New Poll - UKT Rankings

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	cobbeh fluid element 13:21 22/7/2003	I think that its very good at the moment, but i still think Savage should be included though as its still a pretty decent league/cup, but when thinking about theres not really too much that can be changed to it, nothing drastic anyway [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	cobbeh fluid element 13:23 22/7/2003	1 thing tho i just realised, clans should be deducted points for inactivity, because n@s havent exactly done anything recently from what ive seen, yet they are still in the top 20 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 13:24 22/7/2003	Savage league season 8 has just been added to the rankings today by the rankings man himself zeNi. I think you will never get a 100% perfect ranking system but this is very accurate and does reflect the scene as it stands. So long as it continues to do that i fail to see a problem. Little tweaks may be required here and there but appart from that... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	cobbeh fluid element 13:25 22/7/2003	exactly Dev, people are just being a tad bit too picky after zeni has spent a good while working on this each time big events come around [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Antmoo 13:25 22/7/2003	zeNi 12:45 22/7/03 (Hostname) Add tournament Name: Savage League Season 8 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	cobbeh fluid element 13:26 22/7/2003	:) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Loxam Lite 13:29 22/7/2003	I think the table is good atm, adjustments could be made such as lil images of the clans logo (UKT needs some colour :)). The table is new so it probably doesn't represent the levels in the lower portions, but at the top you can see that it has started to level out with the higher points, and eventually the whole table should reflect similar. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	alpha Da boss Inspired Gaming 13:30 22/7/2003	Yes, Savage League was added today before the poll was put up. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 13:30 22/7/2003	For the people who are voting 'no' or 'roughly but needs adjustments' please explain here why you think there are flaws so zeNi and the rest of the UKT staff have an idea. Maybe we can address the issues you have with the rankings. No flames are needed just constructive feedback :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	cobbeh fluid element 13:32 22/7/2003	yer i think maybe there should be more info of each of the clans, clan logo, information of there lineups and website, maybe some demos of the their clan that they want to add or something, just a thought :o [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Gilga 13:35 22/7/2003	WOHOO we got 12 points for winning savage leagues! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Toomy 13:36 22/7/2003	i voted no because it doesn't reflect the current uk scene. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Loxam Lite 13:36 22/7/2003	Have the clans linked to the profile and posts so people can be proud :) i.e. Loxam UniCon [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	alpha Da boss Inspired Gaming 13:37 22/7/2003	Toomy: ...because? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	cobbeh fluid element 13:38 22/7/2003	it does though, its all down to straight results not clans reputation [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Mr. Whippy Disposable Heroes 13:40 22/7/2003	I know it wont affect the ranking, but 4k got 26 points for coming 5th at ESWC and MM got 25 for winning UKT. Unless those points have come from other competitions as well it doesn't seem realistic really. Guess we can't put 4k too far ahead :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	cobbeh fluid element 13:44 22/7/2003	ESWC was a much bigger event so the points system would be different [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Toomy 13:45 22/7/2003	because rankings never portray a scene accurately, not much wrong with the system, apart from it could do with some sort of decay for clan's that haven't aquired points for say, 2 months. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Loxam Lite 13:45 22/7/2003	Does gotfrag? do it on just LAN's or online compo's too? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fez 13:45 22/7/2003	the i series should be removed as it isnt a serious LAN tournament, more of a fun gathering :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	cobbeh fluid element 13:46 22/7/2003	that what i said Toomy, clans should lose points over periods of time, maybe between each UKT lan or somethin, so the rankings are mostly the most active clans at the moment [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	alpha Da boss Inspired Gaming 13:51 22/7/2003	Clans don't lose points over time per se but they do get less points for older tournaments. I think the time period is a year, so MM get 25 points at the moment for winning UKT 4, but in a year's time it'll be a lot less. This is automatic. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Mr. Whippy Disposable Heroes 13:51 22/7/2003	Sorry that's what i meant Cobbeh, 4k should have got more points as i think it's a far greater achievement. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 13:57 22/7/2003	Loxam - click 'how are these rankings determined' underneath the rankings on gotFrag? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Endo Legend 14:02 22/7/2003	I personnally think that clans that have folded should be removed from the Rankings, plus i do not agree with the way that for example Xtra took on iM's points when they merged it doesn't seem a reflection of the true scene. At pressent... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Loxam Lite 14:04 22/7/2003	Thats quite,,, s*** ranking by gotfrag. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Endo Legend 14:04 22/7/2003	plus i agree wiv Toomy [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DooMeh Lite 14:06 22/7/2003	Does gotfrag? do it on just LAN's or online compo's too? gotfrag do it on certain people's opinion or something its hard to judge how many points should be given for online competitions compared to lans, how has zeni apporached it? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	nicklearse Missing In Action 14:21 22/7/2003	adjustments IMO : -there should be UKCS Local and UKCS Worldwide .. therefore the UK one would show the UK scene better without 4k owning it so much for their overseae acheivements .. and it would keep the smaller teams off the 'bigger picture' becos they may never compete at such a level notice use of may... they would obviously get added if they were to compete at such a level and perhaps have a total rankings for anyone whos 100 % pleased with current system -without taking a too obvious shot at DK's intelect teams should be 'fined' points for being anti social and bad sportsman ... (seriously) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	FELLA 14:37 22/7/2003	No-one cares what you think p3n because you and your s***e clan will never get on the rankings board. Also if you're going to slag someone's intellect off it would be wise to check your spelling ... Now go back to bed so daddy can abuse you some more ... I bet you love the summer holidays ... you, your daddy and little brother having a nice 3some bum session 24/7. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dirtydan 14:39 22/7/2003	have clanbase opencup div2 been added? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	A_BeAsT 14:48 22/7/2003	its a very good system, more tourneys u play in more points you should get but it does needs adjustments cos barcodes arnt top 8 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ExistenZ 14:54 22/7/2003	i think it doesnt rank a clans skill because some teams who play alot of events gain points and LOOK good, but some teams play only a few events and WIN them or come bloody close and are clearly better than the clans who played lots.... so it does need altering slightly.. maybe much more bias put on coming 3rd 2nd and 1st rather than LOTS of 8th places.. maybe it should be an average of ranks rather than points.. so 4k would be 1st still but some clan that comes 8-10th is ranked 8th - 10th no matter how many events they attended. where as if a clan went to 2 events and came 3rd there average would be 3rd.. so there placed 3rd. obviously this aint perfect but i think it would represent less active clans better. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Stu^ 14:58 22/7/2003	We didn't get iM's points when we moved over, we took our points with us [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nighty 15:08 22/7/2003	i series shouldnt be included its a p*** about lan not a serious 1 with decent competition. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 15:11 22/7/2003	gotfrag ask mental midgets like Thorin for their opinion, it can't be trusted anymore than a nine bob note [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Messiah Game2XS.Monkey Magic 15:11 22/7/2003	I think a system like Gotfrag's would be better [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Gryff 15:15 22/7/2003	How can a system based on results as far back as 12 months reflect the current scene. It can't. NEXT? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DK Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate 15:17 22/7/2003	p3n, penalising teams for bad sportmanship and behaviour?? Zeni must spend alot of his time sorting these ranking as much as possible. He can't f*ing go around asking the individual leagues if any of the clans have behaved bad!! Seriously though, you insult my intelligence in the same post as that ridiculous idea. You are fing retarded mate. Alos most of the clans in the rankings system have either been around for ages, or of an exceptional class. Talking about 4k/omg/mm ect here. So I'm sure they know how to behave in a game. Ask 90% of the teams who have played SCEE or the other teams ranked. Unlike you since you're a f**ing retard who needs his neck snapping like a diseased racing pigeon. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Gryff 15:18 22/7/2003	PS by that I mean using past results cannot reflect on a clans current ability. If all of omgs lineup left bar the CL and they recruited 4 uk2 newbies would they still be ranked the same? Lineups, teamplay, skill all change over time, imho gotfrag have got the most accurate system for how the scene looks NOW :-] [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Senilex 15:18 22/7/2003	I think its unfair as i16 wasnt included here. You say u didnt include points from it cause it was full of merc teams! Dont you think that its unfair on teams such as Barcodes and Team-X who are not merc teams at all and who came first and second. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obi Clan ONE 15:18 22/7/2003	i dont think online leagues shoudl really be included, because things are normally alot different on lan, and online cs means f*** all at the end of the day. Maybe include the EC and OC (btw why is OC included atm but not EC?). Should only really be down to lans tho i reckon, since thats all that really counts [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obi Clan ONE 15:20 22/7/2003	i think the cyberleagues one that dart said about the other day is probably the most accurate one, isnt just a standard number of points for a position in a lan, takes into account who u beat etc, an gives mroe points for betetr clans, far more accurate, also this doesnt include online leagues afaik apart from EC and OC [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Shaw 15:21 22/7/2003	cause eurocup aint finished [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 15:21 22/7/2003	barcodes were a merc team at i16 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	tech-NiC-al 15:22 22/7/2003	Agreed with senilex, iseries lans are very good and yes the comptetition has died over the past few event but its still worth something. If SK didnt go CPL do u think gotfrag would knock the value of the CPL from thier estimates? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 15:23 22/7/2003	rofl i-series tournaments r f*ing s* [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obi Clan ONE 15:24 22/7/2003	iseries arent worth anything, noone takes them seriously its just a 3-4 day p***up [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	madmk 15:25 22/7/2003	No - because we should be 18-20th and we aren't included.. even though we have the same no. of points as them clans :[ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Senilex 15:27 22/7/2003	ooooookkkkkkkkk then. but the point still remains that not everyone see's it as a 3 day p*** up. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nazg0l fightclubclan 15:28 22/7/2003	iseries are worth fa in terms of comparing uk teams, a lot of ppl are totally drunk, they dont take it seriously, there is loads of choke forcing ppl to use low rates... i say take away every iseries. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Raider theb0g 15:33 22/7/2003	explain why 4k got more points for winning wcg uk qualifier than for placing 5th at the event??? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smiffeh Game2XS.Monkey Magic 15:36 22/7/2003	they shouldnt really get any points for the events in which there was no other UK clans present as it doesnt show the UK scene which i guess this is trying to show [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Messiah Game2XS.Monkey Magic 15:39 22/7/2003	Just do what GotFrag do [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	N3M- endeffect 15:46 22/7/2003	Its a good idea but needs work, u say i16 was full of mercs i agree 100% so...wot about Kirby Esports i thought that was a mix team for ukt (wasnt ripper in them :s) anyways. I also dont see logic in omg! being one ukt lan win behind 4k, seeing as 4k have been going for years b4 omg have and the amount of cpls etc that 4k have attended. Good idea but quite unfair and very biased. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 15:54 22/7/2003	if you like we'll take out the ukt3 points for each team then [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	kae 15:57 22/7/2003	ukt ranking is total bs... i mean it goes on points? the only think thats right is 4k Top thats it rest is utter bs, 1/2 of the clans arnt even around nemore for god sake [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 15:57 22/7/2003	and i have nothing to do with the rankings so dont try and say their bias. zeNi does them all. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DK Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate 16:01 22/7/2003	they're bias!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Alex-\ 16:04 22/7/2003	just looking at the points difference between the top 4 shows the problems in the rankings. 4K only 34 points ahead of omg when it should be more like 100 if not more , and the points difference between omg and ONE been the same as 4K and omg when theres plenty of good arguments for ONE been ahead of omg. Maybe the best way to do it would be to get players from the top 10 uk clans ( 4K, one, omg, MM, ui, dist, lc, Im, B'codes, SCEE) to make there top 10 then compile them. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Messiah Game2XS.Monkey Magic 16:04 22/7/2003	yeh alex, like gotfrag [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ns.BJ 16:08 22/7/2003	deducting points for inactivity is a bit harsh if that inactivity is forced upon you ^^ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Alex-\ 16:08 22/7/2003	yer but gotfrag ask retards like thorin as well and who gives a s*** who they think are top 10 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Samje 16:17 22/7/2003	i had a little talk about all this with iccy the other night. he made some good points, and it doesnt really work. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Messiah Game2XS.Monkey Magic 16:23 22/7/2003	id say more ppl give a s*** than dont Alex [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Infinity` #Harmless 16:25 22/7/2003	Seeing since its uk ratings, it should only be leagues or tournys that are uk, none of these cpl quals or anything. keep it real [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Samje 16:29 22/7/2003	so 4k will be like 5th. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Alex-\ 16:35 22/7/2003	why though he's a t**t :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DK Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate 16:36 22/7/2003	here's a theory: Golfers play in tournaments. If the current ranked number 1 golfer doesn't take part in a few recent competitions (for whatever reason) and say the 4th ranked golfer wins these tournaments in the absence of the 1st, 2nd, 3rd ranked golfers. He would still get his ranking points from the PGA and could then overtake those above him. Even though it's quite clear that he would have had less chance to win if the better players had attended. If 4k (I know they ain't) are so bothered about losing the UKT UK rankings top spot, then they HAVE the choice to compete in some of the UK competitions around. I tihnk this thing should be taken with a light heart, like CS in general. Or you can spend £60 and attend i series to try and squeeze into the top spots and show your mates!!! :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Alex-\ 16:41 22/7/2003	[quote]I think this thing should be taken with a light heart, like CS in general.[/qoute] true but b***hing about unimportant things is fun =) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Choke\|MaT Choke 16:51 22/7/2003	From the other post: 1st: Monkey Magic (12) 2nd: omg! (8) 3rd: lastchance (6) 4th: Imminent (5) 5th: section7/Pacifico (4) 7th: Disturbed/Choke (3) 9th: GltC/SFAL/Maim/reSonance (2) 13th: fle/69K/Harmless/Blacklight (1) What were the numbers in brackets for? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 16:52 22/7/2003	UKT points awarded, not related to the ranking system [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 16:53 22/7/2003	Points contributing to their Secondary Strike total [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ZaG Online Multiplayer Gaming 16:55 22/7/2003	points towards the UKT LAN rankings, not the UK Scene Rankings [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ZaG Online Multiplayer Gaming 16:55 22/7/2003	^^ haha [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	enuex 16:57 22/7/2003	more recognition for international events - more pts for the 5th @ ESWC, and good pts for omg! if they do well @ Euskal (which they won't, but hey...) :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	OverlordRob Asylum.uk 17:00 22/7/2003	i think its gonna pretty impossible to get some accurate rankings simply cos not all clans take patr in all events. Clearly 4K do the most and u would expect them to be top just for competing in many events...still over time things should even out a bit [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Badgerz 17:04 22/7/2003	vets got to semi's at i10, i11, i12 if i remember right? and werent included and im not saying they should be included as it was a fun lan and still is. Just its a bit dodgy to score points for a lan that most people just get drunk at, eat currys and play bridge builder(well atleast we do) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Samje 17:10 22/7/2003	i think its gonna pretty impossible to get some accurate rankings simply cos not all clans take patr in all events. Clearly 4K do the most and u would expect them to be top just for competing in many events...still over time things should even out a bit basically, more points awarded to international tournaments, 4k are going to be miles ahead of people, and will be for some time. its pointless over compensating smaller events to make it look like theres a fight for the top spot. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	raizbert 17:19 22/7/2003	should be a big points difference between domestic and international stuff [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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	cobbeh fluid element 13:21 22/7/2003	I think that its very good at the moment, but i still think Savage should be included though as its still a pretty decent league/cup, but when thinking about theres not really too much that can be changed to it, nothing drastic anyway [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	cobbeh fluid element 13:23 22/7/2003	1 thing tho i just realised, clans should be deducted points for inactivity, because n@s havent exactly done anything recently from what ive seen, yet they are still in the top 20 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 13:24 22/7/2003	Savage league season 8 has just been added to the rankings today by the rankings man himself zeNi. I think you will never get a 100% perfect ranking system but this is very accurate and does reflect the scene as it stands. So long as it continues to do that i fail to see a problem. Little tweaks may be required here and there but appart from that... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	cobbeh fluid element 13:25 22/7/2003	exactly Dev, people are just being a tad bit too picky after zeni has spent a good while working on this each time big events come around [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Antmoo 13:25 22/7/2003	zeNi 12:45 22/7/03 (Hostname) Add tournament Name: Savage League Season 8 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	cobbeh fluid element 13:26 22/7/2003	:) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Loxam Lite 13:29 22/7/2003	I think the table is good atm, adjustments could be made such as lil images of the clans logo (UKT needs some colour :)). The table is new so it probably doesn't represent the levels in the lower portions, but at the top you can see that it has started to level out with the higher points, and eventually the whole table should reflect similar. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	alpha Da boss Inspired Gaming 13:30 22/7/2003	Yes, Savage League was added today before the poll was put up. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 13:30 22/7/2003	For the people who are voting 'no' or 'roughly but needs adjustments' please explain here why you think there are flaws so zeNi and the rest of the UKT staff have an idea. Maybe we can address the issues you have with the rankings. No flames are needed just constructive feedback :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	cobbeh fluid element 13:32 22/7/2003	yer i think maybe there should be more info of each of the clans, clan logo, information of there lineups and website, maybe some demos of the their clan that they want to add or something, just a thought :o [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Gilga 13:35 22/7/2003	WOHOO we got 12 points for winning savage leagues! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Toomy 13:36 22/7/2003	i voted no because it doesn't reflect the current uk scene. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Loxam Lite 13:36 22/7/2003	Have the clans linked to the profile and posts so people can be proud :) i.e. Loxam UniCon [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	alpha Da boss Inspired Gaming 13:37 22/7/2003	Toomy: ...because? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	cobbeh fluid element 13:38 22/7/2003	it does though, its all down to straight results not clans reputation [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Mr. Whippy Disposable Heroes 13:40 22/7/2003	I know it wont affect the ranking, but 4k got 26 points for coming 5th at ESWC and MM got 25 for winning UKT. Unless those points have come from other competitions as well it doesn't seem realistic really. Guess we can't put 4k too far ahead :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	cobbeh fluid element 13:44 22/7/2003	ESWC was a much bigger event so the points system would be different [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Toomy 13:45 22/7/2003	because rankings never portray a scene accurately, not much wrong with the system, apart from it could do with some sort of decay for clan's that haven't aquired points for say, 2 months. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Loxam Lite 13:45 22/7/2003	Does gotfrag? do it on just LAN's or online compo's too? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fez 13:45 22/7/2003	the i series should be removed as it isnt a serious LAN tournament, more of a fun gathering :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	cobbeh fluid element 13:46 22/7/2003	that what i said Toomy, clans should lose points over periods of time, maybe between each UKT lan or somethin, so the rankings are mostly the most active clans at the moment [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	alpha Da boss Inspired Gaming 13:51 22/7/2003	Clans don't lose points over time per se but they do get less points for older tournaments. I think the time period is a year, so MM get 25 points at the moment for winning UKT 4, but in a year's time it'll be a lot less. This is automatic. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Mr. Whippy Disposable Heroes 13:51 22/7/2003	Sorry that's what i meant Cobbeh, 4k should have got more points as i think it's a far greater achievement. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 13:57 22/7/2003	Loxam - click 'how are these rankings determined' underneath the rankings on gotFrag? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Endo Legend 14:02 22/7/2003	I personnally think that clans that have folded should be removed from the Rankings, plus i do not agree with the way that for example Xtra took on iM's points when they merged it doesn't seem a reflection of the true scene. At pressent... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Loxam Lite 14:04 22/7/2003	Thats quite,,, s*** ranking by gotfrag. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Endo Legend 14:04 22/7/2003	plus i agree wiv Toomy [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DooMeh Lite 14:06 22/7/2003	Does gotfrag? do it on just LAN's or online compo's too? gotfrag do it on certain people's opinion or something its hard to judge how many points should be given for online competitions compared to lans, how has zeni apporached it? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	nicklearse Missing In Action 14:21 22/7/2003	adjustments IMO : -there should be UKCS Local and UKCS Worldwide .. therefore the UK one would show the UK scene better without 4k owning it so much for their overseae acheivements .. and it would keep the smaller teams off the 'bigger picture' becos they may never compete at such a level notice use of may... they would obviously get added if they were to compete at such a level and perhaps have a total rankings for anyone whos 100 % pleased with current system -without taking a too obvious shot at DK's intelect teams should be 'fined' points for being anti social and bad sportsman ... (seriously) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	FELLA 14:37 22/7/2003	No-one cares what you think p3n because you and your s***e clan will never get on the rankings board. Also if you're going to slag someone's intellect off it would be wise to check your spelling ... Now go back to bed so daddy can abuse you some more ... I bet you love the summer holidays ... you, your daddy and little brother having a nice 3some bum session 24/7. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dirtydan 14:39 22/7/2003	have clanbase opencup div2 been added? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	A_BeAsT 14:48 22/7/2003	its a very good system, more tourneys u play in more points you should get but it does needs adjustments cos barcodes arnt top 8 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ExistenZ 14:54 22/7/2003	i think it doesnt rank a clans skill because some teams who play alot of events gain points and LOOK good, but some teams play only a few events and WIN them or come bloody close and are clearly better than the clans who played lots.... so it does need altering slightly.. maybe much more bias put on coming 3rd 2nd and 1st rather than LOTS of 8th places.. maybe it should be an average of ranks rather than points.. so 4k would be 1st still but some clan that comes 8-10th is ranked 8th - 10th no matter how many events they attended. where as if a clan went to 2 events and came 3rd there average would be 3rd.. so there placed 3rd. obviously this aint perfect but i think it would represent less active clans better. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Stu^ 14:58 22/7/2003	We didn't get iM's points when we moved over, we took our points with us [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nighty 15:08 22/7/2003	i series shouldnt be included its a p*** about lan not a serious 1 with decent competition. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 15:11 22/7/2003	gotfrag ask mental midgets like Thorin for their opinion, it can't be trusted anymore than a nine bob note [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Messiah Game2XS.Monkey Magic 15:11 22/7/2003	I think a system like Gotfrag's would be better [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Gryff 15:15 22/7/2003	How can a system based on results as far back as 12 months reflect the current scene. It can't. NEXT? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DK Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate 15:17 22/7/2003	p3n, penalising teams for bad sportmanship and behaviour?? Zeni must spend alot of his time sorting these ranking as much as possible. He can't f*ing go around asking the individual leagues if any of the clans have behaved bad!! Seriously though, you insult my intelligence in the same post as that ridiculous idea. You are fing retarded mate. Alos most of the clans in the rankings system have either been around for ages, or of an exceptional class. Talking about 4k/omg/mm ect here. So I'm sure they know how to behave in a game. Ask 90% of the teams who have played SCEE or the other teams ranked. Unlike you since you're a f**ing retard who needs his neck snapping like a diseased racing pigeon. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Gryff 15:18 22/7/2003	PS by that I mean using past results cannot reflect on a clans current ability. If all of omgs lineup left bar the CL and they recruited 4 uk2 newbies would they still be ranked the same? Lineups, teamplay, skill all change over time, imho gotfrag have got the most accurate system for how the scene looks NOW :-] [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Senilex 15:18 22/7/2003	I think its unfair as i16 wasnt included here. You say u didnt include points from it cause it was full of merc teams! Dont you think that its unfair on teams such as Barcodes and Team-X who are not merc teams at all and who came first and second. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obi Clan ONE 15:18 22/7/2003	i dont think online leagues shoudl really be included, because things are normally alot different on lan, and online cs means f*** all at the end of the day. Maybe include the EC and OC (btw why is OC included atm but not EC?). Should only really be down to lans tho i reckon, since thats all that really counts [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obi Clan ONE 15:20 22/7/2003	i think the cyberleagues one that dart said about the other day is probably the most accurate one, isnt just a standard number of points for a position in a lan, takes into account who u beat etc, an gives mroe points for betetr clans, far more accurate, also this doesnt include online leagues afaik apart from EC and OC [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Shaw 15:21 22/7/2003	cause eurocup aint finished [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 15:21 22/7/2003	barcodes were a merc team at i16 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	tech-NiC-al 15:22 22/7/2003	Agreed with senilex, iseries lans are very good and yes the comptetition has died over the past few event but its still worth something. If SK didnt go CPL do u think gotfrag would knock the value of the CPL from thier estimates? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 15:23 22/7/2003	rofl i-series tournaments r f*ing s* [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obi Clan ONE 15:24 22/7/2003	iseries arent worth anything, noone takes them seriously its just a 3-4 day p***up [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	madmk 15:25 22/7/2003	No - because we should be 18-20th and we aren't included.. even though we have the same no. of points as them clans :[ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Senilex 15:27 22/7/2003	ooooookkkkkkkkk then. but the point still remains that not everyone see's it as a 3 day p*** up. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nazg0l fightclubclan 15:28 22/7/2003	iseries are worth fa in terms of comparing uk teams, a lot of ppl are totally drunk, they dont take it seriously, there is loads of choke forcing ppl to use low rates... i say take away every iseries. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Raider theb0g 15:33 22/7/2003	explain why 4k got more points for winning wcg uk qualifier than for placing 5th at the event??? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smiffeh Game2XS.Monkey Magic 15:36 22/7/2003	they shouldnt really get any points for the events in which there was no other UK clans present as it doesnt show the UK scene which i guess this is trying to show [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Messiah Game2XS.Monkey Magic 15:39 22/7/2003	Just do what GotFrag do [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	N3M- endeffect 15:46 22/7/2003	Its a good idea but needs work, u say i16 was full of mercs i agree 100% so...wot about Kirby Esports i thought that was a mix team for ukt (wasnt ripper in them :s) anyways. I also dont see logic in omg! being one ukt lan win behind 4k, seeing as 4k have been going for years b4 omg have and the amount of cpls etc that 4k have attended. Good idea but quite unfair and very biased. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 15:54 22/7/2003	if you like we'll take out the ukt3 points for each team then [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	kae 15:57 22/7/2003	ukt ranking is total bs... i mean it goes on points? the only think thats right is 4k Top thats it rest is utter bs, 1/2 of the clans arnt even around nemore for god sake [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 15:57 22/7/2003	and i have nothing to do with the rankings so dont try and say their bias. zeNi does them all. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DK Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate 16:01 22/7/2003	they're bias!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Alex-\ 16:04 22/7/2003	just looking at the points difference between the top 4 shows the problems in the rankings. 4K only 34 points ahead of omg when it should be more like 100 if not more , and the points difference between omg and ONE been the same as 4K and omg when theres plenty of good arguments for ONE been ahead of omg. Maybe the best way to do it would be to get players from the top 10 uk clans ( 4K, one, omg, MM, ui, dist, lc, Im, B'codes, SCEE) to make there top 10 then compile them. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Messiah Game2XS.Monkey Magic 16:04 22/7/2003	yeh alex, like gotfrag [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ns.BJ 16:08 22/7/2003	deducting points for inactivity is a bit harsh if that inactivity is forced upon you ^^ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Alex-\ 16:08 22/7/2003	yer but gotfrag ask retards like thorin as well and who gives a s*** who they think are top 10 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Samje 16:17 22/7/2003	i had a little talk about all this with iccy the other night. he made some good points, and it doesnt really work. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Messiah Game2XS.Monkey Magic 16:23 22/7/2003	id say more ppl give a s*** than dont Alex [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Infinity` #Harmless 16:25 22/7/2003	Seeing since its uk ratings, it should only be leagues or tournys that are uk, none of these cpl quals or anything. keep it real [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Samje 16:29 22/7/2003	so 4k will be like 5th. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Alex-\ 16:35 22/7/2003	why though he's a t**t :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DK Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate 16:36 22/7/2003	here's a theory: Golfers play in tournaments. If the current ranked number 1 golfer doesn't take part in a few recent competitions (for whatever reason) and say the 4th ranked golfer wins these tournaments in the absence of the 1st, 2nd, 3rd ranked golfers. He would still get his ranking points from the PGA and could then overtake those above him. Even though it's quite clear that he would have had less chance to win if the better players had attended. If 4k (I know they ain't) are so bothered about losing the UKT UK rankings top spot, then they HAVE the choice to compete in some of the UK competitions around. I tihnk this thing should be taken with a light heart, like CS in general. Or you can spend £60 and attend i series to try and squeeze into the top spots and show your mates!!! :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Alex-\ 16:41 22/7/2003	[quote]I think this thing should be taken with a light heart, like CS in general.[/qoute] true but b***hing about unimportant things is fun =) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Choke\|MaT Choke 16:51 22/7/2003	From the other post: 1st: Monkey Magic (12) 2nd: omg! (8) 3rd: lastchance (6) 4th: Imminent (5) 5th: section7/Pacifico (4) 7th: Disturbed/Choke (3) 9th: GltC/SFAL/Maim/reSonance (2) 13th: fle/69K/Harmless/Blacklight (1) What were the numbers in brackets for? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 16:52 22/7/2003	UKT points awarded, not related to the ranking system [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 16:53 22/7/2003	Points contributing to their Secondary Strike total [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ZaG Online Multiplayer Gaming 16:55 22/7/2003	points towards the UKT LAN rankings, not the UK Scene Rankings [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ZaG Online Multiplayer Gaming 16:55 22/7/2003	^^ haha [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	enuex 16:57 22/7/2003	more recognition for international events - more pts for the 5th @ ESWC, and good pts for omg! if they do well @ Euskal (which they won't, but hey...) :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	OverlordRob Asylum.uk 17:00 22/7/2003	i think its gonna pretty impossible to get some accurate rankings simply cos not all clans take patr in all events. Clearly 4K do the most and u would expect them to be top just for competing in many events...still over time things should even out a bit [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Badgerz 17:04 22/7/2003	vets got to semi's at i10, i11, i12 if i remember right? and werent included and im not saying they should be included as it was a fun lan and still is. Just its a bit dodgy to score points for a lan that most people just get drunk at, eat currys and play bridge builder(well atleast we do) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Samje 17:10 22/7/2003	i think its gonna pretty impossible to get some accurate rankings simply cos not all clans take patr in all events. Clearly 4K do the most and u would expect them to be top just for competing in many events...still over time things should even out a bit basically, more points awarded to international tournaments, 4k are going to be miles ahead of people, and will be for some time. its pointless over compensating smaller events to make it look like theres a fight for the top spot. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	raizbert 17:19 22/7/2003	should be a big points difference between domestic and international stuff [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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