Why Can't We Be Colour Blind?

Posted by arsen at 11:19 17/3/2004.

I'm sure most regulars of this site will be aware of the problem of racism within the UK CS community. Although we as staff do our best to discourage and remove all racist comments, sometimes one slips by.

A UKT member, who wishes to remain nameless, has written a piece about his past experiences and views on racism. The article is a nice length and contains some interesting examples.

As a devoted godfather to a half-cast niece, every time I see racist comments being made in a Counter-Strike server it makes me think of her. I sometimes actually wonder what her life will be like in the near future as she walks into school. Will she get shunned by the other kids simply because of her skin colour? What if she experiences the emotions and such that were explained in the paragraph above? No matter what way you look at it- be it your friends, family, online friends or in my case, my god-daughter, it's hard not to worry about how they are feeling.

There will be many people reading that will need to take heed of this posters words and understand the effects of their comments. Check out the full article here.

Update: m0rphy has written a column in reply to the above article, it can be found right here.

Finally, those of you who have been waiting on the edge of their seat for the results of my best column ever feature will have to wait a bit longer. I'm forced to let the poll run for a few more days as it appears the Blaster and Cancer Research columns are neck and neck!

Comments

Legion
11:16 17/3/2004
ya get me , and who ever wrote tht dont refer 2 us as half-cast thts a insult aswell its mix raced thnx. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Anisty-
Prozac
11:17 17/3/2004
seeing far too much of this in irc recently.... some people do it to joke with their friends but i've seen that turn into 2 hour long chains of racist dribble and it's just not needed. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
arsen
Head Arse
UKTerrorist
11:19 17/3/2004

(This was an automated post)

I'm sure most regulars of this site will be aware of the problem of racism within the UK CS community. Although we as staff do our best to discourage and remove all racist comments, sometimes one slips by.

A UKT member, who wishes to remain nameless, has written a piece about his past experiences and views on racism. The article is a nice length and contains some interesting examples.

As a devoted godfather to a half-cast niece, every time I see racist comments being made in a Counter-Strike server it makes me think of her. I sometimes actually wonder what her life will be like in the near future as she walks into school. Will she get shunned by the other kids simply because of her skin colour? What if she experiences the emotions and such that were explained in the paragraph above? No matter what way you look at it- be it your friends, family, online friends or in my case, my god-daughter, it's hard not to worry about how they are feeling.

There will be many people reading that will need to take heed of this posters words and understand the effects of their comments. Check out the full article here.

Update: m0rphy has written a column in reply to the above article, it can be found right here.

Finally, those of you who have been waiting on the edge of their seat for the results of my best column ever feature will have to wait a bit longer. I'm forced to let the poll run for a few more days as it appears the Blaster and Cancer Research columns are neck and neck!

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Aimage
Bleeding-edge
11:23 17/3/2004
There will always be racist insults, just like their will always be fat/dumb/nationality insults.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz [ Score: 0, pointless | Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Hairy
Rush!
11:23 17/3/2004
I remember some guy getting banned from lc room for racism.. He wanted locking up [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
callous
Specster
11:24 17/3/2004
i like the way everyone hates racist comments but alot of people have accepted the word 'gay' as a derogetary word, ie 'fs u gay! and 'omg that was so gay!!'.

ps im not racist or gay [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
p0ng!
11:33 17/3/2004
nice [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
p0ng!
11:33 17/3/2004
this article is right and u shuld all agree :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
alkor
11:35 17/3/2004
lc-|sol is the main course if im totally honest :o [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Iccy
11:40 17/3/2004
Playful "ribbing" and derogitory comments happens in all team sports Ive ever played in. And a lot of the time it all helps to build the team spirit when you can joke with your mates and have a laugh which it always was because you never took it seriously and you gave as good as you got. 99% of the time Id say the same applies online, with people I know and have met we do have a go at each other, call each other gay or ugly etc. I agree with your racism comments though, most people just spout racist comments because they cant think of anything better to say. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Undone^
ForsakeN
11:52 17/3/2004
would be different if people would be so open about their views face to face [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
trippz
11:59 17/3/2004
What about fat people..? they get it day in day out abuse for them being obese but they dont get a column, hardly on the same level as racism but the same kind of stuff :E [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DK
Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate
12:01 17/3/2004
White working male, most repressed race/gender there is in todays workforce! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Anisty-
Prozac
12:03 17/3/2004
/me represses DK [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
trippz
12:03 17/3/2004
DK is so wise :) <3 [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
arsen
Head Arse
UKTerrorist
12:03 17/3/2004
Being fat is a lifestyle choice, being black/white/whatever isn't. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
AuroN
n00bhands
12:05 17/3/2004
same as ud sed it dont happen face to face its only cus they can get away with it and hide behind there monitor [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
trippz
12:05 17/3/2004
people with big ears then. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Anisty-
Prozac
12:06 17/3/2004
was that culexus hairy? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Weebull
12:06 17/3/2004
£10 says whoever wrote that isn't black or asian, and has never been insulted racially.

Not flaming, just an observation. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DK
Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate
12:06 17/3/2004
correct arsen!

need to change my previous post:

Healthy (ie not under or overweight) white male. Is the most repressed race/gender in todays current office enviroment! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Anisty-
Prozac
12:07 17/3/2004
/me represses DK [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DK
Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate
12:09 17/3/2004
fo with your fantisies Ansity! [ Score: -1, abusive | Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
sol
12:11 17/3/2004
wtf, such lies alk.... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
disty
12:14 17/3/2004
Lies arsen! my fatness isnt a lifestyle choice, i was just born husky :*( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Anisty-
Prozac
12:15 17/3/2004
/me represses DK harder and harder and harder and HARDER AND OMG OMG OMG ||/| (u|/||/||||G [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
FELLA
12:36 17/3/2004
"Being fat is a lifestyle choice, being black/white/whatever isn't.
"

Tell that to Michael Jackson ...

People are racist to some degree or other, put it this way how many of you white people who say they aren't racist would like to see your mum on the arm of something that looks like it's just dropped out of a tree and then picture her getting speared by his 12 inch Black Mamba ... fact of life whether people have the balls to admit it is another thing.
You put a bunch of black lads together and watch them rip into us 'honkies'.
It's not even down to your skin colour, Scousers and Mancs 'hate' each other it's imprinted in their DNA.
Even Blacks from the Caribbean hate Africans and every creed I know hates the Somalians. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
anj
Xtreme-geeks
12:49 17/3/2004
callous: Its the way is meant sometimes, alot of people can see the word gay as in the context as in lame. Doesn't mean gay people are lame. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
m!lky
fluid element
12:52 17/3/2004
well it does [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
anj
Xtreme-geeks
12:53 17/3/2004
Im colour blind... cant see green on red/brown v.well. I get so f***ed on nuke outside X[ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
theCARZY
Definitive
12:57 17/3/2004
resists temptation to say things...
its the net, carebear. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Mew
ClanNEW
13:05 17/3/2004
what makes this country unique to a lot of others i.e iraq is for our freedom of choice, racism ye a problem, but many are, and thus far entitled to their own opinion on life, little can change their minds, but hopefully it will eventualy go off on a tangent never to re-appear, its stuff life family members being murdered by ethnic minorities and/or black or whatever that creates real racism, might make no difference if it was a black or white attack to some, or others, but spit happens u kno. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
funky
13:31 17/3/2004
thanks for deleting my relavent comment, horrible inbred admin [ Score: -1, offtopic | Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
fun time fatteh
13:36 17/3/2004
just remember every time u grenade bigbird u grenade a little bit of racism out of CS :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
w1cked
Croydon
13:39 17/3/2004
im racist, gay and jewish

cyber anyone? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Pr0f
HeRb
13:44 17/3/2004
Half-cast?

Oh the irony [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
boon
Spec-Ops Detachment Alpha
13:58 17/3/2004
Every race is as bad as each other. I stay in Glasgow and Asians, whites and Pakistanis beat the s*** out of each other constantly.

Look at the news in Glasgow today. A 15 year old white kid is murdered for going with a pakistani girl. So Pakistanis killing him for that isnt racist?

stop making it out that everyone but whites are victims

All bad as each other. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
arsen
Head Arse
UKTerrorist
14:00 17/3/2004
Funky, you know why it was deleted, stop trying to act innocent. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Bard-
14:06 17/3/2004
funky
13:31, 17/3/2004 thanks for deleting my relavent comment, horrible inbred admin

I find that offensive! Inbredist! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
frantiC``
Shoot First Ask Later
14:09 17/3/2004
Silly. What is racism? not just being black or white or pink or brown i mean whats the difference between abusing someone who is a different colour or abusing someone coz of where they are from? i.e "u northern b******" "scottish c***" "sheep shagger". is no different and the amount of times i been called a nigga from asians over the net lol even though i white!

End of the day its the internet and people shouldnt be offended by what others say. ITS NOT RL!! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
David Smith
Infinity-eSports
14:10 17/3/2004
Fella touches on a good point. It’s not just skin colour. Take for example:

India – Pakistan.
Celtic – Rangers.
Israel – Palestine
England – Ireland.

The list is could be endless!

It is difference that breads racism, stigmatism, isolationism, hatred, anger and other tensions related to what is different, what scares us and what is acceptable. Pressures of modern society bread hatred, both racial and cultural. So therefore we as members of society have a choice in how we perceive difference, a personal retrospective based upon our location in the world.

We are all different, every single one of us! Next time you pick on someone because they are different remember that you are again different to them and to the next person and so on and so on, an indefinite loop of difference.

Peace!

-Dave. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
boon
Spec-Ops Detachment Alpha
14:10 17/3/2004
stfu fran you english c***!

:D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Del`
Sniper's Alley
14:10 17/3/2004
I can't believe people are voting for the Cancer Research column, it should never have been selected. [ Score: -1, abusive | Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
frantiC``
Shoot First Ask Later
14:10 17/3/2004
omg boon collum time!! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
boon
Spec-Ops Detachment Alpha
14:12 17/3/2004
haha [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
dbz
14:14 17/3/2004
im racist and proud

This country is a f***in disgrace where i work there is 40 asians and about 3 white people i actually feel like a imigrant in my own country

kick the f***ers out!!!!

80% of crime is down to black people and asians also my hard earned taxes pay for some asian and his 15 brothers sister uncles and aunts to live in a luxury house. [ Score: -1, abusive | Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
funky
14:14 17/3/2004
ahhh i get it , im clearly racist against the irish silly me...

(what SHALL i do with my irish passport) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
boon
Spec-Ops Detachment Alpha
14:15 17/3/2004
am getting racist abuse in irc atm

[14:25] (********): f*** off back to china fat buddha c***

;(

am scottish like but am taking offence to it. might write a column..... :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Sinth
14:15 17/3/2004
ur mum is black [ Score: -1, pointless | Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Venomous
BLACKLiGHT
14:15 17/3/2004
can i just say something, i agree entirely with the column. But 1 reason why racism happens is because people are treated differently. Im not sure of the exact number but apprently the police force have to recruit a certain percentage of dark skinned people. Regardless of whether the white guy is better for the job. Racism is always going to be there if people are treated different.
Anyway people probably dont agree with that, but thats my opinion. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
boon
Spec-Ops Detachment Alpha
14:18 17/3/2004
dbz thats harsh.

not all crime is black m8. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
David Smith
Infinity-eSports
14:21 17/3/2004
UKT should dynamically link column and front page comments!

It's annoying switching between the two, to be quite honest :/

-Dave [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
fsk
twisted Reality
14:32 17/3/2004
think like 90% of crime in my area is down to blacks. its all that gangsta music they listen to! they all wanna be 50 cent like david gee. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Bard-
14:35 17/3/2004
dbz, not all immigrants are ethnic minorities, and not all immigrants come into this country and live off benefit.

Asians choose to live with their extended family, its a part of their culture which they value...

Idiot... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
frantiC``
Shoot First Ask Later
14:38 17/3/2004
rofl would love to know where dbz gets his figures from lol [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Turk1sh
14:38 17/3/2004
lol dbz has apoint about feeling a immigrant , but black people causing all the crime pls? f*** off and wake up. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
alkor
14:40 17/3/2004
Its people trying to become the music wanting to act like 50 cent/other rappers. People listen to the music and here 50 cent boasting about killing people etc etc... The people who rap and try and give out a decent message never get a look in in the music industry as aparently that just does not sell. The most successful person doing a benefit to this community was ms dynamite but she didnt really last long did she.

Its about time this issue was brought up in the gaming industry basically there is a lot of racial abuse on games. Only because there is nothing being done to prevent this. Maybe banning steam id's for regular offenders on cs would be a good idea but i doubt gay valve would bother :( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Turk1sh
14:42 17/3/2004
where i live i gotta look at scummy t**ts with Burbuery hats on walking down road with Socks up over his trackies NIKE AIR MAX trainers on , with enuff money to go down and get his next hit from his dealer , and 90% of these nonces r white/heorin addicteds.

80% Of crime in swindon is caused by these little sad t**ts woh break into houses thief / mug / What next ?

Alot of the weathly Asains bring money into the UK
the rest of em dont they just live off dole or they work for f*** all in a Facotry but at least there willing to work for f*** all. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Bard-
14:44 17/3/2004
Someone should be banned from steam for insulting someone of a different ethnic background (or pretending to be, for the sake of it)

But no one would get banned for insulting someones religion. Perhaps valve could ban people who use the term "OMFG". [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Turk1sh
14:46 17/3/2004
and if any of u 2 pro 2 go to school people know anything about History u would know the English Empire Started the Equal Race rites ALONG TIME ago we was the first to except Black people as our own Race. So all u people saying f*** EM GET EM OUTA OUR COUNTRY.

we was letting em in this country and them helping us with all there knownlegde hundreds of years ago.

So pls dont make our and these people only just been getting into country since like 5 years ago [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
dbz
14:47 17/3/2004
the asians where i work cant speak english and they dont make the effort to learn the language that p***es me off

if they want to come and live in my country they should make the effort

most asians actually h8 us and r society

them fags who the yanks had in camp x were in f***in afganistan fighting against us and tony blair the f***ing prick brings them back ere and there f***in heroes

country is a f***in disgrace british national party is gettin my vote at the next election [ Score: -1, abusive | Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ColdAsIce
ImaGine
14:48 17/3/2004
Thats the other thing. Recently I had a argument between myself and someone who shall remain nameless.

He didnt see that ripping me cause im Scottish is the same as me slagging him for where he came from back.

Its like slagging Scots or White people in general doesnt count as racism when it does. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Turk1sh
14:49 17/3/2004
i have a grammer problem but :( Going back to College semptember lol [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Sincy
14:55 17/3/2004
nah nah nah Bard, there is a huge immigrant/asylum seeker problem in the UK. Too often the system is abused and they get to live well above the standard of a lot of ACTUAL UK people, whilst doing f*** all [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ColdAsIce
ImaGine
14:55 17/3/2004
Another thing is all these Asylum seekers just walking into the country looking for hand outs. Yes I know there are genuine people out there that do need this help but there are hundreds of thousands getting into this country that dont deserve the benifet they are on.

How come all the people seeking Asylum from Iraq and Afganistan cant go back to there own country now that the country is liberated?

Instead they are all still here living it up in Britain. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Bard-
14:56 17/3/2004
dbz, with that attitude, you think they should like you? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
-Naz-
fightclubclan
14:58 17/3/2004
im half iranian, and some of these comments disgust me. I didnt spend 10 f***ing hours in the wheel gear cavity of a boeing 737, freezing my ass off, just to be treated like a second class citizen! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ColdAsIce
ImaGine
15:00 17/3/2004
Ever wonder why France and Germany who are also there to help asylum seekers have such low numbers actually seeking asylum?

Its because Britain is a f***ing soft touch and they know it. We have all seen it on the news, Asylum seekers that have found safety in France but risk life and limb to get to Britain! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
dbz
15:00 17/3/2004
why would they go back???

when they get a free house ,free clothes,free food,

i wouldnt f***in go back either!!!!

all u c***s saying they deserve to stay in this country need deporting with the c***s

most of u on ere are students or work in mcdonalds or do a paper round

u dont know the f***ing meaning of tax!!!!

when u get a a nice £450 a week pay cheque and £150+ of that gets f***in taxed so some imigrant and his family can sponge off us then we can talk [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ColdAsIce
ImaGine
15:03 17/3/2004
Another classic is the fact we are on Terrorist Aler in the UK yet we let as I say thousands of Asylum seekers go unchecked into this country. ROFL [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Bard-
15:04 17/3/2004
hold up...

People seem to be confusing the matter.

Asylum Seekers are totally different to Immigrants. A man arriving in Britain tomorrow, regardless of race, status, religion etc. is still an immigrant.

Being black/indian/chinese whatever does not mean youve come to the UK to live off benefit... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
MaCcA^
15:05 17/3/2004
dbz... do urself a favour and read about the bnp and dont go by what gets said in the Sun or the Daily star... you f***ing imbacile :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shads
theb0g
15:14 17/3/2004
the thing i f***ing hate, is that all my black/asian mates r totally cool with racist jokes n make enuf themselves. its when f***ing stuck up w**kstains who "overhear" (translate: being nosey like stuck up w**kstains r) a racist joke directed at a mate (who finds it incredibly funny and takes no harm) then sticks their nose in and lectures u on being racist, get a life u sad arrogant pricks not every1 is as narrow minded as u

1 example, had a white mate walking thru town with an asian mate of mine, asian guys busy txting sum1 n is being slow movin thru town coz of it, white mate turns round n says "hurry up u slow paki", asian mate just laughs at him n says "ye ye ok" as u do, then sum completely random b***h walkin down road nothin 2 do with either of them steps up 2 my white mate n starts b***hin at him 4 bein so racist and lecturing him on how bad racism is - even demanding my white mate apologises 2 my asian mate, meanwhile my asian mates just wetting himself laughing at all this knowing it was just a joke n the womans bein so stuck up

i laughed when i heard bout it but if i was the 1 gettin a grillin from the woman i wuda given her a peice of my own mind on how narrow minded she is [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Frankyboy
Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate
15:15 17/3/2004
The original post was nothing to do with asylum seekers or whatever it was to do with racism in the CS community.

Don't confuse the issue..

Racism is rife with the CS community cos there's far too many keyboard gangsters and 14yr olds who like nothing more to shout off "f*ck you n*gger" or whatever..

There's just no need for it whatsoever..

Hate someone for a reason not just because of their colour/religion... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
WolfMan`
Viva la!
15:19 17/3/2004
Bigup legion xD [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Horus^
15:20 17/3/2004
most of the stuff is getting deleted. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
stabby
Virgins!
15:20 17/3/2004
England is definitely different to Scotland though. When I lived in Scotland I didn't know anyone who wasn't white. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
frantiC``
Shoot First Ask Later
15:22 17/3/2004
Frankyboy - like u said they are only 14... they have only just found their dicks, they dont know nothing and calling someone a nigger to them is like calling someone a dick etc. just humor them - sticks and stones etc =] [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
MeGaMaN-
Rush!
15:23 17/3/2004
^^ what shads said. People jump on their politically correct bandwagon when a bit of banter between mates is harmless. Would i be offended if a team of asian cs players called me WHITE BOI ?? no would i f***, its a joke, and i for one am proud of my race. Of course its different when your getting the s*** kicked out of you for being black / white / etc. It may be easy for me to say as i am in the majority, but even so its just abuse from some random sat behind a pc. Sticks and stones may brake my bones but names will neevr hurt me!!! (My nana taught me that when i was a bambino) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
decrepit
Croydon
15:25 17/3/2004
mat broke the comments [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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