New Competetive Map In Making: de_aztec2

Posted by Zorro- at 10:45 11/5/2004.

Narby aka Barney, one of the best mappers in the CS scene, already famous for maps like de_aztec, de_inferno, de_cpl_mill and de_cpl_fire, is working on a new map, de_aztec2, which is designed for competitive play and therefore might be introduced to competitions and LANs shortly after it's release.

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CS-Nation interviewed Narby, click here to read it, also check out Narby's site for more screenshots.

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Zorro-
Clan [F]
10:48 11/5/2004
someone spell competitive / competitive / ?? for me ;/ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Inferus
10:48 11/5/2004
de_cpl_mill and de_cpl_mill

:)

It's a new map, so it'll struggle to take off. If the CPL take it in and use it, then i'm sure everyone else will follow like sheep though. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Bean
funky monkey dealer
10:49 11/5/2004
Interesting [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Zorro-
Clan [F]
10:51 11/5/2004
*cpl_fire , ty Inferus ;D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Max!muS
Team-eScape
10:53 11/5/2004
cool :) aztec used 2 be good on 1.5 but was really over played like d2 is now be good 2 see a new map [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
11:01 11/5/2004
Looks considerably better than fire or his retarded attempts at making aztec more playable, shame he's an utter bellend [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
darkst0rm
the demonic radicals
11:01 11/5/2004
Cool, a new map. Just what's needed. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Max!muS
Team-eScape
11:02 11/5/2004
indeed it is lets get a nuke2 or train2 on the go :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
darkst0rm
the demonic radicals
11:03 11/5/2004
what you on about son [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
darkst0rm
the demonic radicals
11:03 11/5/2004
sorry was talkin about flick, sod it im off anyway [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Beast0
unicon.cs
11:04 11/5/2004
Why is he a bellend? was at school with him, and he didnt have the curvey bell end shape then [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
dh
11:04 11/5/2004
New fps killer [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Obsidian
11:05 11/5/2004
i'm thinking CSGN might use this ;) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Max!muS
Team-eScape
11:06 11/5/2004
He wants all the glory [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
11:06 11/5/2004
Because his arguements he makes on csnation are as consistent as diarrhetic whippet s*** [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
xerpt
reaL1ty
11:06 11/5/2004
did any one play the map made for cxg? de_cxg_damage? its actually a pretty decent map if u give it a chance, shame cxg screwed up so we'll never see it in use, shame cs needs a few new maps to bring new life into the game i think anyway [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Max!muS
Team-eScape
11:08 11/5/2004
Yeah well i was looking along the lines of another nuke or train inferno is a good map could be good all that ;D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
11:15 11/5/2004
Take for example his noble realisation that aztec is s*** for fps that he has commented about on his site and for the benefit of the esports community he's going to "look into it"! And yet he reduces options and alters the gameplay of the map by moving spawns, introducing boxes, getting rid of gaps between boxes (because they were never meant to be there!). Some changes are good, some are absymal, but he refuses to acknowledge any of it. It's what he wants, therefore it's right.

I mean, it has taken up until March 17th 2004 for him to look into fps problems on aztec, before then there were none, for the lord hath spoken [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Max!muS
Team-eScape
11:20 11/5/2004
really [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Inferus
11:21 11/5/2004
True DoZ. Not only did he get rid of awping through the lil gap in the box, he made a box bug so the entire box disappears! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
alkor
11:33 11/5/2004
cool [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Max!muS
Team-eScape
11:34 11/5/2004
b******!!!! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
11:40 11/5/2004
Plus we just like zorro [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ripper
Rush!
11:43 11/5/2004
and me [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Max!muS
Team-eScape
11:44 11/5/2004
any one hear zorro when he did the commentating on some matches haha quality [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
11:45 11/5/2004
we wub steve! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Necroboy
fightclubclan
11:46 11/5/2004
flick sounds 12.

I wouldnt mind csgn using more custom maps, it really does make the game a little more interesting. There are lots of good ones out there. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Venomous
BLACKLiGHT
12:05 11/5/2004
nice map, looks a bit complicated and CPU hungry to be a competition map, but we'll see :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Offspr1ng
12:13 11/5/2004
Flick should fail his trial for cussin' the mighty Zorro [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Blinder
Random Five
12:17 11/5/2004
Looks ok I guess, anything has got to be better than what you see every single night on warfinder:

5v5 / d2 / skilled / pm

If I have to play dust2 one more time.......Grrrr

Rather play a PCW on jeepathon_2k atm.... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Bean
funky monkey dealer
12:19 11/5/2004
And I quote,

[11:13:50] <flicK> I've had enough anyway, all you anti-elists illiterate tabloidism w**kers can screw your f***ing news site. It's a load of f***ing s*** - wouldn't be surprised if you stole the whole site coding from another site the way you're going. And bean foad and aids thanks, you're not smart, you're a prat. tara
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Dustaz
Alert
12:26 11/5/2004
Looking for a new news triallee then? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
eKs
12:52 11/5/2004
"all you anti-elists illiterate tabloidism w**kers can screw your f***ing news site."

ROFL!!!

He clearly doesn't have a clue about what he's actually saying. Does he mean elitest not anti-elitest? and what is a 'tabloidism w**ker' may I ask. Something to do with Zorro and page 3? :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
eKs
12:53 11/5/2004
Thank god he wont be posting any news ;) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
TaMiLTiGeR
13:02 11/5/2004
lol b4 reading flicks comments, i was gonna just post "flick is a c**k"

Guess i was correct! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ripper
Rush!
13:06 11/5/2004
thats no way to talk about the official Rush! topic changer. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Solid`
Choke
13:09 11/5/2004
lol :) /me looks at gfx card... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Weebull
13:10 11/5/2004
mill, inferno = quality
fire, aztec = not bad
airstrip (which he also did?) = somewhat poo

I'll wait and see where this one ranks.

Oh, and lol @ flicK. Well done lad. :o [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ensnare
Atari.Crew
13:12 11/5/2004
Looks good hopefully will be suitable for matchs. The screenshots make it look rather complex compared to most match maps though, we will have to see. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Aunt
14:03 11/5/2004
flick is a f***ing moron. He constantly shoots his mouth off with obnoxious dribble [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
NukleuZ
Black Death Warriors
14:10 11/5/2004
looks nice.. would be good to have a new map put in that people will actually play makes a change from the same boring old s*** like dust2 [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
prawn
14:33 11/5/2004
The map'll probably be ok, but I guarantee it'll cause fps drops and he'll do sweet f/a to sort it out once people start complaining. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Wood
14:47 11/5/2004
If my CPU saw this would have a heart attack. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
e
15:02 11/5/2004
I think he made this map to p*** u off doz HEHEHHEHE nob [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
e
15:04 11/5/2004
and flicks an even bigger prick than doz.

map looks good [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
narby
15:08 11/5/2004
Hey Dave

As for the comments regarding CPU usage and FPS - Aztec and Aztec 2 are being worked on to address the problems. Aztec has been optimized (about 50 entites removed for server CPU) and a number of other changes including rain removal and a few other tweaks.

Apparently "not giving two s***s about the community until they whine about it" is evident in numerous appeals and polls to ask everyone what they'd like to be changed. Aztec and inferno have been revamped and bugs fixed for years - since they came out. For example, people said the thunder in aztec made thier fps drop slightly. We polled this and it was exactly 50/50 as to who wanted it removed (out of 4300 people). Please don't give me that crap about not caring about the fps of the player considering I've done more than most to address issues raised by the community, and will continue to do so. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Turk1sh
15:21 11/5/2004
Time to upgrade up again then last aztec made me get whole new setup [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Orrill
15:23 11/5/2004
Buy new pc's to cope with the fps drops, keep with the times! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Grunt
15:36 11/5/2004
hope it turns out ok, bout time there was a new decent war map to play [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
[GaZ]
15:38 11/5/2004
looks k

but 2 much like a asian temple

dh and TT will be right @ home [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
15:43 11/5/2004
How exactly will he p*** me off by making a map "e"?

Maybe if we hold our own polls we can see another change made to aztec before the end of the Mayan calendar? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ReCoN^
15:59 11/5/2004
keep the rain :< [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Kr1stal
16:12 11/5/2004
i posted this tbh at 7.30 to be on the news THIEF! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Stevenson
16:31 11/5/2004
Looks decent but im pretty sure my cpu would rather overheat and die than struggle with that :| [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Myers
Saviour of UKT
UKTerrorist
17:32 11/5/2004
Congratulations guys, you finally managed to p*** off a mapmaker, big pat on the back for that one.

In all fairness I appreciate the effort that narby puts into his maps and they are easily amongst the best out there. Maps such as Inferno and Aztec have been through an incredible amount of changes all as a result of community feedback (or i assume it was, otherwise why not do it right the first time? :)).

p.s. I miss cs_thunder. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
GRiFFiN
Virtual Gaming!
17:38 11/5/2004
oh jesus /me looks at new graphics cards [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Otis
Rush!
18:36 11/5/2004
Who gives a s*** what it looks like, its how it plays that matters [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
MeGaMaN-
Rush!
18:40 11/5/2004
Change is what keeps cs interesting, and its not like aztec is one of the most popular maps anymore anyway. Current aztec mocks my fps anyway so no skin off my snout [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Roar^
19:00 11/5/2004
The screenshots look pretty nice. Dont really have fps problems atm so no gripes from me. I did however before my christmas upgrade, aztec was a real b***h of an fps killer. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Roar^
19:02 11/5/2004
poor Myers, sounds like a disappointed parent telling his kids off... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Sluggeh
zebras
19:10 11/5/2004
do you get the option of picking a lara croft skin? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Otis
Rush!
19:23 11/5/2004
no you dont mark, you angst ridden teenager you! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
logik
piranhas
20:31 11/5/2004
you can't polish a turd [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
fez
20:42 11/5/2004
i think fire would be a good map if it was made smaller and slightly less complicated [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
MonkH
21:44 11/5/2004
fire isnt realy complicated people just dont play it so they dont under stand it and there scared off things they dont under stand [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
dh
21:55 11/5/2004
inferno is the best map never knew it was made by barby [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
MonkH
23:15 11/5/2004
anyone seen the inferno_cz one its so amazing tbh imo g g w p [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
S[H]ack
23:43 11/5/2004
My PC can't really handle Aztec 1.6 so I doubt I'll get many frames on this one :( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
07:30 12/5/2004
Not really hard to p*** him off myers if you've ever seen the retarded s*** he'd spew out on csn

Yeah, he makes some great maps, and he makes p***poor ones. He makes some great changes, and he makes some bulls*** ones. That's to be expected. But the holier than thou crap he'd give people who said, "Sorry Narby but all 5000 of us who have commented on how s*** a bright yellow lamp looks on aztec still cannot agree that it should be there just because they use it on real digs, this is a game...". My my were they letting themselves in for a royal footstamping when that came up [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
-Naz-
fightclubclan
08:42 12/5/2004
ppl should really consider buying a better computer if they are still whining about aztec... either put up with it or stfu cos cs is one of the smoothest games i play, what the f*** are you guys gonna whine about when it dies and you have to play a dx9 game that will run like s*** on your crappy pc's... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DK
Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate
10:06 12/5/2004
Congratulations guys, you finally managed to p*** off a mapmaker, big pat on the back for that one.

haha f***ing love this site!

Even the big boys sign up for a little bit of flame. I bet narby never even bothered with this site till DoZ gave him a bashing :D

good job lads, keep it up! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Grom^
12:16 12/5/2004
Why does UKTerrorist find it so difficult to host images on its own server? You even have to leech the thumbnails off csnation.... very poor.

and narby - yaaarrrr! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
narby
12:45 12/5/2004
Remind me about this "holier than thou crap". [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
.Xtreme.
n00bhands
13:34 12/5/2004
Looks nice, just hope my PC can handle it. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Noah-
r4ngers
14:38 12/5/2004
doz what are you on about, barny is the ONLY mapper who understands how to make map, ie simple and concise rather then the stupid and PATHETIC makers of the likes of torn, chateu etc. sit down ;p [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Noah-
r4ngers
14:42 12/5/2004
i agree with myers, if valve took a step in narbys direction things would be a LOT better at least he tries. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Toomy
15:47 12/5/2004
hmm, in the interview the guy talks about what makes a good map, yet in the screenshots every place you'd need an fov of 180 degrees to cover efficently. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
16:29 12/5/2004
I'd be happy to paste examples to you n@rby if I cared enough to find the csn post from those months ago

Noah-, I'm referring to n@rby's attitude and SOME of the changes he made. His texture choices (bright dulux white walls in an aztec ruin? shows total ignorance of the difficulty to see xhairs in high resolutions on bright maps and is just downright ugly), items introduced (yellow lamps that were most definitely not welcome at any point on any forum I read), aspects of maps altered (moving spawns so that the overall change in spawn's is equivalent to 2 crates, that altered times it took to get to choke points by around a second; removal the gap between the crates at the bridge, supposedly done because "it wasn't meant to be there" originally - totally disregarding that it was a widely used and nice feature), his bulls***tery regarding those and plenty more features over in the csn comments.

I'm not saying everything he does is s***, inferno is my favourite map for both clan and public play, mill is a great clan map; but it doesn't negate what I said.

I am intrigued though n@rby, how long have you read ukt for? The odd browse and you come riding in to defend yourself soon as Beast0 says someone is badmouthing you? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
16:36 12/5/2004
And no he's not the "ONLY" mapper who knows how to make good maps. Yeah most of his maps are better than other ones that cs likes to throw at us (s***eau, rotterw**k, piranesi etc), but he puts in his fair share of diabolical ones (fire, airfield). There are other map makers (DaveJ, Chris, MEEEEDIC) who do great jobs on certain maps too [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
narby
18:14 12/5/2004
I read a lot of news sites.

I'm still at a loss to find where your spite is eminating from. Please feel free to post those examples from CSN.

Also, what exactly is wrong with the yellow lights in your opinion? I'm not altogether clear as what your point is - you think they're unecessary for what reason? FPS? "realism"?

I certainly won't argue with your point about the textures being bright, but since then the CZ replacement textures are a little darker. Those screenshots also appear a little washed out.

You should also understand, I appreciate everyone is fully entitled to their opinion about anything they choose. I'm interested in know what your problem is with my "attitude". [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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