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	w1cked Croydon 09:37 31/3/2004	^ Cliffe [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Hotshot Choke 09:39 31/3/2004	screw it leave the game alone, who gives a toss if they make the para cheaper its hardly useful, same with the UMP, Mac10 etc sigh [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	cobbeh fluid element 09:51 31/3/2004	(This was an automated post) As you saw a while back when the money system was tweaked, the makers of CS are making it more and more apparent that they are looking for the 'CS community' to help them improve the game by leaking out idea's on what they are looking to update next and see what gamers think about it. This time around Jess Cliffe has brought up the idea of changing around the prices of the weapons and slight changes to some of the weapons. Here is the list of the potential changes: 228 compact: 550 (old price: 600) Five Seven : 600 (op: 750) Elites : 700 (op: 800) m3 shotty : 1400 (op: 1700) - MP5: 1700 (op: 1500) - P90: 1900 (op: 2350) TMP: 1200 (op: 1250) Mac10 : 1100 (op: 1400) UMP : 1400 (op: 1700) IDF Defender : 2400 (op: 2000) Clarion : 2300 (op: 2250) ak-47 : 3000 (op: 2500) M4: 3100 (op: 3100) - Bullpup: 3200 (op: 3500) - 552: 3300 (op: 3500) AWP: 4900 (op: 4750) - Para: 4300 (op: 5750) * with slightly increased dmg and slightly better accuracy on TMP and Mac10 * AWP 5 in clip It sounds promising, especially the AWP clip idea which may lead to more precision shooting. Feel free to pop into the official forum discussion and express your idea's. Update With thanks to the points that came across on the forums, Jess Cliffe has come back saying this: Thanks for the input everyone! The "good for pubs, bad for matches" aspect has sent us back to the proverbial drawing board. A good solid discussion but changes that are probably simply overly radical. Cheers." [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	d0ly` 09:57 31/3/2004	stfu para is the most tactical weapon of all. best gun to buy on eco :o [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Tazzle 10:01 31/3/2004	f*** off. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Phunky 10:02 31/3/2004	All good tbh, makes Money control that little bit harder! This change will be liked just as much as he new s***ty Offside rull in footy [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	cRueL^ Alliance.cs 10:04 31/3/2004	Why bother at all? There is no inbalance at the moment, so why change it? Some top clans have buying tactics, for example, if they lose certain rounds they know how much money they have next round and what they can afford. If it aint broken.... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	h0mes 10:07 31/3/2004	P90 was always a little over priced :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fez 10:08 31/3/2004	leave the prices and fix the bugs u plick [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	HeNdie Void 10:10 31/3/2004	because ur tag is so long, you made the page f*** up dickhead. [ Score: -1, abusive \| Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Scrappy Sniper's Alley 10:15 31/3/2004	The more para rushes the better ! gg [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dravicus 10:30 31/3/2004	m4 $100 more than ak? nahhh [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ensnare Atari.Crew 10:36 31/3/2004	o dear... how about fixing the looking the other way and killing u bug? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	cRueL^ Alliance.cs 10:44 31/3/2004	amen ensnare [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	StriKeN unicon.cs 10:45 31/3/2004	ahaa that 5 bullets in AWP clip was an idea that was thought about pre version 1, when the AWP was toned down so that only a chest/headshot killed. Good to see that might be implemented. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	NukleuZ Black Death Warriors 10:59 31/3/2004	ffs thats f*in s.. make the s** and already cheap guns cheaper and the only decent guns more expensive wtfs the point.. only good price change is styr aug. 5bullet awp is gay too [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Roar^ 11:00 31/3/2004	Yeah hes said that theyre not gonna change the prices as they effect wars too much. So can all stop worrying :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ensnare Atari.Crew 11:01 31/3/2004	lets all hope that this is an april fool and cliffe was too stupid to remember there are 31 days in march. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	patriK 11:01 31/3/2004	good there not gunna do it ;/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	KhAoS meatyballs 11:04 31/3/2004	if it's not broken, don't fix it :( this is gonna cause inbalance [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	cRueL^ Alliance.cs 11:06 31/3/2004	Apparently they aint gonna change anything now. No need to worry... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	BelleH Rush! 11:10 31/3/2004	OMG cs is turning into Supermarket sweep! Look at all those special offers! It's Bargain Hunter's Heaven! Next time your in the super market and hear a Beep Beep it might be Dale Winton's Supermarket Sweep! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	cobbeh fluid element 11:11 31/3/2004	i f***in loved that program [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	[z]Fred zebras 11:15 31/3/2004	I hardly play cs these days but those changes all seem pretty good :o) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Black Cat^ 11:22 31/3/2004	aww look at all the pro gaym0rs cry and whine whine whine ... I swear to god no-one on UKT has any thing positive to say, ever. It's like with every CS update, you all whinge like f* at first, even tho you claim to hate the new changes in CS you continue to play it ..... then a new update comes out and everybody starts whinging "it was fine before why f* it up!" It's not the end of the world, I welcome these changes. CS is a very old game on a very old engine, it's changes like these that keep the community growing and make it a little more interesting. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Aimage Bleeding-edge 11:22 31/3/2004	I was told that the 5clip awp thing was a dead cert about 2/3 weeks ago. ak price up by 5k would suck. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Aimage Bleeding-edge 11:23 31/3/2004	I was told that the 5clip awp thing was a dead cert about 2/3 weeks ago. ak price up by 5hundred would suck. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DidGe Synergy Online 11:28 31/3/2004	yes making the ak $5000 more expensive would suck, thats why they made it £500 more. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DidGe Synergy Online 11:30 31/3/2004	ah, I didnt read ur second one.. i thought u double posted :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	K^\| 11:36 31/3/2004	lolage [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Magic^ 11:44 31/3/2004	making AK expensive galil rounds ! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Headshot^Man` Disturbed 11:47 31/3/2004	hes decided not to change it now [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	[z]Fred zebras 11:51 31/3/2004	Pity [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MadSpunk Last Chance 12:07 31/3/2004	hmm more eco rounds? Boring :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	hihi zebras 12:11 31/3/2004	Cliffe has decided to not change the prices because this would effect the warplay too much. "Thanks for the input everyone! The "good for pubs, bad for matches" aspect has sent us back to the proverbial drawing board. A good solid discussion but changes that are probably simply overly radical. Cheers." [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Sm[o][o]th 12:11 31/3/2004	Cliffe: Thanks for the input everyone! The "good for pubs, bad for matches" aspect has sent us back to the proverbial drawing board. A good solid discussion but changes that are probably simply overly radical. Cheers. ------------- The modififed prices would have been a change for the better imo, but it looks like they are oging to come up with something else :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	hihi zebras 12:11 31/3/2004	what it says on schroet ;-0 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Sm[o][o]th 12:12 31/3/2004	fu hihi :x [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	hihi zebras 12:12 31/3/2004	h0h0 smooth :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	NukleuZ Black Death Warriors 12:14 31/3/2004	dont read the comments then black cat [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	NukleuZ Black Death Warriors 12:18 31/3/2004	also when are they gonna make the radar more opaque? i thought that was sposed to be done ages ago.. hate having to look down at the ground to see the radar [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Carb theb0g 12:21 31/3/2004	Bit late seeing as the SK site has already stated that they will not be changing the prices for the time being. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DidGe Synergy Online 12:26 31/3/2004	radar should be matt black. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Hunter 12:35 31/3/2004	Seems that I'm the only one who woulda liked to have seen the changes! Would like to see a shakeup after all this time. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DrfL 12:39 31/3/2004	What about some new decent maps! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rhyzz Nocturne 12:51 31/3/2004	If anything the M4 price needs dropping to about 2750. It would mean alot more gun rounds and less eco's. as CT you shouldnt have to eco twice to get a gun + armour, then if you lose that round, its eco time again. Its stupid, on a T balanced map, the 4th round is far too important. Also the Deagle accuracy should be put up a little bit, it's far too random at long range [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rei 12:55 31/3/2004	imo, there are more important changes that need to be made to cs than the money. Flashbang bugs, skywalking, killing when not looking at the target, the still common use of hacks (try to make it less common plz), the no_spec name bugs. Those are just a few off the top of my head, u know...the money is NOT an issue in my opinion... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Del` Sniper's Alley 13:02 31/3/2004	Imo this is prob sensible. Anything that encourages more than just the same 3 guns/ 3 pistols being used all the time, every match is good imo. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Del` Sniper's Alley 13:03 31/3/2004	Doesn't change the fact they should be working on other stuff instead of this though. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	KhAoS meatyballs 13:07 31/3/2004	inflation is creeping in everywhere :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 13:08 31/3/2004	If anything the M4 price needs dropping to about 2750. It would mean alot more gun rounds and less eco's. as CT you shouldnt have to eco twice to get a gun + armour, then if you lose that round, its eco time again. Its stupid, on a T balanced map, the 4th round is far too important. Also the Deagle accuracy should be put up a little bit, it's far too random at long range I agree with Rhyzz 100%, kill me now 8( And I agree with pretty much everyone when they say that they should concentrate on other things, it' f***ing laughable that some of the bugs remain while they think of yet more worthless "additions". Call me a whiner by all means Black Cat, but when some bugs are coming up to 3 years old it kinda makes a mockery that Cliffe would ignore all the previous feedback, then demand it on his terms for such idiotic changes. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Landen Point Five-O 13:11 31/3/2004	^ I agree. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	HeaDBulB 13:11 31/3/2004	good to see them looking towards the CS community to find ways in making the game better xD [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Noah- r4ngers 13:14 31/3/2004	INCREASE DEAGLE ACCURACY AND FIX THE SILLY RADAR THANKYOU. also rhyzz is right tho i hate to admit it :D! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	N3M- endeffect 13:14 31/3/2004	bring back jumping. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	N3M- endeffect 13:16 31/3/2004	I think flashbangs should be rehashed :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Del` Sniper's Alley 13:28 31/3/2004	On second thoughts they should be making the s*** guns better, so they're as good as the price they cost, and are equally viable. I agree they need to do something about flashbangs, the period of blindness if one goes off at your feet is far too long. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Carb theb0g 13:39 31/3/2004	I'm loving the flash tricks...flash behind yourself run out and own them when they turn away from the flash. Works every time! The prices of guns should be bottom of the list of things that need changing:- Cheating Hitboxes Netcode Steam Model bugs Gun accuracy Flash bugs in certain maps Sound bugs (cancelling sound out by a nade switch) Map bugs (getting stuck) All these things should be above changing/adding/removing any maps, guns, prices of guns, aesthetics etc. He asks the community but in the end how many people heard about the shield coming in and didn't want it? About 80% of the community. VALVe would do better for themselves and their rep if they actually didn't update CS for a longer time and instead worked on resolving the big issues. Then they could release one top notch version that would solve the vast majority of the issues this game faces. The community would be happier with them and the game might start coming back to resembling its former (better) states. [ Score: -1, pointless \| Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	FragMentor 13:40 31/3/2004	some1 stab cliffe until he gets rid of the bomb/defuse = 3 frags bs. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Roar^ 13:46 31/3/2004	tbh fix all the bugs, especially the flash bangs. Also i never understood why with a flashbang you only really get the flash part, wheres the huge bang? :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Sm[o][o]th 13:47 31/3/2004	some1 stab cliffe until he gets rid of the bomb/defuse = 3 frags bs. ---- Why do you care?? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Carb theb0g 13:50 31/3/2004	I would agree with that FragMentor. Saddest thing was the n00bs that would TK you for the bomb because they wanted the frags. They should put in an extra column in the scoreboard to say how many defuses or bomb plants the player has made if they wanted to 'reward' people for planting (and blowing up) the bomb or defusing. [ Score: -1, abusive \| Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	hihi zebras 14:03 31/3/2004	or maybe just give u one frag for a defuse or succesfull plant/explosion :P 3 is a bit stupid [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Montaver theb0g 14:12 31/3/2004	things like hitboxs, weapon accuracies, cheating etc will never be resolved, so why everyone still complains about them is beyond me. No matter what valve do, they will never get it right for the majority of the community, so why should they jump to it everytime someone complains? I dont remember ever paying for CS, and ive had alot of good play from it, sure its getting worse, but hey, its much easier to critiscise than praise, which is why all everyone ever does is whine (i'm just as guilty of it myself.) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Sm[o][o]th 14:17 31/3/2004	Hitboxes CAN be fixed tho ¬_¬ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	cobbeh fluid element 14:19 31/3/2004	ur face cant [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ShekkyBoy 14:20 31/3/2004	Why does the 'successful bomb detonation/defuse = 3 frags' need changing? It's not people who read UKT care about their frag/death ratios anymore, since 90% of the readers probably have the skill to decimate a public server anyhow. If you care about your score so much, that you get angry when the second highest on the scoreboard overtakes you because he/she defused the bomb, then go play Quake3/UT2004 DM and rack up a good frag count there. I would've thought most people would concentrate on improving their teamwork and ability to predict opponent's decisions than being top of the server. Besides, getting those free 3 frags is the only way forward for me. :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ablation contact! 14:45 31/3/2004	Only reason bomb frags irritate me is because it makes it impossible to tell whether or not a POV demo is going to be interesting based solely on the score. But hey, that isn't a problem anyway since now hardly anyone bothers recording as demos lag CS so much! :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Bard- 14:47 31/3/2004	Wouldnt increasing the accuracy of Deagle at long range inbalance the pistols? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Stevenson 14:47 31/3/2004	the respawn bug p***es me off, needs sorting :\| [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fraZie contact! 14:47 31/3/2004	bloody leave it for shags sake [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Bard- 14:48 31/3/2004	and yeh i agree bomb frags are stupid. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Kemistry fluid element 15:14 31/3/2004	i agree 100% with Carb about sorting out the real issues like cheating, hitboxes etc than changing the money around. I personally think the money system is ok for now, although something should be done about CT's ecoing 3 times, then if they lose the 4th round having to eco again, possibly twice to get another chance of winning a round [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	AGeNt7eVeN Clan Dirty 15:15 31/3/2004	also when are they gonna make the radar more opaque? i thought that was sposed to be done ages ago.. hate having to look down at the ground to see the radar Definatly the biggest thing that needs fixing! I also think Deagle accuracy is Perfect, show me one person on earth that can get a 1 shot hs on a person running in front of him at 50ft usuing a Deagle! The chance of hitting a person running with a handgun is something stupid like 7/100 and even if u hit them its likely to not be fatal [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Montaver theb0g 15:17 31/3/2004	actually ye they could fix the radar :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	HeNdie Void 15:39 31/3/2004	thought it was just me who had to look at the floor to see radar 8) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ssj 15:41 31/3/2004	Someone whose good with a deagle atm with all its randomness can take down a whole team with it, altho it is very random, is the accuracy as improved, T pistol round with 5 deagles would take down CT's easily, and Deagle ecos would most of the time win. Deagle is good because of its randomness, sometimes its sick, sometimes its s***! but they should defintely fix the model bugs, perhaps move the colt to 2900, aug to 3100, and keep the AK the same. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	swo0p 15:46 31/3/2004	They should stop changing cs and instead add to it with new maps or new weapons (forgetting the awful sheild) or correct the problems with bugs. And make a decent anti-cheat mod or sumat. Pah. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Carb theb0g 15:49 31/3/2004	lol I've been doing that moving your radar over a wall thing to see where people are for years, its just become force of habit but you do end up looking at the floor or at a wall just to find out where your teammates are =/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	g00z quintessential 16:09 31/3/2004	lol sometimes i fire 7 bullets and hit nothing. Other times u get like 3 hs's vs rifles. Tis all fun :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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	w1cked Croydon 09:37 31/3/2004	^ Cliffe [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Hotshot Choke 09:39 31/3/2004	screw it leave the game alone, who gives a toss if they make the para cheaper its hardly useful, same with the UMP, Mac10 etc sigh [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	cobbeh fluid element 09:51 31/3/2004	(This was an automated post) As you saw a while back when the money system was tweaked, the makers of CS are making it more and more apparent that they are looking for the 'CS community' to help them improve the game by leaking out idea's on what they are looking to update next and see what gamers think about it. This time around Jess Cliffe has brought up the idea of changing around the prices of the weapons and slight changes to some of the weapons. Here is the list of the potential changes: 228 compact: 550 (old price: 600) Five Seven : 600 (op: 750) Elites : 700 (op: 800) m3 shotty : 1400 (op: 1700) - MP5: 1700 (op: 1500) - P90: 1900 (op: 2350) TMP: 1200 (op: 1250) Mac10 : 1100 (op: 1400) UMP : 1400 (op: 1700) IDF Defender : 2400 (op: 2000) Clarion : 2300 (op: 2250) ak-47 : 3000 (op: 2500) M4: 3100 (op: 3100) - Bullpup: 3200 (op: 3500) - 552: 3300 (op: 3500) AWP: 4900 (op: 4750) - Para: 4300 (op: 5750) * with slightly increased dmg and slightly better accuracy on TMP and Mac10 * AWP 5 in clip It sounds promising, especially the AWP clip idea which may lead to more precision shooting. Feel free to pop into the official forum discussion and express your idea's. Update With thanks to the points that came across on the forums, Jess Cliffe has come back saying this: Thanks for the input everyone! The "good for pubs, bad for matches" aspect has sent us back to the proverbial drawing board. A good solid discussion but changes that are probably simply overly radical. Cheers." [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	d0ly` 09:57 31/3/2004	stfu para is the most tactical weapon of all. best gun to buy on eco :o [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Tazzle 10:01 31/3/2004	f*** off. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Phunky 10:02 31/3/2004	All good tbh, makes Money control that little bit harder! This change will be liked just as much as he new s***ty Offside rull in footy [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	cRueL^ Alliance.cs 10:04 31/3/2004	Why bother at all? There is no inbalance at the moment, so why change it? Some top clans have buying tactics, for example, if they lose certain rounds they know how much money they have next round and what they can afford. If it aint broken.... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	h0mes 10:07 31/3/2004	P90 was always a little over priced :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fez 10:08 31/3/2004	leave the prices and fix the bugs u plick [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	HeNdie Void 10:10 31/3/2004	because ur tag is so long, you made the page f*** up dickhead. [ Score: -1, abusive \| Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Scrappy Sniper's Alley 10:15 31/3/2004	The more para rushes the better ! gg [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dravicus 10:30 31/3/2004	m4 $100 more than ak? nahhh [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ensnare Atari.Crew 10:36 31/3/2004	o dear... how about fixing the looking the other way and killing u bug? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	cRueL^ Alliance.cs 10:44 31/3/2004	amen ensnare [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	StriKeN unicon.cs 10:45 31/3/2004	ahaa that 5 bullets in AWP clip was an idea that was thought about pre version 1, when the AWP was toned down so that only a chest/headshot killed. Good to see that might be implemented. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	NukleuZ Black Death Warriors 10:59 31/3/2004	ffs thats f*in s.. make the s** and already cheap guns cheaper and the only decent guns more expensive wtfs the point.. only good price change is styr aug. 5bullet awp is gay too [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Roar^ 11:00 31/3/2004	Yeah hes said that theyre not gonna change the prices as they effect wars too much. So can all stop worrying :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ensnare Atari.Crew 11:01 31/3/2004	lets all hope that this is an april fool and cliffe was too stupid to remember there are 31 days in march. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	patriK 11:01 31/3/2004	good there not gunna do it ;/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	KhAoS meatyballs 11:04 31/3/2004	if it's not broken, don't fix it :( this is gonna cause inbalance [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	cRueL^ Alliance.cs 11:06 31/3/2004	Apparently they aint gonna change anything now. No need to worry... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	BelleH Rush! 11:10 31/3/2004	OMG cs is turning into Supermarket sweep! Look at all those special offers! It's Bargain Hunter's Heaven! Next time your in the super market and hear a Beep Beep it might be Dale Winton's Supermarket Sweep! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	cobbeh fluid element 11:11 31/3/2004	i f***in loved that program [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	[z]Fred zebras 11:15 31/3/2004	I hardly play cs these days but those changes all seem pretty good :o) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Black Cat^ 11:22 31/3/2004	aww look at all the pro gaym0rs cry and whine whine whine ... I swear to god no-one on UKT has any thing positive to say, ever. It's like with every CS update, you all whinge like f* at first, even tho you claim to hate the new changes in CS you continue to play it ..... then a new update comes out and everybody starts whinging "it was fine before why f* it up!" It's not the end of the world, I welcome these changes. CS is a very old game on a very old engine, it's changes like these that keep the community growing and make it a little more interesting. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Aimage Bleeding-edge 11:22 31/3/2004	I was told that the 5clip awp thing was a dead cert about 2/3 weeks ago. ak price up by 5k would suck. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Aimage Bleeding-edge 11:23 31/3/2004	I was told that the 5clip awp thing was a dead cert about 2/3 weeks ago. ak price up by 5hundred would suck. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DidGe Synergy Online 11:28 31/3/2004	yes making the ak $5000 more expensive would suck, thats why they made it £500 more. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DidGe Synergy Online 11:30 31/3/2004	ah, I didnt read ur second one.. i thought u double posted :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	K^\| 11:36 31/3/2004	lolage [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Magic^ 11:44 31/3/2004	making AK expensive galil rounds ! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Headshot^Man` Disturbed 11:47 31/3/2004	hes decided not to change it now [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	[z]Fred zebras 11:51 31/3/2004	Pity [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MadSpunk Last Chance 12:07 31/3/2004	hmm more eco rounds? Boring :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	hihi zebras 12:11 31/3/2004	Cliffe has decided to not change the prices because this would effect the warplay too much. "Thanks for the input everyone! The "good for pubs, bad for matches" aspect has sent us back to the proverbial drawing board. A good solid discussion but changes that are probably simply overly radical. Cheers." [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Sm[o][o]th 12:11 31/3/2004	Cliffe: Thanks for the input everyone! The "good for pubs, bad for matches" aspect has sent us back to the proverbial drawing board. A good solid discussion but changes that are probably simply overly radical. Cheers. ------------- The modififed prices would have been a change for the better imo, but it looks like they are oging to come up with something else :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	hihi zebras 12:11 31/3/2004	what it says on schroet ;-0 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Sm[o][o]th 12:12 31/3/2004	fu hihi :x [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	hihi zebras 12:12 31/3/2004	h0h0 smooth :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	NukleuZ Black Death Warriors 12:14 31/3/2004	dont read the comments then black cat [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	NukleuZ Black Death Warriors 12:18 31/3/2004	also when are they gonna make the radar more opaque? i thought that was sposed to be done ages ago.. hate having to look down at the ground to see the radar [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Carb theb0g 12:21 31/3/2004	Bit late seeing as the SK site has already stated that they will not be changing the prices for the time being. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DidGe Synergy Online 12:26 31/3/2004	radar should be matt black. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Hunter 12:35 31/3/2004	Seems that I'm the only one who woulda liked to have seen the changes! Would like to see a shakeup after all this time. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DrfL 12:39 31/3/2004	What about some new decent maps! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rhyzz Nocturne 12:51 31/3/2004	If anything the M4 price needs dropping to about 2750. It would mean alot more gun rounds and less eco's. as CT you shouldnt have to eco twice to get a gun + armour, then if you lose that round, its eco time again. Its stupid, on a T balanced map, the 4th round is far too important. Also the Deagle accuracy should be put up a little bit, it's far too random at long range [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rei 12:55 31/3/2004	imo, there are more important changes that need to be made to cs than the money. Flashbang bugs, skywalking, killing when not looking at the target, the still common use of hacks (try to make it less common plz), the no_spec name bugs. Those are just a few off the top of my head, u know...the money is NOT an issue in my opinion... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Del` Sniper's Alley 13:02 31/3/2004	Imo this is prob sensible. Anything that encourages more than just the same 3 guns/ 3 pistols being used all the time, every match is good imo. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Del` Sniper's Alley 13:03 31/3/2004	Doesn't change the fact they should be working on other stuff instead of this though. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	KhAoS meatyballs 13:07 31/3/2004	inflation is creeping in everywhere :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 13:08 31/3/2004	If anything the M4 price needs dropping to about 2750. It would mean alot more gun rounds and less eco's. as CT you shouldnt have to eco twice to get a gun + armour, then if you lose that round, its eco time again. Its stupid, on a T balanced map, the 4th round is far too important. Also the Deagle accuracy should be put up a little bit, it's far too random at long range I agree with Rhyzz 100%, kill me now 8( And I agree with pretty much everyone when they say that they should concentrate on other things, it' f***ing laughable that some of the bugs remain while they think of yet more worthless "additions". Call me a whiner by all means Black Cat, but when some bugs are coming up to 3 years old it kinda makes a mockery that Cliffe would ignore all the previous feedback, then demand it on his terms for such idiotic changes. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Landen Point Five-O 13:11 31/3/2004	^ I agree. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	HeaDBulB 13:11 31/3/2004	good to see them looking towards the CS community to find ways in making the game better xD [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Noah- r4ngers 13:14 31/3/2004	INCREASE DEAGLE ACCURACY AND FIX THE SILLY RADAR THANKYOU. also rhyzz is right tho i hate to admit it :D! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	N3M- endeffect 13:14 31/3/2004	bring back jumping. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	N3M- endeffect 13:16 31/3/2004	I think flashbangs should be rehashed :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Del` Sniper's Alley 13:28 31/3/2004	On second thoughts they should be making the s*** guns better, so they're as good as the price they cost, and are equally viable. I agree they need to do something about flashbangs, the period of blindness if one goes off at your feet is far too long. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Carb theb0g 13:39 31/3/2004	I'm loving the flash tricks...flash behind yourself run out and own them when they turn away from the flash. Works every time! The prices of guns should be bottom of the list of things that need changing:- Cheating Hitboxes Netcode Steam Model bugs Gun accuracy Flash bugs in certain maps Sound bugs (cancelling sound out by a nade switch) Map bugs (getting stuck) All these things should be above changing/adding/removing any maps, guns, prices of guns, aesthetics etc. He asks the community but in the end how many people heard about the shield coming in and didn't want it? About 80% of the community. VALVe would do better for themselves and their rep if they actually didn't update CS for a longer time and instead worked on resolving the big issues. Then they could release one top notch version that would solve the vast majority of the issues this game faces. The community would be happier with them and the game might start coming back to resembling its former (better) states. [ Score: -1, pointless \| Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	FragMentor 13:40 31/3/2004	some1 stab cliffe until he gets rid of the bomb/defuse = 3 frags bs. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Roar^ 13:46 31/3/2004	tbh fix all the bugs, especially the flash bangs. Also i never understood why with a flashbang you only really get the flash part, wheres the huge bang? :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Sm[o][o]th 13:47 31/3/2004	some1 stab cliffe until he gets rid of the bomb/defuse = 3 frags bs. ---- Why do you care?? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Carb theb0g 13:50 31/3/2004	I would agree with that FragMentor. Saddest thing was the n00bs that would TK you for the bomb because they wanted the frags. They should put in an extra column in the scoreboard to say how many defuses or bomb plants the player has made if they wanted to 'reward' people for planting (and blowing up) the bomb or defusing. [ Score: -1, abusive \| Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	hihi zebras 14:03 31/3/2004	or maybe just give u one frag for a defuse or succesfull plant/explosion :P 3 is a bit stupid [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Montaver theb0g 14:12 31/3/2004	things like hitboxs, weapon accuracies, cheating etc will never be resolved, so why everyone still complains about them is beyond me. No matter what valve do, they will never get it right for the majority of the community, so why should they jump to it everytime someone complains? I dont remember ever paying for CS, and ive had alot of good play from it, sure its getting worse, but hey, its much easier to critiscise than praise, which is why all everyone ever does is whine (i'm just as guilty of it myself.) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Sm[o][o]th 14:17 31/3/2004	Hitboxes CAN be fixed tho ¬_¬ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	cobbeh fluid element 14:19 31/3/2004	ur face cant [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ShekkyBoy 14:20 31/3/2004	Why does the 'successful bomb detonation/defuse = 3 frags' need changing? It's not people who read UKT care about their frag/death ratios anymore, since 90% of the readers probably have the skill to decimate a public server anyhow. If you care about your score so much, that you get angry when the second highest on the scoreboard overtakes you because he/she defused the bomb, then go play Quake3/UT2004 DM and rack up a good frag count there. I would've thought most people would concentrate on improving their teamwork and ability to predict opponent's decisions than being top of the server. Besides, getting those free 3 frags is the only way forward for me. :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ablation contact! 14:45 31/3/2004	Only reason bomb frags irritate me is because it makes it impossible to tell whether or not a POV demo is going to be interesting based solely on the score. But hey, that isn't a problem anyway since now hardly anyone bothers recording as demos lag CS so much! :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Bard- 14:47 31/3/2004	Wouldnt increasing the accuracy of Deagle at long range inbalance the pistols? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Stevenson 14:47 31/3/2004	the respawn bug p***es me off, needs sorting :\| [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fraZie contact! 14:47 31/3/2004	bloody leave it for shags sake [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Bard- 14:48 31/3/2004	and yeh i agree bomb frags are stupid. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Kemistry fluid element 15:14 31/3/2004	i agree 100% with Carb about sorting out the real issues like cheating, hitboxes etc than changing the money around. I personally think the money system is ok for now, although something should be done about CT's ecoing 3 times, then if they lose the 4th round having to eco again, possibly twice to get another chance of winning a round [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	AGeNt7eVeN Clan Dirty 15:15 31/3/2004	also when are they gonna make the radar more opaque? i thought that was sposed to be done ages ago.. hate having to look down at the ground to see the radar Definatly the biggest thing that needs fixing! I also think Deagle accuracy is Perfect, show me one person on earth that can get a 1 shot hs on a person running in front of him at 50ft usuing a Deagle! The chance of hitting a person running with a handgun is something stupid like 7/100 and even if u hit them its likely to not be fatal [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Montaver theb0g 15:17 31/3/2004	actually ye they could fix the radar :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	HeNdie Void 15:39 31/3/2004	thought it was just me who had to look at the floor to see radar 8) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ssj 15:41 31/3/2004	Someone whose good with a deagle atm with all its randomness can take down a whole team with it, altho it is very random, is the accuracy as improved, T pistol round with 5 deagles would take down CT's easily, and Deagle ecos would most of the time win. Deagle is good because of its randomness, sometimes its sick, sometimes its s***! but they should defintely fix the model bugs, perhaps move the colt to 2900, aug to 3100, and keep the AK the same. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	swo0p 15:46 31/3/2004	They should stop changing cs and instead add to it with new maps or new weapons (forgetting the awful sheild) or correct the problems with bugs. And make a decent anti-cheat mod or sumat. Pah. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Carb theb0g 15:49 31/3/2004	lol I've been doing that moving your radar over a wall thing to see where people are for years, its just become force of habit but you do end up looking at the floor or at a wall just to find out where your teammates are =/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	g00z quintessential 16:09 31/3/2004	lol sometimes i fire 7 bullets and hit nothing. Other times u get like 3 hs's vs rifles. Tis all fun :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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