Pro Mode To Become A Reality?

Posted by arsen at 16:47 18/5/2004.

Most of you reading will remember a column posted a while back by DoZ entitled "Pro-Mode CS", well it appears a computer science student from Tennessee has taken it on himself to develop such a mod.

He believes the recent changes forced upon us by Valve are not good for the competitive side of the game and is determined to 'turn back the clock' on certain aspects of CS.

Below is an extract from a post on teamnoa.net:

This concept revolves around the competitive gamer, featuring modes suitable for official matches, tournaments or cups. Many of the features are taken from CS 1.3, so I suppose this group of gamers also happens to think 1.3 was the best thing to happen to counter-strike. Here is a short list of proposals made by the team:
  • 1.1/1.0 style bhopping
  • 1.3 hitboxes
  • 1.5/1.6 first-person spec
  • no new guns
  • 1.3 bullet strength in each gun
  • 1.5 scoping (no barrel)
  • 1.3 fast walking
  • 1.6 minmodels command
  • 1.3 showscores
  • 1.1 voice comm
  • 1.3 smokes
  • no dynamic crosshair

As of yet, no release date has been revealed, but you can keep up-to-date and get in touch with the relevant people by visiting #cspro on GameSurge.

It appears to me that the community is divided over such a modification, so it will be very interesting to see the reaction to this news, and even more so to see if the project succeeds.

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Roar^
16:50 18/5/2004		 Er, 1.3 hitboxes are s***? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
bagz
16:50 18/5/2004		 i saw the error in the title arsen :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
arsen
Head Arse
UKTerrorist
16:52 18/5/2004		 Wasn't my fault!

alphas coding is s***e!

Headlines f*** up if they begin with "

;) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Exocet
RemOte.uK
16:53 18/5/2004		 bet it will be pants.. but gl to him [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Dizzee
16:56 18/5/2004		 and you think that because of what Exocet? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ablation
contact!
16:57 18/5/2004		 Can't remember what 1.1 voice comms was like, but I don't think it's got worse since :S I prefer 1.6 smokes to the 1.3 ones, but I guess the combination of fast smokes & fast walking might be overly effective for fakes. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
hihi
zebras
16:58 18/5/2004		 1.3 smokse are crap :o [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Toomy
16:59 18/5/2004		 some weird changes [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
KaM
17:00 18/5/2004		 bhopping with 1.3 hitboxes, a sterling combination no doubt! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Samurai
Irish Connection.UK
17:01 18/5/2004		 !¬ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Venomous
BLACKLiGHT
17:01 18/5/2004		 1.3 boxes are worse than they are now, (except that gay turning bug), and the 1.3 smoke sucked! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ProdiGy
17:02 18/5/2004
1.1/1.0 style bhopping

Nothing better than alittle speed [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
NukleuZ
Black Death Warriors
17:03 18/5/2004		 looks alright, apart from the old smokes.. also its nice to have galil / famas when ur short on cash. what about the bomb plant time and the way Ts dont get cash if they time out a round? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Venomous
BLACKLiGHT
17:05 18/5/2004		 if the CPL dont use it, most people wont change, thats just the way it is :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
MINS
17:05 18/5/2004		 BunnyHopping Competative in CS?

Maybe for Q3/CPMA/PainKiller

But CS its just a comedy Show.
lol [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Genics
thed0n
17:06 18/5/2004		 back in 1.3 the hitboxes didnt seem so bad due to configing. 1.3 hitboxes with the locked netcode is f***ing awfull [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
KaM
17:07 18/5/2004		 not every1 configged you CHEATER [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
tanjo
17:08 18/5/2004		 Why no dynamic crosshair , how could the option of being dynamic or not be a major flaw in the game ? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Thuggie`
Croydon
17:08 18/5/2004		 should be a lot of comments on this! Some changes seem a little strange to say the least, should stick with 1.6 smokes even tho they kill a lot of peoples fps they have suddenly become a very tactical and important part of the game. 1.6 hit boxes are a lot better than the 1.3 ones, had a hugeee head box, once valve fix the recent hitbox problem they should be easily good enough for a pro version of cs! In-game comms! who actually still uses them? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
NukleuZ
Black Death Warriors
17:10 18/5/2004		 really doubt if leagues like clanbase will use this instead of the current cs tbh [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
17:16 18/5/2004		 Don't worry I told them to read the 2nd version of my article and worship me and listen to me and pay attention to me and and and and and! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
WidoWMakeR
#The.ChoseN
17:17 18/5/2004		 he forgot 1.3 cheating with no vac [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Tazzle
17:18 18/5/2004		 KaM the man with standards, refused to learn how to bunnyhop because it was 'gay' <3 [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
17:19 18/5/2004		 Whereas Midnight just swore a silent vow to circumcise everyone who bh'd ;-) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ablation
contact!
17:23 18/5/2004
In-game comms! who actually still uses them?

Lots of ppl, just normally not online (unless they're preparing for the CPL etc - no ghosting). [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Jexa
17:23 18/5/2004		 1.3 smokes makes baby jesus cry [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Andeh
17:23 18/5/2004		 theres already a 1.3 mod out already? Its not supported by valve - cheating will be rampant - it will never take off. Play 1.6, or cs will die. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
SFAL^Sarge
Viva la!
17:23 18/5/2004		 dunno why anyone bothers, apart from smoke FPS i think 1.6 is best version of CS, netcode wise its superior.

only thing i would change though is the jumping cause i think the game needs to be that little bit "faster" [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
rknZ
17:24 18/5/2004		 what a piece of crap lol.

hopefully valve stick to a deadline for once, and HL2 is out by september and we can forget about all this crap.

CS:Source 4 WIN! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
callous
Specster
17:25 18/5/2004		 he forgot 1.3 cheaters 8( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ablation
contact!
17:25 18/5/2004
theres already a 1.3 mod out already? Its not supported by valve - cheating will be rampant - it will never take off. Play 1.6, or cs will die.

Thanks, that's 150% of my RDA of idiocy :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
MonkH
17:29 18/5/2004		 i want my ex_interp 0.05 back :( put that in the mod plz ! and all the other cfg commands from 1.5 ty [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Scrappy
Sniper's Alley
17:30 18/5/2004		 Would he legally be allowed to modifiy and release his version of CS? Surely it's all copyrighted stuff. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Longo-old
suiGeneris
17:30 18/5/2004		 no point its not gona be played properly in pcws and s*** [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Magic^
17:30 18/5/2004		 waste of time making this with cs: source on the way [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Pimpboy
feo
17:32 18/5/2004		 1.3 smoke :( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
-Naz-
fightclubclan
17:32 18/5/2004		 i dont think this is a good idea. When i advocated the pro-cs idea, i had in mind that it would be run via steam, and using a lot more of the latest and future valve patches. This just seems like another 1.3 spin off that will have less players than painkiller. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Seaweed
17:35 18/5/2004		 sounds like the guy has no clue what he's doing, i doubt we'll ever see this released. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
HeaDBulB
17:41 18/5/2004		 the dynamic crosshair is an option whats the point in removing it?

1.3 smokes? what are they thinking [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
dL
Atari.Crew
17:48 18/5/2004		 the old jumping with no slowing down will be a bit rediculous in a competitive game, will just make it like every other game around.. UT2k4 etc.

old smokes were poo, old hitboxes were poo'ish (depending on if you config'd)

gogogadgetSOURCE! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Exocet
RemOte.uK
17:50 18/5/2004		 i completely agree with sarge. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
predje
17:50 18/5/2004		 terrible idea, worst thing u can do is to seperate the community at this stage.Anyway i seriously doubt it will take off.And 1.3 bunnyhopping..pff...people bouncing around like spastics.I agree that cs needs to be more dynamic and entertaining to grow and become even more popular...dunno why some people seem to think jumping around spraying is the way to go :/ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
hihi
zebras
17:50 18/5/2004		 1.3 bullet strength would turn the glock back into a water pistol D: [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
r3n
Team-kill
17:54 18/5/2004		 w00t cant wait. get rid of f***ing awp scope lag and bring back viewscores from 1.5 (easy to mute those foreign f***s and retarded 5yr olds who seem to think that every1 wants to hear their redition of the latest britney spears song) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
miz7
reaL1ty
17:55 18/5/2004		 look forward to it [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
vert
17:56 18/5/2004		 why 1.3 smokes? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
TsN|Hoo
17:57 18/5/2004		 I have a feeling that nobody is going to play this. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Exocet
RemOte.uK
18:00 18/5/2004		 because dizzee, i've looked at what hes putting in this mod and it'll just be a 'cut n shut' of a load of different versions that he thinks will make the game better but actually most of the stuff hes putting in will make cs worse.

1.6 may have its faults but its a damn sight better than that. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
sicKboy
got:Game
18:02 18/5/2004		 why are people so against the new CS. fair enough it takes getting used to but thats the name of the game! newer versions have been coming out for years! Thats what makes the game so popular, the changes being made in it all the time. deal with it nubs! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
butters
18:03 18/5/2004		 Agree with some of the stuff but no dynamic crosshier and old smokes :(
Doubt it will take off tbh just a craze like the 1.3 mod avaible on steam still havent played it half as much as 1.6. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
LEEZER
18:03 18/5/2004		 wonder if xqz2 will work
if this happens the amount of cheaters will be a joke again [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Smittins
18:13 18/5/2004		 oh dear :(

none of the decent 1.6 stuff is being left in, a pro-mode needs to incorporate the good elements from different versions of cs [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
`NWA
18:17 18/5/2004		 why the hell would we want 1.3 hitboxes? They were worse than the 1.1 ones apart from the crouch against the wall model, you could shoot people in the stomach and get a headshot. 1.6 models are fine now they've fixed the model looking the other way bug. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
18:23 18/5/2004		 What community are you talking about there predje? Show me a global cs community and I'll be impressed [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
richeh
#thkillerz
18:31 18/5/2004		 why do i have the horible feeling the person making this mod is a whining n00bling.
Wanting pretty much everything that was bad about the game back into the game. It is fine, i'll be playing the valve version of cs i think [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Scam
18:31 18/5/2004		 Half of those ideas are s***.

- 1.3 smokes?
- No new guns?
- 1.3 hotboxes?

Err, why? The guy hasnt got a clue. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Alex-\
18:32 18/5/2004		 would just kill cs [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
muffin
The Incarnate
18:34 18/5/2004		 Probably won't be ready till the new CS arrives - in a few months? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
predje
18:36 18/5/2004		 the community that plays 1.6
dunno what ur question is driving at DoZ , but the 1.6 community.

? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Otis
Rush!
18:37 18/5/2004		 That's not a community you gibbon, thats a mass of individuals. Learn some english. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Farley
quintessential
18:37 18/5/2004		 ok, 1.3 bunnyhopping would be better
the new guns without the shield should be there
1.6 showscores is the best imo
and 1.3 smokes are useless? so leave them as 1.6
all hitboxes in have been w**k so not arsed what version they come from

but to be fair i don't think we need a cs pro-mode
i like 1.6 better than any other version, 1.3 feels horrible now, although it was great back then, playing it now is just nasty. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
RuLe|
18:38 18/5/2004		 s*** idea, look at the steam 1.3 aint really took off

people only go on it for abit of public fun

1.6 is best version imo jsut because im used to it [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
leon^
18:47 18/5/2004		 I'm all for a pro version of cs... IF IT ISNT w**k LIKE THIS IDEA

bye [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Wood
18:48 18/5/2004		 dont know why some peoper hate 1.6 so much, stop trying to change it. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
18:51 18/5/2004		 Stop being a mindless c*** and just accepting everything. Constructive criticism on everything is the only way forward for anything. The apathetic are a pathetic waste of space [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
TeeJay
19:11 18/5/2004		 Accept it DoZ, the community has changed along with the game. The majority of players that enjoyed the earlier style of cs have long since moved on to whatever. Leaving immature f***s, c***s and players hanging on to the hope of a better version behind.

This version probably won't be released nevermind become popular.

Just hope that cs:source is based on 1.0 code than the latest boredom, even if it is they will probably change it to be more newbie friendly.

..And PK MP just needs the physics removed and the community will do the rest. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
19:14 18/5/2004		 I don't mind letting 'em play 1.6, I just want them to engage some brain cells and say why ;-) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
brutal
The Next Generation
19:33 18/5/2004		 this will suck [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
fsk
twisted Reality
19:48 18/5/2004		 id rather play 1.6 for the fact that smokes, r smokes and not a couple puffs of crap, new guns aint bad, used cleverly can win eco's or semi eco's etc. The hitboxes in 1.3 were poor... wot a s*** idea, blame DoZ for starting all this tbh! die slag [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
20:50 18/5/2004		 Getting there! Free fruit for everyone who backs up what they say with reason! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Hollywood
20:55 18/5/2004		 I'm having more fun playing 1.6 atm that I ever did playing 1.5 [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Hollywood
20:56 18/5/2004		 and 1.3, 1.1 etc (i started in beta 4, while that was more fun it was bugged to s***) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
dhh
21:57 18/5/2004		 Sounds like a good idea to me, apart from 1.3 hitboxes. Not arsed about smoke, lose fps whatever they are so doesnt make much difference. I can get 8/9 bhops in 1.6 now though, doesnt really make you that much faster and its really hard to do but its fun for a while. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Abysmal
03:25 19/5/2004		 oh noz welcome to quake 3 [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Magic^
13:20 19/5/2004		 whats the odds the guy making this added all that 1.3 crap that no1 wants cause they let him use the code for CS1.3 on steam

lazy little faglet! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
arsen
Head Arse
UKTerrorist
13:39 19/5/2004		 5.2>6.0>1.3>1.6>1.5 [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Necroblob
17:30 19/5/2004		 arsen ur so wrong!..

well no bt 1.5 much much > 1.6 in its current state

all i hope is with the release of this gaining profile and the same for 1.3 classic, that valve will notice. never before have people been quite so angry with patches that the make completely new versions.

if cpl adopt it then great we have a playable version of cs, otherwise it wont take off but the more attention it gains the better [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
`NWA
17:53 19/5/2004		 * 1.1/1.0 style bhopping <= daft, why would we want bunnyhopping back in the game? It's stupid watching people bounce about a screen, why it may be better for some players, it won't be for more, and it definitely won't be better for spectators.
* 1.3 hitboxes <= even more daft, 1.3 hitboxes were the worst hitboxes I've played (started 1.1) bar the 1.1 crouch against wall bug.
* 1.5/1.6 first-person spec <= fair enough
* no new guns <= why? Galil and famas add an element to the game which is good.
* 1.3 bullet strength in each gun <= again why? What's wrong with the current bullet strength? Maybe aut sniper should be dumbed back down a little, though not as bad as it was.
* 1.5 scoping (no barrel) <= do we have a barrel in 1.6? I've not seen it.
* 1.3 fast walking <= Good idea, liked fast walk stopped rounds being so boring as eveyone "CPL"s around a map
* 1.6 minmodels command <= this was in 1.5 too, I have used it for ages.
* 1.3 showscores <= 1.5/1.6's are better imo, though this really is personal preference
* 1.1 voice comm <= 1.1 didn't have voice comms if i recall correctly, 1.3 was the first version to have them. What's the point in removing a great addition? Not like people are going to use ventrillo at LAN or something.
* 1.3 smokes <= You what? They're USELESS! 1.6 smokes are the best improvement in 1.6.
* no dynamic crosshair <= Doesn't affect me but it does quite a lot of people, what is wrong with using the dynamic xhair? Nothing surely so why take it out.

reasoned enough for you DoZ? ;-)

Pro mode could be good. But definitely, definitely NOT this pro mode. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
19:09 19/5/2004		 Yes, well reasoned enough and I agree with everything except that I'd like bh, though I can see why it shouldn't be in and I dislike each successive scoreboard!

Tourny mode would be great, jsut not how they wanna do it ;-) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
19:42 19/5/2004		 Infact I should change that to "yes, very well reasoned", lest people think I'm being dismissive! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]

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