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	Pen- 17:20 17/1/2003	Shocking news [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Antmoo 17:20 17/1/2003	love the title, shame about the news [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 17:21 17/1/2003	i did the title...well actually me and a guy called Leaderzzz :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rage 17:22 17/1/2003	lol Myers title is pure genius ;D not good news though :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 17:23 17/1/2003	We left eSport pro right from the start and have done ok. Couple of mousepad sponsors, couple of servers, webpage, webhosting, bouncers and all travel to lans paid for. To see eSports pro trying to enforce things after teams have signed up just makes us all the more glad that we said byebye ;-) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	wL.P!@Z 17:25 17/1/2003	LOL we been with em from start, well i say been with them but i dont think i have had even an e-mail from them. Unless your actually staff there then your team is not gunna get s*** tbh. Notice the teams who get the stuff so far have members helping out there. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DaKid 17:31 17/1/2003	I don't think eSport pro are being off at all. They are offering services to clans that, unless I'm greatly mistaken, are paid for only in the carrying of the eSport name and thus recognition for their company in the online gaming marketplace. How does it then make financial or business sense to allow other companies to also be promoted by the same clan, and thus diluting eSport's brand/coverage? Even assuming that I'm mistaken and they do charge an amount for their services, would it not be unreasonable to assume that if you strike a deal with one promoter, then they can expect you to remain loyal to them in return for their services? While there may be a sound premise and ideal behind the company, in that they wish to promote Counter-Strike and online gaming to a greater audience, at the end of the day they're a professional organisation and must maintain a business-like attitude, even if that seems cold to an outsider. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 17:35 17/1/2003	"would it not be unreasonable to assume that if you strike a deal with one promoter, then they can expect you to remain loyal to them in return for their services?" Not if there's nothing in your contract about it and you are told you are allowed to pursue your own sponsorship, no. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	-m0o.Rob- 17:36 17/1/2003	dakid was it their goal to "help gaming achieve wider recognition as a sport" or some s*** or was it to gain "undiluted advertisement" [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	emfive 17:41 17/1/2003	According to our good friend Paul, esport-pro encourage approaching direct sponsers (although as XGS pay for what they sponser you it is direct) but to have a company commit to what they offer seems unfair. XGS promised webhosting/domains to a wide load of clans, came within first few days. They gave a 13th-16th of january date for servers, they came. Now we have recieved an offer concerning bouncers which I have full confidence on recieving. It may not be much at the high end but they fulfill their commitments, esport-pro have got us mouse pads after months of delays; we've written reviews and are still advertising everglide. As far as were concerned that fulfills our agreement and as we signed these 'contracts' which have no mention of choosing esport-pro over a company offering a wide range of sponsership deals we've moved on. Funny to see clans predicting the esport-pro contracts would screw the clan over and not the orginsation. Ultimatums are not the way to go my friends! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Mike 17:42 17/1/2003	xgs look professional by explaining private details to ukt! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Marcus` 17:43 17/1/2003	meakin go bugger off and scam some other clans [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SuperNick` 17:44 17/1/2003	um.. why does this warrant a news post? esport can do whatever the hell they like, and if that involves telling clans they want their full support, then they should be entitled to that, given what they provide for the clan. that's just how the business world works, guess it comes as a shock to people like ripper though. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Messiah Game2XS.Monkey Magic 17:46 17/1/2003	it needs posting so Doz and Nick can say the usual, bullet players can say 'eCrooks-pro' and I can say something worthwhile like 'Soup' [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Kidni 17:49 17/1/2003	The details of this post are taken completely out of context and also from a private conversation without my consent. Esport Pro have provide us with a high level of support and we are very happy with it. Xgsport also supported us to the best of their ability and for that we are grateful too. We made the choice and are sticking by it. If you cant find news without being underhand about it, dont bother at all [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 17:50 17/1/2003	I like chicken and sweetcorn Campbells, what's your favourite variety Craig? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	emfive 17:50 17/1/2003	SN, they gave contracts with nothing against this, if anything its a warning to the community against esports-pro. Also shows that they feel threatend by a non profit company offering the basics and living up to it. The fact that an 'esports company' is bribing teams to leave another is quite intresting. If all else fails it warrants a good general ukt flaming. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Messiah Game2XS.Monkey Magic 17:50 17/1/2003	tomato, only. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Messiah Game2XS.Monkey Magic 17:51 17/1/2003	but not that heinz s***, proper tomato [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 17:51 17/1/2003	Really? Too much tomato soup makes me ill. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Kidni 17:52 17/1/2003	emfive at no point were we 'bribed' or given ultimatums or given an incentive to leave xgs [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 17:54 17/1/2003	I think what Ripper, and lc were baffled about, SN, was the fact that XGSports are basically their own company. They don't give out sponsorship from companies as such, but they give their own products away - BNCs, servers, webhosting, and so on. To be told that this isn't right, and that they should pick between one company and the other, kind of annoyed/bemused lc. It's not great business practise to try and force all the competition (who are, btw, extremely nice guys who are gamers themselves and genuinely trying to help clans) out of the market, showing that it's more for personal gain rather than for the ethos on their website proclaiming the furtherment of eSports. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Az RemOte.uK 17:57 17/1/2003	hmmmm [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SuperNick 18:01 17/1/2003	lets all post logs of random conversations that mean nothing1111 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Gristy 18:06 17/1/2003	i think supernick should be a newsposter cos he dont like nothing anybody else posts [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 18:06 17/1/2003	my log was deleted at the request of kidni, i'd like to know why he demanded those logs to be deleted though [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SuperNick 18:06 17/1/2003	er nick, business companies all over the world do that a thousand times a day to each other, you don't see intel sharing products with amd ffs. to sit there and think esport pro and xgsports are in it to be nice guys and give free stuff to any old clan out there is just naive.. everyone starting a business providing products is looking for gain.. be it advertising, money, popularity and so on. i don't think esport pro are doing anything wrong by asking for full support from the clans they sponsor. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SuperNick 18:07 17/1/2003	yes gristy your usual logic to the max, go grow some more fungus on your arm. unless of course having private details of your clan taken out of context and lied about on a news post and having the company that sponsors you badmouthed is indeed a good news post? g [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Anisty 18:07 17/1/2003	Aurora were not bribed to leave, they just felt they had better options with ESP which is fair enough and we regret that any action of my own, may have pulled them into this. XGSports does not want to see clans being torn so anyone who wants to leave in order to maintain their esp clan status is not going to be hindered or offered more to keep them here. Someone mentioned that we are shocked that esp are acting like a business, and it should come as no surprise to us. Well, it should, this is supposed to be a community but every time i look around someone is trying to cut our legs out from underneath us again. We have never broken a promise, we have never claimed to do something we dont, and we will not let esport-pro continue to damage us. We are holding a community meeting tonight at 7:30pm addressing this and many other issues. Please read www.xtragaming.com/meeting.txt for details. If you have any questions at all feel free to mail me at midwinter@xtragaming.com and i will answer as best as i can. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Kidni 18:09 17/1/2003	myers said "my log was deleted at the request of kidni, i'd like to know why he demanded those logs to be deleted though" I did, to you. I gave you the reason. no point in publicising it [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Gristy 18:12 17/1/2003	well im sorry supernick i read that wrong and apologize no need to fckin make rude personal comments like that tho [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SuperNick 18:13 17/1/2003	well it was reactionary to being insulted by you in the first place.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	judice 18:13 17/1/2003	Well, I think you are confusing things :P esport pro's attitude is perfectly understandable, because it doesn't make a lot of sense to have the same clan being represented by two different companies. From what I read, esport pro just told Last chance to decide themselves, can't see the problem on this. About the RTCW clan, as they are "top", it's rather acceptable that esport pro want to keep representing them, so why not offering them a server to ensure that? my first comment here, weeee!! Messiah and Rhyzz suck big hairy black c**ksss! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Chris0 18:13 17/1/2003	Now we have recieved an offer concerning bouncers which I have full confidence on recieving What is it with clans getting bncs? Makes them leet or something? :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	w1cked^ Kirby-eSports 18:13 17/1/2003	"yes gristy your usual logic to the max, go grow some more fungus on your arm." LOLOLOLOLOLOL [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Messiah Game2XS.Monkey Magic 18:14 17/1/2003	jose u little slut, im gonna hunt you down [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	w1cked^ Kirby-eSports 18:15 17/1/2003	BNC's are s*** and pointless, but who would turn down a free 1? :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SuperNick 18:17 17/1/2003	ahh i'm sorry gristy, someone on irc said you thought i was insulting esp, cleared up. :g [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Anisty 18:17 17/1/2003	XGSports provides bncs, because almost every clan that came to us for sponsorship wanted to know if we were going to supply them :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	w1cked^ Kirby-eSports 18:19 17/1/2003	hi supernick!!!1 :Ú) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 18:22 17/1/2003	yeh u said u wanted them deleted cos u were being used to prove a point which i dont think is correct. Care to explain that? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Gristy 18:24 17/1/2003	thx sn. that must of been Craig so thx craig to ;) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Gristy 18:26 17/1/2003	i can feel that paul is writing a longgggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg comment. cos i am a wizard [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	w1cked^ Kirby-eSports 18:26 17/1/2003	http://www30.brinkster.com/bumholi0/heatonshot HeatoN owns! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Messiah Game2XS.Monkey Magic 18:27 17/1/2003	he sure does [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Paul 18:27 17/1/2003	Hmmmm....Well...looks like I'm the bad guy again. Competition is good and how I choose to run esp is mine and my partners business. xgs have started in the right way in my opinion, and I have no intention of trying to "damage" them. A little lighthearted banter is just fun and a bit of commercial sport is just the way it is. On the xgs or esport pro thing, I felt it was unfair to command two sets of resource for one team. That was our decision, nothing more. Aurora were never bribed, the thought is silly. xgs make a brave move buying a server to create a community and more should support them, but dipping in your pocket each month for £200 + VAT will hurt and will require some income. I two, like xgs, took the helping teams a little too "Blue Sky"; but the sad facts are that I want to now see some commitment from the teams. 100 Everglide packs sent out and only a handful of reviews (SCEE r0x). I could go on, but now I know the only way to help the teams is by some sponsor deals that we will get. Like the Plantronics one I have just re-negotiated; and by getting big discounts to enable them to have servers, travel, hardware etc at a much lower cost. eSport Pro is now living in the real world and many teams should also wake up and smell the coffee. Sponsor deals are done once with many teams and the teams don't do as they said…end of sponsor. Soon no sponsors left. So any way I am not trying to slag anyone off. I had enough of that. ESport pro will deliver some nice things for teams in the next two weeks, watch out. Just to clear something up. What is it exactly xgs do? How would Anisty describe what type of set up xgs is? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Redfive 18:27 17/1/2003	Myers instead of being an old gossip, why dont you pm Kidni in irc, im assuming u know that pm stands for private message, and ask him what you want to know if you think it has anything whatsoever to do with you. Otherwise stop trying to create problems where there isnt any. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Gristy 18:29 17/1/2003	told you [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SuperNick 18:30 17/1/2003	haha psychic man [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Paul 18:32 17/1/2003	Speech marks fooked it up...sorry :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Gristy 18:34 17/1/2003	well he asked us how to make a line gap on ukt in esp room. so it was more of a educated guess ¬_¬ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Anisty 18:39 17/1/2003	Paul, there is NO xgsports or esport pro thing. There is only a 'paul' thing. This is your decision so do not involve us in it - by the way your account of our budget is some way off the mark as well but it was a nice try to undermine us. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	deebo Mel Gibson UKTerrorist 18:41 17/1/2003	Its my personal view that esp should support less clans so it can offer them more, rather than offering lots of clans little. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SuperNick 18:44 17/1/2003	everyone undermines something new. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	deebo Mel Gibson UKTerrorist 19:01 17/1/2003	/me notices the Esport-pro banner disappear from the site [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Paul 19:04 17/1/2003	Sorry Anisty.....didn't mean anything buy it....but maybe some sport would make it more fun. J/k. What time isur meeting...can I attend? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	gand 19:04 17/1/2003	Paul - "I two, like xgs, took the helping teams a little too "Blue Sky"" its 'too' not 'two' mr.PR/manager ;) /analretentiveness off [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	gand 19:09 17/1/2003	and its by, not buy.. if u want to promote esport as soemhting pro.. i think the manager or wotever of the 'leading sponosr company' in the world should avoid confusing simple three letter words.. maybe its just me but its quite ridiculous talking about being pro and stuff.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 19:10 17/1/2003	lol well spotted deebo [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Messiah Game2XS.Monkey Magic 19:17 17/1/2003	gand i dont understand, your typos make it unreadable [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	judice 19:18 17/1/2003	weeee i just love british humour /me Britcom and UKT fan :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MiG 19:23 17/1/2003	I think you should lay off Paul. I see the amount of effort he has put into esport-pro and things have turned out good/bad. Is it his fault things were delivered late? Are XGS trying to negotiate deals with such brands as plantronics or gainward? I've noticed UKT is very biased and everything seems to sway the admins way. Slagging clans and pasting s*** like this in a news post because you happen to have stopped dealing with esport-pro. Very sad indeed Nice idea to have some sort of discount thing if we bought products through esport-pro though Paul :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SuperNick 19:23 17/1/2003	yeah gand, you can hardly talk. letters as words and typos that make you look like you never learned hand to eye coordination, let alone grammar skills. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 19:24 17/1/2003	"er nick, business companies all over the world do that a thousand times a day to each other, you don't see intel sharing products with amd ffs." But Intel/AMD are companies with massive revenues who try to grow and corner the market for self gain. eSp profess to help gaming, and aren't doing it for self gain. There's a difference, a very big one. XGS are technically a business, but they're doing it out of their own pocket for benefit of their teams - more of a non-profit organisation. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Del` Sniper's Alley 19:34 17/1/2003	Pld Kidders and SN I say [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	decrepit Croydon 19:39 17/1/2003	surely esport-pro can do whatever the f*** they wanna do, if the clan doesnt like it theyre under no obligation to take the deal? Seems reasonable that they shouldn't want to share clans with the competition? Also i think its debatable whether competition will "surely make gaming stronger" [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 20:02 17/1/2003	false promises were made, end of story, bye off out [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	gand 20:28 17/1/2003	uhm i'm s*** at typing true.. still can't see how its got to do with me commenting about someone who tries to show esport as professional, and confusing 'too' and 'two' or other 2nd grade words like 'bye' and 'by' ... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SuperNick 20:38 17/1/2003	heh that's beside the point ripper. You shouldn't use a british counter-strike news post to slate a company.. nor should you lie about the decisions why aurora decided to split with xgsports.. Posting about things that were told not to be told to anyone else either isn't really helping your situation but i guess that's just really how the media world is. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	KaM 20:40 17/1/2003	Dude [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Loxam Lite 21:05 17/1/2003	Personally I think it is better if clans actually take the initiative and 'professionalise' themselves to an extent. All this esports.pro/XGS stuff is good if you like things being done for you, but im always a bit dubious of other people messing with stuff you have created, etc. Kensai decided before xmas to try and 'professionalise' our attitude and presentation to become more attractive to sponsors and take the game a lil more seriously, and currently all i can say is it is paying off. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	t0m 21:07 17/1/2003	free stuff [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Paul 21:12 17/1/2003	ryu has hit the nail on the head.....esp is trying to help teams help themselves more.....become better organised...but most teams cant even fill out an esp clan history and get the members to join there team so the team has members when they apply to esp...there is a real lack of commitment within the teams to start with, or is it lazyness i dont know. Sorry my typin/spelling is s***....I do too much of it :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Loxam Lite 21:18 17/1/2003	Maybe its due to a real lack of commitment with your typing skills... ;) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Messiah Game2XS.Monkey Magic 21:23 17/1/2003	Get back to your professionalising ryu [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Huckan Boys From The Dwarf 21:54 17/1/2003	pay 15 quid and u can all have yo own mouse mats! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 21:59 17/1/2003	didn't kensai recruit antmoo? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Gristy 22:41 17/1/2003	oh why did this get posted btw. cos it seems that anybody who would be intrested in this news article would probally know everything in it. so apart from crying about his clan [sorry steve ;)] on ukt i dont see much point in the post tbh :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Anisty 22:46 17/1/2003	now then who does gristy work for again? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Weebull 23:03 17/1/2003	I don't see why there's such a great desire to be "proffesional" when we're clearly not, in any shape or form. :\| [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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