link to the article, particularly if UKT readers spread the word.

Because personally I'd like to see this become reality, not stay just an idea. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Otis
Rush!
20:19 3/4/2004
Did Dorian send you that picture TT? I sincerely hope he didnt! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
20:23 3/4/2004
I haven't sent it to anyone, but TT has pestered me to after a brief, but anatomically accurate description.

Actually I lie, I didn't even give a description. I was just saying how us doing a sister swap would be a fair trade ;-) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
duck.
Online Multiplayer Gaming
20:41 3/4/2004
Really good idea n1 doz and finally a productive comment from del, keep it up! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Magic^
20:47 3/4/2004
this would be amazing ... there were rumbling a while back about the CPL creating their own game

i think this would be a more worthwhile project for them [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Pikaflu
Kabuki Mono
20:53 3/4/2004
Non random recoil = puppies!! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Dizzee
20:53 3/4/2004
would be good, nice ideas doz [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
SmEe
mHm
20:59 3/4/2004
stfu, design a game where i win regardless of who its vs. or their skill... that would be fun, [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
mebR
20:59 3/4/2004
no, it will split the community to have a pro mode. the reason cs is so big is that anyone can play it. ive been told that the reason teh quake community died out was the introduction of a pro mode - or somethng along those lines.

either way, the changes sound fair enough - they would probably be good, but making a pro mode will destroy the community imo. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Magic^
21:07 3/4/2004
everyones allowed to be wrong mebR

we forgive you [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
TaMiLTiGeR
21:34 3/4/2004
otis send me now [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
N3M-
endeffect
22:11 3/4/2004
I brought this idea up this up about a year ago. Guess you gotta be in the circle for recognition. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
funky
22:12 3/4/2004
COOL [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Del`
Sniper's Alley
22:55 3/4/2004
Quake 3's community was split because there are 2 competing pro-modes, and also a much smaller percentage of the Q3 community are noobs.

CS wouldn't have these problems. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Sm[o][o]th
23:01 3/4/2004
Well if someone can succesfully make this pro-mode im all for it taking over CS.

But the BEST outcome would be if Valve themselves made the changes, so the alreay dying community wasnt split in 2.

Tbh, just make a pro CS mod for HL2 instead of wasting time on the current game :x [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
yates
23:09 3/4/2004
the banana warrior makes the front page! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Mango
00:39 4/4/2004
It isn't about recognition though is it. It's about making the game better, whatever you did before N3M, you have played a part in the emergence of the idea into the scene's public conciousness, be glad for that. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
emfive
03:07 4/4/2004
You brought this idea up? I swear reading that 1.5 or 1.6 would bring in a pro mode (made by valve) ages ago. Might of been cz or an earlier version, this completly died out though. Think it was pure CS?

Mixed bag on what was said for me =] [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
StriKeN
unicon.cs
03:37 4/4/2004
yeah this idea has come up before a few times [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
StriKeN
unicon.cs
03:39 4/4/2004
but until someone actually goes ahead and makes it then this column will ride off into the sunset like the other times its been mentioned in the past.

I'm all for it though. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
08:49 4/4/2004
n3m, countless people have brought it up, but it tends not to move along from being comments that are semi-related to the latest steam or cs update.

I just pooled lots of peoples ideas together in one place, as the newspost says. Apart from the HLTV, everything else I have seen said in one way or another by other people.

Ultimately it's just a nice idea. Valve have been told about it, they have the opportunity to read it and see what they think. If, ultimately, it's not something they want to do then at least part of it can be achieved coding it through adminmod or amx and the likes. Sure, those wouldn't be ideal, but it'd be a step in the right direction.

None of it is plain impossible to do, even completely remaking the radar can be done. It's included in plenty of cheats. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
messeh
deliverance
09:27 4/4/2004
http://files.filefront.com/2211401

this cs classic runs thro steam as a third party game; same idea could be used for this if someone other than valve were needed/willing to do it. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
PFCalcio
THX
10:14 4/4/2004
CS NAtion have published the article - and this is one of the comments:

This guy just sounds like someone who wants to kill everyone in one shot and hop around the map. wtf?!

And he has to be a moron to call COD realistic.

-dp-
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DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
10:37 4/4/2004
That's ok, most of them have only half read the article (at best) as is pretty apparent from their comments ;-) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
PFCalcio
THX
10:53 4/4/2004
I'd say a moron is someone who puts their initials at the bottom of a post when it's written on the left anyway. :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Mew
ClanNEW
11:49 4/4/2004
lol the randomness [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
kelleh
12:13 4/4/2004
"but until someone actually goes ahead and makes it then this column will ride off into the sunset like the other times its been mentioned in the past.
I'm all for it though
"

that's what i can't understand. cpma was introduced because q3 became too 'newbie friendly', and with the general opinion seems to be that this has happened to cs too - so why hasn't anyone sat down and made this mod already? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Magic^
12:18 4/4/2004
another one to add to the list

let us remove the gun model ! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
messeh
deliverance
12:23 4/4/2004
option to do that on hl toolz i think magic :) altho it aint a simple cmd no more ¬_¬ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Magic^
13:07 4/4/2004
yea but r_drawviewmodel 0 is blocked by VAC so you cant really use it anymore as its deemed cheating [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
bomber
endeffect
13:15 4/4/2004
Magic^ : in the clanbase files section, you can dl "High FPS Weapon Models 1.1" which are in r_drawviewmodel 0. But you can still hear the loading sounds. The cb cups allow them. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Mouldeh
13:38 4/4/2004
bollocks.

pro mod my arse

why segregate the "pros" even more? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Magic^
13:44 4/4/2004
segregate ?

nothing to do with that .... beginners will be able to play the pro mode aswell you know ... its just a version of CS that will rely more heavily on aim and skill than vanilla cs [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Del`
Sniper's Alley
14:44 4/4/2004
If it was a server-side mod, it wouldn't segregate the community any more than WC3 etc do at the moment.

Messeh, that CS classic is ok, but since it's a different mod it WOULD segregate the community. We need something with no download needed. Also since that is based on an old version of CS there's no HLTV etc, and all sorts of cheats work with no way of stopping them. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Otis
Rush!
14:48 4/4/2004
TT, she's in the Oxford University 2005/2006 prospectus several times

Order yourself a copy ;-) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
15:08 4/4/2004
Several times? I demand the extra pics! ;-) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
N3M-
endeffect
15:40 4/4/2004
Understand DoZ <<<

But no offense to UKT..but I dont think valve really care to absorb the comments from a UK community website, where their greatests newsposts are mostly fueled by massive amounts of flame and prejudice :/ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Black Cat^
15:44 4/4/2004
all very well having this idea for a pro-mode but posting it on UKT isn't going to give valve a slap ... post on some of the larger CS sites and try to get a few cpl clans behind you.

Basically pro mode is v1.3 with some bug fixes and a few extra's? ;) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
N3M-
endeffect
15:45 4/4/2004
Really, i could kill you right now.. ;O) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Del`
Sniper's Alley
15:56 4/4/2004
Yep Black Cat, I'm doing my best, have got it posted on sogamed now.

But I don't have the contacts to do anything more, if you are interested in this, try and spread the word. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Black Cat^
17:55 4/4/2004
i've thought about it abit more Del` and i dont agree with the pro-mode ..... i guess all we can do is think back to the good old days of 1.3 :)

Think of the other 90% of the CS community who play for fun, dont care about this pro gaming nonsense...they like the game for what it is.

Read the comments from csnation, they seem to be ripping it apart. http://www.csnation.net/comments.php?id=7064

... and besides, as somebody rightfully points out. CS is going to die soon, with the imminent arrival of HL2 (fingers crossed) im sure a CS2 will be in development, it wouldn't be worth the time or money.

And who's to say there won't be a mod for HL2 that out-shines CS? CS could die for good and be replaced by another mod created by somebody other than valve. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
18:04 4/4/2004
Your 90% figure is totally ficticious, and irrelevant. Those who do not wish to play would not have to.

To reverse the psychology, it's selfish of them to wish a game upon the rest of us where there's a large random factor as opposed to one where that random factor is reduced. This is a game, not a lottery.

There could well be a HL2 mod that arrives and is better than cs, but it's not here now and we know what release dates are like. Don't expect it in the near future.

CS2 may come along. So? Does that mean it's going to be better, or it's going to drag everyone across to it? Not in the slightest.

The people "ripping" it to pieces are mostly using the segregation of the community as a reason not to, which shows how little of the article they actually read. There are no constructive crticisms as to why the random factor of the game should undenaibly stay [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Del`
Sniper's Alley
18:53 4/4/2004
Yes, the people who are making those comments on csnation are the same sort of people who make posts on forumplanet asking for "3 HE grenades per player, and they should kill outright". IE clueless noobs who've been playing since 1.5 and think their opinion is qualified. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Del`
Sniper's Alley
18:54 4/4/2004
I was thinking we should make a thread on the AMXmod forums, asking for people who would be interested in making a pro-mode. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Coopsy
Landed
19:41 4/4/2004
tbh, wouldnt be able to 'drop' money be cool too.. interesting twists on eco rounds where 1 guy is more well off and can maybe buy an awp or something... like a button that drops money in $100 blocks..

Tis an idea the AceRimmer came up with.. frankly I think it'd be groovy.. altho need some play testing ;) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
20:20 4/4/2004
Get someone with ak + armour of the pistol round that way ;-) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Smittins
21:03 4/4/2004
Jesus, if people aren't gonna bother reading the article properly don't bother commenting, your opinion is worthless. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
miz7
reaL1ty
21:26 4/4/2004
i agree. CSPM would be a good idea. i recently started playing CPM over q3 due to more "old school" movement and weapons options and would really like to see a similar mod for CS. failing that, just play beta5. =] [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
N3M-
endeffect
21:48 4/4/2004
the cs mod for hl2 is looking WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY into the future and tbh i dont think the hl2 engine will have the same feel as the hl1 engine :/ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
yates
02:34 5/4/2004
it does have the same feel [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Del`
Sniper's Alley
02:45 5/4/2004
I'm expecting CS2 to be s***, it'll be just like CS is now but with better graphics, and probably s*** walking with more bobbing.

I think it's going to take someone designing a CS style game specifically to be skill based (like quakeworld was) before we see a decent game. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Coopsy
Landed
13:35 5/4/2004
<3 quakeworld [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Detonator
22:27 5/4/2004
First of all, I f***ing love you DoZ for bringing this up. This pro mode would be perfect. Ever since CS 1.4 the game hasn't been the same and it's about time some of us done something about it to get our beloved CS back to the game it is supposed to be. Now I've been messing about with Steam and found a way of getting CS 1.3 to actually run in it. What if I was to say I have created a little package that lets you play CS 1.3 in Steam without it affecting your CS 1.6. Today I actually got pod bot running and I had a little game of 1.3 in steam. I could create this little package and release it to the public. The file size would be around 100 meg as its basically 1.3 but with a few modifications so it runs it steam. What do you think guys? Could I go ahead and release this or would Valve try to sue me or something, I dunno... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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