de_dust_pcg

Posted by Myers at 14:05 18/5/2005.

This one slipped through the proverbial news-net during our many long hours of procrastination. Dave Johnston, the UK map-making legend behind the likes of de_dust, de_cbble and de_dust2 has recently released his latest map, de_dust_pcg.

As the title suggests the map was created in association with PCGamer mag UK and features many similar textures to his previous works. The map, designed for CS: Source, is relatively small in comparison to dust2 and Cbble with CTs/Ts meeting very early on to battle over two bombsite areas.

"The interesting thing about de_dust_pcg, compared to de_dust, is how the Terrorists have the theoretical upper hand - they have more positions to attack from in the yellow area, and need only consider one point for CTs to appear (the double arches). However, this is only true if their defence on the green area is up to par. Once CTs break through there, defending the bomb at site B becomes much tougher since CTs have 4 points in which to attack."

After a brief playabout with a few bots the map appears to play well and could well become a competitive tournament map for any upcoming CS: Source maps, certainly a welcome change from the 5 - 6 maps current being played in CS 1.6 competitions. The map was made to accompany Dave Johnston's CS: Source map-making tutorial appearing in PCGamer 149, so feel free to swipe a copy of that from your local newsagents. Dave Johnston's blog is also a good read and he provides some interesting insight into several of his own maps.

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Myers
Saviour of UKT
UKTerrorist
14:41 18/5/2005
i'm actually really impressed with this map, and the full bot support is pretty decent. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
14:46 18/5/2005
Could be interesting, he makes decent maps and definitely doesn't go out of his way to f*** 'em up like narby [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Sunman^
15:03 18/5/2005
Looks good, it wouldn't actually be that bad of a game if they just ported in the old maps, and made as little changes to them as possible. (Anyone who's played inf and has had the distinct misfortune of going to B will know what I mean)


Oh! and the fact they should tell everyone that interlope sorts those ridiculous hit boxes out.

DoZ ps this is for you m8............................................... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
b0sH
twisted Reality
15:03 18/5/2005
Looks a very decent map, but it's made for a less than decent game 8(
Any chance of a 1.6 conversion? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
15:06 18/5/2005
Looks promising from a quick play. A lot of those irritating barrels but almost all of them are out of the way unlike on d2:css (remove them entirely and it'd be fantabulous), and not overly complicated and picturesque like inferno:css. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
bigwest
15:07 18/5/2005
I felt bored as soon as the map loaded , must be because of the dust textures. played too much of source dust and source dust2 already.

Actually played a source pcw on inferno the other day and was suprised how fun it was!

Any game where you can shoot fish or throw grenades in the pond to kill them has a thumbs up from me :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Makaveli-
feo
15:08 18/5/2005
its a tad small, although id say the map is quite balanced ... CT spawn and T spawn is so close together [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
f|ame
15:12 18/5/2005
die source die! xD [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Sunman^
15:18 18/5/2005
Ah, I see the provos still haven't grasped how to construct a sentence then flame.
:D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
SuzieFish
15:29 18/5/2005
Myers what ever happend to your words about ACON5. did they go something like "im going to hide from this one till it all blows over?" [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Samurai
Irish Connection.UK
15:29 18/5/2005
Source is actually good is the servers ticrate is 100 and you set cl_interp & cl_interpolate to 0, I find the hitboxes more accurate than 1.6. Unfortunatly 99% of servers run at the default ticrate 33 thats why it seems so s***!

http://justbi0.de/CSS_hitboxes.jpg [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
15:36 18/5/2005
and interpolate 0 makes the game play as tho you've just been face f***ed with epilepsy and are sat on a gyrating black man [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Sunman^
15:47 18/5/2005
Nah DoZ not when you actually find a server with ticrate 100+, it's not half as bad. And it’s either play it a little jerky but actually hit what you aim at, or play it smoothly and hit nothing. I'll take option Numero Uno. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Myers
Saviour of UKT
UKTerrorist
15:48 18/5/2005
actually suziefish it was a busy week after acon5, so i had a lot on, then afterwards no-one really seemed that fussed anymore anyway. If people want to blame me for what happened at acon5 then fair enough, but i work as part of an admin team and the admin team as a whole makes important decisions. I'm willing to take responsibility if that's what you're looking for, but it doesn't really change anything. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
15:54 18/5/2005
I'd rather Valve just not f*** up in the first place and pay attention to improvements the community wants. The fact that 1.6 is continuing to grow while css isn't shows that their approach is f***ed ;-) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
reddy
gameSlave
15:54 18/5/2005
played it ages ago - the maps way to big, its s***. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Myers
Saviour of UKT
UKTerrorist
16:02 18/5/2005
...it was released a couple of days ago reddy [ Score: 2, funny | Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
monkE
euthanasia
16:05 18/5/2005
...and everyone is commenting how small it is [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Exocet
RemOte.uK
16:05 18/5/2005
and it looks pretty small from that overview... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Exocet
RemOte.uK
16:06 18/5/2005
shut up phil [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
tiz
16:08 18/5/2005
That maps not half as good as as_tundra [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Sunman^
16:11 18/5/2005
prianesi [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
brenje
reSonance
16:31 18/5/2005
You just know this is asking for one of those well written, intellectually inspiring post's that we all so love, about how good cs:s is, from MonkH! ;D

Wonder if this will become a tournement map, when 1.6 dies. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
CyaNide`
16:45 18/5/2005
had a quick look, its seems ok. could be a tournament map if alot of servers start 2 put it on there map rotation. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
monkE
euthanasia
17:01 18/5/2005
i understand that you respect my opinion max, but theres no need to just copy me... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Exocet
RemOte.uK
17:09 18/5/2005
:D rofl!!!!!!!!!!!!! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Venomous
BLACKLiGHT
17:18 18/5/2005
looks like a decent pcw map, cs source looks quality, shame it plays like s*** [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ripper
Rush!
17:39 18/5/2005
hey, its quite small [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
tiz
17:45 18/5/2005
Did your bird type that? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
17:46 18/5/2005
He doesn't have a bird











































He loves the c**k [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Sunman^
17:51 18/5/2005
1.6 won't die :D just won't have the well established names in its scene that we have today. It won't die, like doz said 1.6 still attracts more people to it than source. Only time it will completely die is if steam chucks it

There are more international cs1.6 events in this day and age than at any other time in cs history. weg2 with a purse of over $400,000 speaks for itself, not to mention acon, eswc, cpl and wcg and numerous more that I can’t take the time to research :D~
So I don't see how people can say it’s dieing?

Well known people who stop playing a game does not mean its dead, the skill level may drop with regards to lower level teams in csgn and or ed but in context with the
Powerhouse clan’s cs1.6 is still very much alive. In fact more teams break through internationally now than before icsu now mtw.ati for one, unknown last year and have just beat NiP on LAN.

Also a person migrating over to another game does not mean its dead.

And on a side note, what was meant to be a light hearted reply has come across as obnoxious and lengthy :D good day.

ps: don't turn the post into a dead/not dead post as a result of my idiocy :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
siLki
17:54 18/5/2005
cs is dead [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
17:57 18/5/2005
Rock is deader than dead
Shock is all in your head
Your sex and your dope is all that we're fed
So f*** all your protests and put them to bed [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
siLki
18:52 18/5/2005
marilyn manson is cool [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Makaveli-
feo
18:56 18/5/2005
look what you have done Myers ¬_¬ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
brenje
reSonance
19:07 18/5/2005
Sunman, i'm very aware that cs1.6 isnt dead and i infact agree with everything you just said but i meant if/when cs:source replaces 1.6. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Valar`
The Anti-DoZ
19:10 18/5/2005
new teams break through in 1.6 all the time because the games so f***ing random. THAT is why SK/NiP stopped dominating [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
monkE
euthanasia
19:11 18/5/2005
no its not its cos vilden is p*** poor [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Venomous
BLACKLiGHT
19:33 18/5/2005
what big phil said, vilden is the s***test pro gamer i ever did see! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
alicat!
20:54 18/5/2005
vilden was mint for EYE, its not all his fault NiP are s***. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ZeoX
03:20 19/5/2005
vildens amazing, hyper and ahl are the weak links in that team [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Hotshot
Choke
10:13 19/5/2005
the oracle has spoken [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Valar`
The Anti-DoZ
10:55 19/5/2005
all the haters lol. you all think hes s***, or someone else is s***, yet they're all miles better than any of you. doesn't really put you in a position to judge their ability does it? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
10:56 19/5/2005
ShaQ is the best player in the UK [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Venomous
BLACKLiGHT
11:46 19/5/2005
I hate to compare cs to a sport, but you could say when big john motson says a free kick is poor, he couldnt do any better! We can all say vilden's s*** compared to the other pro's if we want mr valar!
Also ShaQ IS the best player in europe and his dog is well sexy. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ZaG
Online Multiplayer Gaming
13:06 19/5/2005
big betty the dog [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Valar`
The Anti-DoZ
13:32 19/5/2005
ok this is bent now, i only wanted to start an abuse and flame war cos theres been nothing fun for ages :|

but... my ie at work stopped logging me into the site automatically and i keep posting stuff only to be told to login. anyone know how i can reset the stored password for the page or even store a password for a page?

so as im here, f*** being subtle. kenny you s*** c*** dont talk to me about cs you diseased donkey arse looking mother f***er! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Venomous
BLACKLiGHT
13:43 19/5/2005
lol :( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Sunman^
14:33 19/5/2005
horrible attempt at a flame val.... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
mebR
15:56 19/5/2005
make sure you use www.ukterrorist.com not .co.uk valary [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Venomous
BLACKLiGHT
16:11 19/5/2005
if i wasnt so sexy, and you wasnt such an e-pal, i might cry :((( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Valar`
The Anti-DoZ
19:08 19/5/2005
both are screwed mebr ;-)

and that wasn't a flame sun, it was more frustration!

/me hugs kenneth [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ins
19:48 19/5/2005
end of day, y'all w**kers ;) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ashwee
19:50 19/5/2005
port it over to 1.6 so i can pretend to give a f*** [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Sunman^
21:24 19/5/2005
lol best comment hand down ashwee. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Sunman^
21:24 19/5/2005
lol best comment hands down ashwee. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Valar`
The Anti-DoZ
21:38 19/5/2005
no need to tell him twice tho ;-) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Del`
Sniper's Alley
21:45 19/5/2005
Was thinking woohoo until I read it was for source. What about us luddites, I paid for half-life Christmas 1998 and I'm not paying a penny more till I'm long in my grave. They'll have to rob the steam subscription cost from my stinking corpse, the pikey Valve b******s. And if I ever catch them down our council estate me and the boys will have something to say.

I only bought the game seven sodding years ago!!! Is that how long they're supposed to last in these days of speed-addled retards masquerading as kids, f***ed out of their minds on zoloft to keep their ADD under control?

When I were a lad games lasted a lifetime. I paid 50p for a cup and ball on a string when I were barely tall enough to reach t'counter and it kept me amused for hours at a time, days even. I still play with him just as much now, don't I? *yesss, yesss you doooooo*

See, he likes you. Oh, what was I talking about? CS: Source it was. What a f***ing disgrace!!!!!!!!! Those Valve c***s! What a complete sack of [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
brenje
reSonance
22:42 19/5/2005
of? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Exocet
RemOte.uK
23:16 19/5/2005
he left it up to us to decide bren. it could be anything your heart desires.. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
MonkH
23:24 19/5/2005
<insert well written, intellectually inspiring post here>

brenje u still playing s***ty wow ? :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Valar`
The Anti-DoZ
00:18 20/5/2005
that would be out of character for u monkh ;-) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
02:24 20/5/2005
Out of character? Only the intellectual part of his posting would be [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
monkE
euthanasia
13:16 20/5/2005
wasnt that the point of what valar said? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
reddy
gameSlave
15:40 20/5/2005
have you actually stood and looked around that top righthand corner of the map? Its massive! too much open play, its like a dm map. From what i recall, the bombpoints are in awkward positions and have really steep ramps leading up to them, which makes for only one real entrance to the site.

I think its pap, but hey, everyone has their own view on a map, this one just doenst do it for me [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Sunman^
17:07 20/5/2005
Noticed I wrote hand and not hands val, tryed to hit stop before it posted, which I thought I did. However It seems I didn't catch it quite in time, thanks for pointing it out and making me look sooooooooooooo small val, you c**k!

much <3 [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
brenje
reSonance
21:08 20/5/2005
lol nah Luke, i dont play any games anymore mate, just a little dota when i've got time :(

What about you, still playing wow and source? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Mango
21:11 20/5/2005
lmao Del` [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
XaseR
16:49 23/5/2005
dont kid urself. cs:s will grow, because you got to remember that hl2 attracts loads of people to it, not all who know anything about cs. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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