Counter-Strike 1.6 Beta Changelist

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	shads theb0g 02:42 15/1/2003	Added zoom & health in HLTV. FINALLY actually, theres s* loads of bug fixes in there that have taken AGES to be fixed but i'm glad they finally will be (especially all the HLTV s*) first time ever i'm looking forward to a cs release, only thing i don't like is that it looks like they're locking interp but unlocking it for HLTV as i bet some lame fag will find a way to exploit that and change interp in normal game too the ONLY thing i don't like the look of is the enemy deaths showing up on scoreboard during round whilst u're still alive coz i always use that:/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 02:43 15/1/2003	ok i wrote that wrong stfu its 2:43 u know wot i meant [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blokefish 02:57 15/1/2003	You suck :> [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	hia why op? 03:00 15/1/2003	so true so true suxor ;] [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 03:01 15/1/2003	ffs someone edit it :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ohhhh changes 03:04 15/1/2003	bomb frags hmmmmmmmmmm, well it may change public (though i think bomb defuser/planter should get more money not frags) but i cant see much of a clan war impact. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 03:05 15/1/2003	(03:02:11) (@shads) funniest thing (03:02:15) (@shads) will be tking to get the defuse (03:02:16) (@shads) for frags (03:02:17) (@shads) coz like (03:02:17) (@Stan) yes (03:02:18) (@Stan) lol (03:02:18) (@necland) yeah (03:02:19) (@shads) -1 for tk (03:02:20) (@necland) lol (03:02:21) (@Stan) or some nubbin (03:02:21) (@shads) +3 for defuse (03:02:21) (@shads) gg (03:02:22) (@shads) :D (03:02:23) (@necland) or tking bomb planter (03:02:24) (@Stan) who wants to defuse (03:02:31) (@Stan) but dont have defuse kit (03:02:33) (@necland) to get it down yourself (03:02:33) (@Stan) but takes the chance (03:02:34) (@Stan) blows it all up (03:02:36) (@shads) lol nec (03:02:39) (@Stan) cos he wanted the kill (03:02:46) (@shads) yus (03:02:52) (@shads) be a change from everyone running away tho (03:02:52) (@shads) :P (03:02:55) (@necland) it's turning into q3 (03:02:55) (@Stan) lol (03:02:56) (@Stan) true (03:03:00) (@necland) they tk each other for guns and s*** ryan's "lol true" was at me btw before u think he's retarded for agreeing with nec :x [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blokefish 03:05 15/1/2003	HA! Take that shads! Oh and YAY for 5:4 support o/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 03:07 15/1/2003	nah i can see at cpl or summin, in 4k game last round, stu's on 12/4, marc's on 13/3, killed last enemies & going for defuse, marc starts defusing but stu wants to come top of scoreboard so tk's him and gets the defuse frags to come top, cue laughter and lots of F5 spamming [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	for a tk 03:09 15/1/2003	with punish on you loose 2 kills essentially so only gain 1 for defuse, also you miss the round sooooooo all the kills you could have got then would be lost. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 03:11 15/1/2003	not if it's the last round... :D would only lose 1 frag but gain 3 and u wouldn't get a death from it [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	yehh but 03:15 15/1/2003	in a game that anyone would watch on hltv a uk clan wouldnt be in a position to fraghunt (more like killign each other to not have ex like scores). [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ukt REALLY 03:17 15/1/2003	needs an edit button so that we can actualy post and make sense at this time of night [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 03:22 15/1/2003	erm, u obviously dont know stu to post that :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	The Oracle Lord of t3h b0ys UKTerrorist 03:24 15/1/2003	I think the +3 frags for planting/defusing is on of the few ways you can get people to complete the objectives in pubs. But, in the end, it's still rewarding the frag whore.... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	naaazz 03:24 15/1/2003	bomb frags is gonna be s***... they are trying to get rid of any element of DM in the game, and as we know DM = fun... getting 9 awesome headshots shouldnt be considered equal to defusing the bomb 3 times... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 03:26 15/1/2003	but getting 9 bs mac10 300 ping strafe spray hs kills should! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	naaaz 03:36 15/1/2003	plus, when was it ever a problem with CTs not defusing in publics? the terrorists dont care cos it only means the CTs lose money, and the CTs will eventually have to start defusin to win any rounds.... i dont understand why valve have to change the incentive for defusing. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 03:39 15/1/2003	yeah dont really understand why but i aint arsed not like it's gonna change the game at all for serious people coz like noto said there's no i in "team" (stfu geordie already) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	mav masters 0f ownage 05:41 15/1/2003	defusers/planters should get extra money or something, not frags :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ricochet` 08:01 15/1/2003	Increased Glock damage slightly. AMAZING [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 08:06 15/1/2003	yeh thats true mav, its gonna mess up scoreboard totally maybe if they had a seperate score for that like say you killed 10 people and defused/planted+exploded 4 times it might say 10 + 4, the +4 in a different colour on the scoreboard, that would be a better idea in my opinion. Would also make the scoreboard more informative [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	plaz 08:08 15/1/2003	Increased Glock damage slightly. o/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	plaz 08:09 15/1/2003	Added zoom & health in HLTV. omg. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Alex-\ 08:13 15/1/2003	frags for defusing and planting bomb wtf [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	NukeMasta 08:33 15/1/2003	only newbies need a stronger glock, this game is s*** [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 08:39 15/1/2003	i think reasoning behind the glock is that now with the addition of famas and gali, both ct's and t's have a cheaper option of rifle, therefore the pistol imbalance (CT biased) 'needs' to be fixed to level the playin field overall [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Del` Sniper's Alley 08:41 15/1/2003	No mention of interp or netcode changes :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	t0m 08:44 15/1/2003	uberness [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Havors 09:04 15/1/2003	bit daft if u ask me! n00bs will be getting like 70 - 20 scores n stuff just coz they defused or planted the bomb!! glock owns anyway, now its more powerful! av eeeet! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Grom^ 09:35 15/1/2003	u seen these others? - Changed so live players don't see enemy deaths in the scoreboard. - Fixed mouse input bug when playing with very low sensitivity in Windows XP. - Fixed demo recording after changelevel. - Fixed bug where players could duck while traveling up ladders and not lose any speed (but the sound volume was reduced). - Fixed players being able to move up ladders faster than their maxspeed. 1 - going to have a better memory as to who's been killed, or bring console down to check... hmm. 2 - I know some people who will be happy with this 3 - wow, maybe my nuke demos won't load on prodigy now 4 - hmm, wonder if it fixes silent ladder - personally I thought crouch ladder was good :/ 5 - makes sense I guess [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ash 09:47 15/1/2003	rofl at bomb frags... how lame... rest is good [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 09:56 15/1/2003	increased glock damage = cool not sure about 3 kills for plant/defuse; initially sounds good, but surely 1 point is more like it... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 10:00 15/1/2003	all in all, we can only really speculate how its gonna play so the proofs gonna be in the playing... bit worried theres no mention of dodgy command changes...... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	sloop 10:16 15/1/2003	i think that change list sucks large what about netcode, ex_ commands, gl_maxsize, armour drop bug, celing boosts, fladhbang crouch hitbox bug the list goes on - instead they change default chasecam mode to locked which means u wont be able to follow gay cheating fags in publics cos nobdy will be arsed to change from default. they better change some of that cos atm its wk. and the cant see dead opposition on scoreboard thing is f*ing stupid. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Slider` eSports.Edge 10:20 15/1/2003	I always thought that the planter/defuser should be rewarded financially.. The new map (de_airstrip) adn the new console looks pretty funky tho [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rd theb0g 10:36 15/1/2003	i cant beleieve u cant c how many enemies r dead/alive when ur alive. that will b f*in s! if ur on ur own and u dont kno how many is left u dont kno whether 2 camp the round, try 2 plant/defuse, keep ur gun etc..! will b pretty poo. the frags wont matter in clan games, and shudnt affect the pubby 2much. and ladder fing is a bit gay, coz now on nuke ur f**ed if ur CT or woteva goin up the ladder 2 BSA when T hav planted. u will get naded 2 buggery :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 10:36 15/1/2003	in general, it does look really good, however the not being to see enemy deaths i don't like, so that will require some counting i guess....could be interesting for public servers though [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	VespR 10:37 15/1/2003	They done this in Front Line Force. If you capture the points you get more frags and if you kill someone defusing a capture point you got more. Also if you stood on an enemy grenade so that it only affected you and protected your teammates you got more frags. In the end everyone ending up hunting for grenades on the floor coz it gave them loads of frags. I can see this happening in CS now... /sigh. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	m0rph- 10:40 15/1/2003	#1. interp = 0.1 locked now? #2. frags for defusing/planting is a v good idea [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DK@work 10:49 15/1/2003	I think all in all, the most important thing is....Hav0rs looks good with his hair cut in work today nuff said! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	bigZ 10:53 15/1/2003	that means the glocks gonna be the best pistol ;o [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	LordOfBlood 11:15 15/1/2003	Surely you get cash AND frags... you get $300 dollars for 1 frag so im sure you will get $900 for 3 :o I can't really see them JUST giving frags. Looks good. Not being able to see deaths is gonna be stupid on pubs cos u wont be able to count. But in cw its gonna be VERY interesting... adding another element in ;) i.e. SOMEONE has to count how many ppl die ;) at LAN infact everyone will cos u cant talk when dead :E /me cant wait LoB [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fez 11:17 15/1/2003	glock is the best pistol anyway :x [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rd theb0g 11:23 15/1/2003	if ur on TS then u can get them 2 tell u, but it still sucks! :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Edd0 11:28 15/1/2003	» Added zoom & health in HLTV o/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Edd0 11:31 15/1/2003	» Default HLTV updaterate will be 10 (not 20) to save bandwidth. No more laggy CPL Hltv ? Hope so [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Slider` eSports.Edge 11:33 15/1/2003	Yeh, having to waste time in a match check the console to see how many are left, that sucks [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ryano theb0g 11:41 15/1/2003	I doubt any of the changes will significantly change the game we play to the point where you don't recognise it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Kapppy 12:02 15/1/2003	If u TK som1 u can get away with not missing the nxt round. what u need to do is a) goto team select menu b) choose same team as u r in now c) dont select skins till the new round starts d) once new round starts select ur skin and hay presto u dont miss the round! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	% 12:02 15/1/2003	3 frags plus for defuse/planting and making it exploding = gayness. That's how Unreal works. Cap a flag and inscrease score. sucks. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rupert omg - no ! 12:02 15/1/2003	4 - hmm, wonder if it fixes silent ladder - personally I thought crouch ladder was good :/ i think it means u will just go up the ladder slower if ur crouched - still silently....( hopefully :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shotti theb0g 12:04 15/1/2003	the scoreboard thing will nmake no difference in clan games as it only affects live players, dead people can see whoes dead on the scoreboard and will just tell the live players through teamspeak/rw etc [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 12:30 15/1/2003	the deaths thing might change lan play slightly, but are cpl really that strict on ppl not talking when dead? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ryano theb0g 12:51 15/1/2003	I think the 3 frags for planting is a diversion of public interest and is very very clever. Originally people were going to eb angry at the addition of the riot shield - but it seems that no posts have been directed at the shield in recent threads. All the anger seems at the addition of the 3 frags. I think they will just remove this from the beta and then everyone will be happy with the new addition so much so. Another idea is that they make cs so s*** before condition zero comes out and then make that really good so we all have to buy it. I personally think this release will be great though. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	callous Specster 13:07 15/1/2003	Changed so live players don't see enemy deaths in the scoreboard. thats a big change! a good one too :o [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	lop 13:11 15/1/2003	the netcode changes will be changed in the hl update. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Havors 13:18 15/1/2003	LOL jay u kant! I always look good ;) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Gryff 13:18 15/1/2003	The frags for bombs etc. is merely making the score system more objective based, which imho is what CS should be all about, instead of it being personal frags. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Havors 13:23 15/1/2003	all u n00bs moaning about not seeing whos dead on scoreboard will just have to concentrate on how many people r getting killed. I think it 'COULD' be a good idea, lets see how it goes. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rogue1 13:36 15/1/2003	Anything that encourages people on publics to plant/defuse the bomb rather than just sitting around playing with themselves has got to be a good thing. Nobody should care about frags that much in clan games anyway. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Shaw 13:40 15/1/2003	Very Strange addition that hiding deaths thing... i guess the controversial changes are the reason for them using betas again ? 3 frags for a defuse / plant wont really affect much... who cares bout scores in publics newayz ?!? bring back the days when u cudnt see the rest of the servers scores and be done wit it lol [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 13:49 15/1/2003	Nobody should care about frags that much in clan games anyway. yeh, i mean if Ex cared about frags he wouldnt have got his Slayer award :-D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 13:49 15/1/2003	"LOL jay u kant! I always look good ;)" Number 2 all over? :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	r0ss 14:04 15/1/2003	I cant see why they need to change the scoreboard to prevent "live" players seeing who is dead. that just seems strange! anyway iv worked a way round that already dont see any mention of ex_ etc , altho if may come under redundant netcode (i hope). [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	emfive 14:19 15/1/2003	Sure the +3 frags for planting/defusing the bomb dosnt mean +900 cash? Then it might make more sense, tactical bomb plants for awps etc in clan matches, hurah! Dosn't make sense to give +3 kills on the scoreboard for doing it, its worthless. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Choke\|MaT Choke 14:52 15/1/2003	personally I reckon you should get 5 frags for a knifekill.... then you might have some interesting matches :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Havors 15:38 15/1/2003	1 back and sides and a 5 on top actually nick :oP skinheads r for ugly people, going bald people or david beckham. or lazy people u cant be arsed washing there hair! or fags who think it makes them look hard! o/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Geordie Last Chance 16:28 15/1/2003	defuse the bomb 12 times in a raping and u have 36 frags o/ thats more than i get in a whole week! shads m8 there is no i in team... but ;) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dravicus 16:34 15/1/2003	any1 know if u get 3x$300 for defusing/bombing target? would have a big impact on 2nd round if so. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Del` Sniper's Alley 16:41 15/1/2003	Removed unused latency code ( was related to pushlatency) refers to interp? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Geordie Last Chance 16:47 15/1/2003	cl_latency i think theres nothing on ex_ commands only that u can increase it on hltv when u connect, which suggests they locked it as ur allowed to change it in hltv but not in game!, very mysterious ! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rd theb0g 16:49 15/1/2003	u cud awm in the 2nd round if u get $900 cud u? or is it my bad maths? :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Montaver theb0g 16:52 15/1/2003	The scoreboard idea doesnt sound particularly great, not quite sure how liking it how it is makes me a "n00b" Hav0rs. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	FELLA 16:53 15/1/2003	Which one am I then Hav ? I'm not ugly, going bald, David Beckham, lazy or a fag ... yet I have a skinhead. I'm confuzzled ... help me out here. BTW Hav looks even more like a batty boy than he did before ... and that's saying something [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	N38 17:27 15/1/2003	Erm how is getting three frags going to help the game? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dr_Evil`` 17:27 15/1/2003	Some good stuff in there. HLTV will be a lot better now, the new guns will suck and everyone will be doing glock + armor rushes as T now with its increased power. The shield wont get used except maybe to take the p***. Dont think you will get more money for a defuse because the team overall gets more money for winning by defuse than by elimination. Enemy deaths not being shown will only come in to play if teams use inbuilt comms or non of your team are dead to inform. Will make lans with no talking policies interesting too. Hope netcode gets locked so WWCL is no longer needed, then people can discover some new cvars to moan about... www.ratemyhaircut.com [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Weebull 18:05 15/1/2003	Changed so live players don't see enemy deaths in the scoreboard. :o Sounds stupid IMO. Shouldn't be too bad for clan games, where you only have to count to 5, but on a big public server, where ppl are dying left right and centre... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ed 18:34 15/1/2003	Changed so live players don't see enemy deaths in the scoreboard. thats a bit weird seeing as u can just use console to have a look.. also, if they get around ^^ it wud lead to more ppl camping, eg. T on dust, regardless of how many ct's are left, as they have no idea 1.6 is gonna be a well good release, lots of new stuff [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	callous Specster 18:49 15/1/2003	if they dont lock interp ill be p***ed off even if they do ppl will start complaining about something else..... omg HUD_CENTREID h4x! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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	shads theb0g 02:42 15/1/2003	Added zoom & health in HLTV. FINALLY actually, theres s* loads of bug fixes in there that have taken AGES to be fixed but i'm glad they finally will be (especially all the HLTV s*) first time ever i'm looking forward to a cs release, only thing i don't like is that it looks like they're locking interp but unlocking it for HLTV as i bet some lame fag will find a way to exploit that and change interp in normal game too the ONLY thing i don't like the look of is the enemy deaths showing up on scoreboard during round whilst u're still alive coz i always use that:/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 02:43 15/1/2003	ok i wrote that wrong stfu its 2:43 u know wot i meant [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blokefish 02:57 15/1/2003	You suck :> [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	hia why op? 03:00 15/1/2003	so true so true suxor ;] [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 03:01 15/1/2003	ffs someone edit it :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ohhhh changes 03:04 15/1/2003	bomb frags hmmmmmmmmmm, well it may change public (though i think bomb defuser/planter should get more money not frags) but i cant see much of a clan war impact. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 03:05 15/1/2003	(03:02:11) (@shads) funniest thing (03:02:15) (@shads) will be tking to get the defuse (03:02:16) (@shads) for frags (03:02:17) (@shads) coz like (03:02:17) (@Stan) yes (03:02:18) (@Stan) lol (03:02:18) (@necland) yeah (03:02:19) (@shads) -1 for tk (03:02:20) (@necland) lol (03:02:21) (@Stan) or some nubbin (03:02:21) (@shads) +3 for defuse (03:02:21) (@shads) gg (03:02:22) (@shads) :D (03:02:23) (@necland) or tking bomb planter (03:02:24) (@Stan) who wants to defuse (03:02:31) (@Stan) but dont have defuse kit (03:02:33) (@necland) to get it down yourself (03:02:33) (@Stan) but takes the chance (03:02:34) (@Stan) blows it all up (03:02:36) (@shads) lol nec (03:02:39) (@Stan) cos he wanted the kill (03:02:46) (@shads) yus (03:02:52) (@shads) be a change from everyone running away tho (03:02:52) (@shads) :P (03:02:55) (@necland) it's turning into q3 (03:02:55) (@Stan) lol (03:02:56) (@Stan) true (03:03:00) (@necland) they tk each other for guns and s*** ryan's "lol true" was at me btw before u think he's retarded for agreeing with nec :x [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blokefish 03:05 15/1/2003	HA! Take that shads! Oh and YAY for 5:4 support o/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 03:07 15/1/2003	nah i can see at cpl or summin, in 4k game last round, stu's on 12/4, marc's on 13/3, killed last enemies & going for defuse, marc starts defusing but stu wants to come top of scoreboard so tk's him and gets the defuse frags to come top, cue laughter and lots of F5 spamming [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	for a tk 03:09 15/1/2003	with punish on you loose 2 kills essentially so only gain 1 for defuse, also you miss the round sooooooo all the kills you could have got then would be lost. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 03:11 15/1/2003	not if it's the last round... :D would only lose 1 frag but gain 3 and u wouldn't get a death from it [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	yehh but 03:15 15/1/2003	in a game that anyone would watch on hltv a uk clan wouldnt be in a position to fraghunt (more like killign each other to not have ex like scores). [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ukt REALLY 03:17 15/1/2003	needs an edit button so that we can actualy post and make sense at this time of night [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 03:22 15/1/2003	erm, u obviously dont know stu to post that :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	The Oracle Lord of t3h b0ys UKTerrorist 03:24 15/1/2003	I think the +3 frags for planting/defusing is on of the few ways you can get people to complete the objectives in pubs. But, in the end, it's still rewarding the frag whore.... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	naaazz 03:24 15/1/2003	bomb frags is gonna be s***... they are trying to get rid of any element of DM in the game, and as we know DM = fun... getting 9 awesome headshots shouldnt be considered equal to defusing the bomb 3 times... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 03:26 15/1/2003	but getting 9 bs mac10 300 ping strafe spray hs kills should! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	naaaz 03:36 15/1/2003	plus, when was it ever a problem with CTs not defusing in publics? the terrorists dont care cos it only means the CTs lose money, and the CTs will eventually have to start defusin to win any rounds.... i dont understand why valve have to change the incentive for defusing. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 03:39 15/1/2003	yeah dont really understand why but i aint arsed not like it's gonna change the game at all for serious people coz like noto said there's no i in "team" (stfu geordie already) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	mav masters 0f ownage 05:41 15/1/2003	defusers/planters should get extra money or something, not frags :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ricochet` 08:01 15/1/2003	Increased Glock damage slightly. AMAZING [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 08:06 15/1/2003	yeh thats true mav, its gonna mess up scoreboard totally maybe if they had a seperate score for that like say you killed 10 people and defused/planted+exploded 4 times it might say 10 + 4, the +4 in a different colour on the scoreboard, that would be a better idea in my opinion. Would also make the scoreboard more informative [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	plaz 08:08 15/1/2003	Increased Glock damage slightly. o/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	plaz 08:09 15/1/2003	Added zoom & health in HLTV. omg. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Alex-\ 08:13 15/1/2003	frags for defusing and planting bomb wtf [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	NukeMasta 08:33 15/1/2003	only newbies need a stronger glock, this game is s*** [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 08:39 15/1/2003	i think reasoning behind the glock is that now with the addition of famas and gali, both ct's and t's have a cheaper option of rifle, therefore the pistol imbalance (CT biased) 'needs' to be fixed to level the playin field overall [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Del` Sniper's Alley 08:41 15/1/2003	No mention of interp or netcode changes :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	t0m 08:44 15/1/2003	uberness [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Havors 09:04 15/1/2003	bit daft if u ask me! n00bs will be getting like 70 - 20 scores n stuff just coz they defused or planted the bomb!! glock owns anyway, now its more powerful! av eeeet! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Grom^ 09:35 15/1/2003	u seen these others? - Changed so live players don't see enemy deaths in the scoreboard. - Fixed mouse input bug when playing with very low sensitivity in Windows XP. - Fixed demo recording after changelevel. - Fixed bug where players could duck while traveling up ladders and not lose any speed (but the sound volume was reduced). - Fixed players being able to move up ladders faster than their maxspeed. 1 - going to have a better memory as to who's been killed, or bring console down to check... hmm. 2 - I know some people who will be happy with this 3 - wow, maybe my nuke demos won't load on prodigy now 4 - hmm, wonder if it fixes silent ladder - personally I thought crouch ladder was good :/ 5 - makes sense I guess [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ash 09:47 15/1/2003	rofl at bomb frags... how lame... rest is good [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 09:56 15/1/2003	increased glock damage = cool not sure about 3 kills for plant/defuse; initially sounds good, but surely 1 point is more like it... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 10:00 15/1/2003	all in all, we can only really speculate how its gonna play so the proofs gonna be in the playing... bit worried theres no mention of dodgy command changes...... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	sloop 10:16 15/1/2003	i think that change list sucks large what about netcode, ex_ commands, gl_maxsize, armour drop bug, celing boosts, fladhbang crouch hitbox bug the list goes on - instead they change default chasecam mode to locked which means u wont be able to follow gay cheating fags in publics cos nobdy will be arsed to change from default. they better change some of that cos atm its wk. and the cant see dead opposition on scoreboard thing is f*ing stupid. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Slider` eSports.Edge 10:20 15/1/2003	I always thought that the planter/defuser should be rewarded financially.. The new map (de_airstrip) adn the new console looks pretty funky tho [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rd theb0g 10:36 15/1/2003	i cant beleieve u cant c how many enemies r dead/alive when ur alive. that will b f*in s! if ur on ur own and u dont kno how many is left u dont kno whether 2 camp the round, try 2 plant/defuse, keep ur gun etc..! will b pretty poo. the frags wont matter in clan games, and shudnt affect the pubby 2much. and ladder fing is a bit gay, coz now on nuke ur f**ed if ur CT or woteva goin up the ladder 2 BSA when T hav planted. u will get naded 2 buggery :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 10:36 15/1/2003	in general, it does look really good, however the not being to see enemy deaths i don't like, so that will require some counting i guess....could be interesting for public servers though [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	VespR 10:37 15/1/2003	They done this in Front Line Force. If you capture the points you get more frags and if you kill someone defusing a capture point you got more. Also if you stood on an enemy grenade so that it only affected you and protected your teammates you got more frags. In the end everyone ending up hunting for grenades on the floor coz it gave them loads of frags. I can see this happening in CS now... /sigh. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	m0rph- 10:40 15/1/2003	#1. interp = 0.1 locked now? #2. frags for defusing/planting is a v good idea [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DK@work 10:49 15/1/2003	I think all in all, the most important thing is....Hav0rs looks good with his hair cut in work today nuff said! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	bigZ 10:53 15/1/2003	that means the glocks gonna be the best pistol ;o [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	LordOfBlood 11:15 15/1/2003	Surely you get cash AND frags... you get $300 dollars for 1 frag so im sure you will get $900 for 3 :o I can't really see them JUST giving frags. Looks good. Not being able to see deaths is gonna be stupid on pubs cos u wont be able to count. But in cw its gonna be VERY interesting... adding another element in ;) i.e. SOMEONE has to count how many ppl die ;) at LAN infact everyone will cos u cant talk when dead :E /me cant wait LoB [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fez 11:17 15/1/2003	glock is the best pistol anyway :x [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rd theb0g 11:23 15/1/2003	if ur on TS then u can get them 2 tell u, but it still sucks! :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Edd0 11:28 15/1/2003	» Added zoom & health in HLTV o/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Edd0 11:31 15/1/2003	» Default HLTV updaterate will be 10 (not 20) to save bandwidth. No more laggy CPL Hltv ? Hope so [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Slider` eSports.Edge 11:33 15/1/2003	Yeh, having to waste time in a match check the console to see how many are left, that sucks [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ryano theb0g 11:41 15/1/2003	I doubt any of the changes will significantly change the game we play to the point where you don't recognise it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Kapppy 12:02 15/1/2003	If u TK som1 u can get away with not missing the nxt round. what u need to do is a) goto team select menu b) choose same team as u r in now c) dont select skins till the new round starts d) once new round starts select ur skin and hay presto u dont miss the round! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	% 12:02 15/1/2003	3 frags plus for defuse/planting and making it exploding = gayness. That's how Unreal works. Cap a flag and inscrease score. sucks. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rupert omg - no ! 12:02 15/1/2003	4 - hmm, wonder if it fixes silent ladder - personally I thought crouch ladder was good :/ i think it means u will just go up the ladder slower if ur crouched - still silently....( hopefully :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shotti theb0g 12:04 15/1/2003	the scoreboard thing will nmake no difference in clan games as it only affects live players, dead people can see whoes dead on the scoreboard and will just tell the live players through teamspeak/rw etc [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 12:30 15/1/2003	the deaths thing might change lan play slightly, but are cpl really that strict on ppl not talking when dead? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ryano theb0g 12:51 15/1/2003	I think the 3 frags for planting is a diversion of public interest and is very very clever. Originally people were going to eb angry at the addition of the riot shield - but it seems that no posts have been directed at the shield in recent threads. All the anger seems at the addition of the 3 frags. I think they will just remove this from the beta and then everyone will be happy with the new addition so much so. Another idea is that they make cs so s*** before condition zero comes out and then make that really good so we all have to buy it. I personally think this release will be great though. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	callous Specster 13:07 15/1/2003	Changed so live players don't see enemy deaths in the scoreboard. thats a big change! a good one too :o [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	lop 13:11 15/1/2003	the netcode changes will be changed in the hl update. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Havors 13:18 15/1/2003	LOL jay u kant! I always look good ;) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Gryff 13:18 15/1/2003	The frags for bombs etc. is merely making the score system more objective based, which imho is what CS should be all about, instead of it being personal frags. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Havors 13:23 15/1/2003	all u n00bs moaning about not seeing whos dead on scoreboard will just have to concentrate on how many people r getting killed. I think it 'COULD' be a good idea, lets see how it goes. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rogue1 13:36 15/1/2003	Anything that encourages people on publics to plant/defuse the bomb rather than just sitting around playing with themselves has got to be a good thing. Nobody should care about frags that much in clan games anyway. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Shaw 13:40 15/1/2003	Very Strange addition that hiding deaths thing... i guess the controversial changes are the reason for them using betas again ? 3 frags for a defuse / plant wont really affect much... who cares bout scores in publics newayz ?!? bring back the days when u cudnt see the rest of the servers scores and be done wit it lol [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 13:49 15/1/2003	Nobody should care about frags that much in clan games anyway. yeh, i mean if Ex cared about frags he wouldnt have got his Slayer award :-D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 13:49 15/1/2003	"LOL jay u kant! I always look good ;)" Number 2 all over? :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	r0ss 14:04 15/1/2003	I cant see why they need to change the scoreboard to prevent "live" players seeing who is dead. that just seems strange! anyway iv worked a way round that already dont see any mention of ex_ etc , altho if may come under redundant netcode (i hope). [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	emfive 14:19 15/1/2003	Sure the +3 frags for planting/defusing the bomb dosnt mean +900 cash? Then it might make more sense, tactical bomb plants for awps etc in clan matches, hurah! Dosn't make sense to give +3 kills on the scoreboard for doing it, its worthless. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Choke\|MaT Choke 14:52 15/1/2003	personally I reckon you should get 5 frags for a knifekill.... then you might have some interesting matches :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Havors 15:38 15/1/2003	1 back and sides and a 5 on top actually nick :oP skinheads r for ugly people, going bald people or david beckham. or lazy people u cant be arsed washing there hair! or fags who think it makes them look hard! o/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Geordie Last Chance 16:28 15/1/2003	defuse the bomb 12 times in a raping and u have 36 frags o/ thats more than i get in a whole week! shads m8 there is no i in team... but ;) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dravicus 16:34 15/1/2003	any1 know if u get 3x$300 for defusing/bombing target? would have a big impact on 2nd round if so. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Del` Sniper's Alley 16:41 15/1/2003	Removed unused latency code ( was related to pushlatency) refers to interp? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Geordie Last Chance 16:47 15/1/2003	cl_latency i think theres nothing on ex_ commands only that u can increase it on hltv when u connect, which suggests they locked it as ur allowed to change it in hltv but not in game!, very mysterious ! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rd theb0g 16:49 15/1/2003	u cud awm in the 2nd round if u get $900 cud u? or is it my bad maths? :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Montaver theb0g 16:52 15/1/2003	The scoreboard idea doesnt sound particularly great, not quite sure how liking it how it is makes me a "n00b" Hav0rs. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	FELLA 16:53 15/1/2003	Which one am I then Hav ? I'm not ugly, going bald, David Beckham, lazy or a fag ... yet I have a skinhead. I'm confuzzled ... help me out here. BTW Hav looks even more like a batty boy than he did before ... and that's saying something [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	N38 17:27 15/1/2003	Erm how is getting three frags going to help the game? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dr_Evil`` 17:27 15/1/2003	Some good stuff in there. HLTV will be a lot better now, the new guns will suck and everyone will be doing glock + armor rushes as T now with its increased power. The shield wont get used except maybe to take the p***. Dont think you will get more money for a defuse because the team overall gets more money for winning by defuse than by elimination. Enemy deaths not being shown will only come in to play if teams use inbuilt comms or non of your team are dead to inform. Will make lans with no talking policies interesting too. Hope netcode gets locked so WWCL is no longer needed, then people can discover some new cvars to moan about... www.ratemyhaircut.com [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Weebull 18:05 15/1/2003	Changed so live players don't see enemy deaths in the scoreboard. :o Sounds stupid IMO. Shouldn't be too bad for clan games, where you only have to count to 5, but on a big public server, where ppl are dying left right and centre... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ed 18:34 15/1/2003	Changed so live players don't see enemy deaths in the scoreboard. thats a bit weird seeing as u can just use console to have a look.. also, if they get around ^^ it wud lead to more ppl camping, eg. T on dust, regardless of how many ct's are left, as they have no idea 1.6 is gonna be a well good release, lots of new stuff [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	callous Specster 18:49 15/1/2003	if they dont lock interp ill be p***ed off even if they do ppl will start complaining about something else..... omg HUD_CENTREID h4x! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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