CSGN Anti Cheat

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	DooMeh Lite 19:22 2/2/2005	go stonoononononoo [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	richeh #thkillerz 19:22 2/2/2005	shame anyone on a uni connection cant use it.... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	monkE euthanasia 19:23 2/2/2005	what rich said ^ need to find a way around that.... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Atemi ForsakeN 19:25 2/2/2005	you still using firewalledgaming mr monke cos if so get onto mr lebron (Starborn) see what magic he can weave. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Crappy Super Breasts 19:30 2/2/2005	Would have thought they would have anticipated alot of people with uni connections not being able to use it and so change the port it uses? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	alpha Da boss Inspired Gaming 19:48 2/2/2005	Seems odd that some people at Uni would have ports open allowing them to play games but this wouldn't work. What port does it use? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Inferus 19:50 2/2/2005	set it to use port 21 :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ColdAsIce ImaGine 20:07 2/2/2005	The program is really good just needs tweaked which Stono knows about it. Once you get it running you dont even notice it running at all. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Hayes- 20:25 2/2/2005	The ports for games AREN'T open alpha, thats the point. The reason monkE is playing CS is because of a UDP tunnel made by someone from the computing society, hence the connection being tempremental :) I assume its the same for 90% of people on a University connection too! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	stabby Virgins! 21:12 2/2/2005	it was fine for me the other day atuni but it went to update todayand got a runtime error. :[ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Crappy Super Breasts 21:14 2/2/2005	Yer the proggy itself seems good. No fps loss or system lag that I noticed at all. Unlike the vaguely similar CSAC which gave a bit of lag when it took a screenshot. The defualt port for ths csgn on is 80. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	empathy 21:36 2/2/2005	fs, a port which is blocked by many lol [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	w000kie 21:54 2/2/2005	Atemi, Starborn never sorted his Server out he said he would but never did monke was waiting weeks while starborn ignored him on irc when the guy was idle for 1minute. monke is using a different guy through a vpn now so hopefully they can sort it for him. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	$aVa$ ImaGine 22:21 2/2/2005	I do love that cfg upload thing. Found so many script kids and exploiters allready by clicking on ranodm profiles on csgn, lovely haha. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Az RemOte.uK 22:33 2/2/2005	name and shame [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dmx 22:40 2/2/2005	why do i still geo's account when i look on csgn?? thought he was permantley banned ? bind "h" "fps_max 10;cl_yawspeed 3600;wait;+left;wait;-left;fps_max 100;cl_yawspeed 210;fps_max 10;cl_yawspeed 3600;wait;+left;wait;-left;wait;fps_max 999;cl_yawspeed 210" wot does that do?? seen it in his cfg [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	RuLe\| 22:43 2/2/2005	that im pretty sure is the 180 turn script [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	georgeda 22:57 2/2/2005	its a 180 script, i cant use it in game as i use arrows and its on H... try and stretch ur fingers :) its there for fun! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	muffin The Incarnate 23:02 2/2/2005	You could have one of the disablists keyboards that harriman uses. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	jaff 00:35 3/2/2005	none of our game ports are blocked at uni, but still this one doesnt work port change please! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Choke\|MaT Choke 00:41 3/2/2005	geo, why dont you use your 3 rather large configs instead when you test out the csgn software? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	georgeda 01:33 3/2/2005	when i used to config i had _1_ seperate cfg, get ur facts right matey :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	georgeda 01:40 3/2/2005	is there a secret anti-geo society where you make up random rumors about me? :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Cyren Specster 02:26 3/2/2005	its not secret [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	w1cked Croydon 05:17 3/2/2005	name & shame $aVa$ :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obsidian 07:54 3/2/2005	To comment on the issues raised about a potential hack being developed JUST for the CSGN private anticheat (only used within our league and NOT public ....) Stono has decided to change language and recode the entire thing, ultimately rendering their attempts... well... we'll see. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	JediBitch fightclubclan 07:58 3/2/2005	awesomeness [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	georgeda 08:42 3/2/2005	To comment on the issues raised about a potential hack being developed JUST for the CSGN private anticheat (only used within our league and NOT public ....) Stono has decided to change language and recode the entire thing, ultimately rendering their attempts... well... we'll see. their attempts... useless untill the anticheat is released :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Venomous BLACKLiGHT 08:43 3/2/2005	i have anti recoil and bunny hop script guys, but its on my h and k keys and i use arrows, LoL it is just for fun mates [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	georgeda 09:11 3/2/2005	bunnyhop script isnt 'cheating'. antirecoil is in a different league to 180... think about it, its actually easyer to look away from whereever the flash is coming from than just to blindly 180. and assuming you're not using a 1 sens on 60hz i'm sure everyone can do a 180 ;) you people are just upset it didnt find anythin more :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fezemoN 09:14 3/2/2005	ye me too kenny, i also have wh bound to my home key. i use wasd tho so its hard to reach, only there for fun or when i need it in important games [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	M4ce intensiveSports 09:18 3/2/2005	LoL [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Valar` The Anti-DoZ 09:21 3/2/2005	theres a 10 megaton nuke strapped to my c**k and its got your name on it fez! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Tazzle 09:28 3/2/2005	My sens gives about 60 degree turns [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	NoNo^ 09:49 3/2/2005	dont work dies at update any ideas? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	M4ce intensiveSports 10:19 3/2/2005	its down atm as its being recoded etc [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	oldlady 10:47 3/2/2005	11.09 4 life HAHA [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DK Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate 12:19 3/2/2005	the fact it was cracked so soon really doenst instill alot of confidence for the new version either. cheats will always win and always deny they cheat. everyone should just cheat to level the playign field, then we'll just overturn any results the leagues aint happy with so we have the same few clans with the biggest bum boy followers winning all the time. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rigante 13:45 3/2/2005	has it been proved it was cracked or is it still just that rather dodgy screenie floating around? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DK Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate 14:09 3/2/2005	which rather dodgy screeny? plus if it has been cracked, surely proving it would be as hard as proving someone cheats? unless they basically come out and say im a fvcking hacker and ive cracked it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fezemoN 14:32 3/2/2005	how did they crack it if its not being used yet? not defending it or anything just wondered how it got cracked [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blinder Random Five 15:03 3/2/2005	DK - There are many ways to skin a cat - and we'll be using the most secure ones to make sure that the data we get from players during games remains clean and untampered with - for your pleasure. Have some optimism man! fez - the Anti Cheat was made available for public download as part of a testing cycle. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DK Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate 15:08 3/2/2005	blinder ive been in this game for 5 yrs. tell me again why i should have some optimism? optimism is for the foolish, im a realist! good luck skining your cats. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obsidian 16:10 3/2/2005	DK, of all people, I would expect a little more research from you before you go and try arguing a point. It would appear that you are believing the oh so reliable UKT banter! ;) To address some of the important points you made. a) There was no sound evidence that the CSGN AntiCheat was cracked apart from a rather suspicious (photoshop jobby) looking screenshot. We are merely being sceptical, something you know all about! b) Our choice to recode the anticheat was based on the noted scepticism made in point a) This WILL prevent their previous theoretical methodology from working. (excuse the words with more than 10 letters!) c) Proving it had been hacked is not all that hard baring in mind they need to release it for it to be used. The suggestion of cracking the CSGN AntiCheat was made by a “mainstream” hacking group – which I personally take as a complement. If they consider it good enough to justify spending the time hacking it, then we’re doing something right. Wubwub, jamie [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ndm 16:11 3/2/2005	http://www.shadoworks.nl/randomfiles/csgnhacked.gif ^ The hacked screenshot. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	tiz 16:46 3/2/2005	Premature releases never go down well, just ask valve. Looking forward to the next release. ;) -tiz [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blinder Random Five 16:47 3/2/2005	DK, I've been "in this game" as well for nigh on the same number of years as you have.....I might not be as "famous" ;) but I have no desire to be.... I've been coding and developing Microsoft systems for ten years commercially now - for major blue chips, small companies, blah blah blah........and I'm very much involved with the CSGN effort to stop cheating in season 6. I understand your POV re "can cheating be stopped", but as i said before - all you have to do is throw time and effort at the problem, and with a combination of prerequisites i.e. the uploaded demos, the screenshots, the anti cheat itself, and secure technology, it's completely possible to derive enough evidence that can't be tampered with to weed out the cheaters, (see the stir the config uploader is causing already) and if it's not 100% secure first time round - we'll do it till it is - for your pleasure. ...If the Inland revenue will allow my software company to develop secure e-submissions software to submit stamp duty applications for £tens of millions securely, I'm sure I can help CSGN - or I can at least try eh ;) gl hf B /me passes a half full cup to DK <3 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	tiz 17:13 3/2/2005	Without sounding too cynical Blinder from Random Five, dont you think your commitments would be better served developing something worthwhile? ;) And what software company do you own/manage? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	tiz 17:16 3/2/2005	And when you said "involved" with the CSGN efforts to stop cheating, did you not mean "appreciative"? or did you help them code the beta? Because its no where near finished ;) -tiz [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obsidian 17:39 3/2/2005	Tiz: The Anticheat wasn't a premature release - it was finished for beta testing, and it was intended to be put through its paces. Tiz: Blinder's input into the CSGN AntiCheat software was invaluable and without him it is unlikely it would have made it off the ground. He had a significant part to play in its coding development. he did "hlep them code the beta". :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dmx 18:05 3/2/2005	Blinder Random Five 16:47 3/2/2005 I've been coding and developing Microsoft systems for ten years commercially now its doomed to failure if u worked for microsoft [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Pimpboy feo 18:38 3/2/2005	"everyone should just cheat to level the playign field, then we'll just overturn any results the leagues aint happy with so we have the same few clans with the biggest bum boy followers winning all the time." ahh now i understand why you brough frantiC in your team ;P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	tiz 18:44 3/2/2005	DMX, i wouldnt be so hard on blinder, after all Windows XP is riddled with unmodifiable data compilation features! With that said, obs, its nice to know you and your team are actually going through with this and making an attempt, That alone deserves some sort of commendation. Actions speak louder than words. Hope it works out for you obs, if blinder's and good as you say, yourself, blinder, and stono should have no problem developing a solid/stable cheat detection application for an online league which i would rate the best in the UK! Again, hope it works out. Take care. -tiz [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blinder Random Five 18:45 3/2/2005	dmx - lol n1 :) tiz-^^ see the above answers, and as for justifying my credentials with you - unless you are offering me a job - I don't think I really need to do that for you :) As for my commitments tiz, thanks for your concern, but i'm sure i'll manage.....i'm happy helping with, and feel lucky to be a part of CSGN, and their cause I consider to be extremely worthwhile. Right decent bunch o people if you ask me @ CSGN. <3 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	tiz 18:51 3/2/2005	unmodifiable data compilation & transmitting features! Might I just add. Also, I was asking who your company was, not what your credentials where. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	richeh #thkillerz 02:19 4/2/2005	sorry to sound like an idiot... but surely if the screenshot thing is hacked... it sends no screenshots yes? so erm people who play games and dont have screenshots might be a bit obvious... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	CyaNide` 03:03 4/2/2005	i think it would just send a screenshot that looks legit. not sure tho [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Champion In The Zone 10:33 4/2/2005	i wonna see what its like but i cant download the update on the installer get connection error :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obsidian 11:05 4/2/2005	richeh i dont mean this in a bad way so dont take offence, but take a step back. There are othre ways things back be hacked. CyaNide` has the right idea. Basically it was thought that they might be able to hook into our anticheat with their cheat, see when the screenshot event was called into play, disable cheats, and reenable them after. Champion: Your probabaly not a big csgn guy, but there is a lot of information on our forums as to why the anticheat is down. I've also touched on it a few times in my comments on here; we're makeing a new one. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Champion In The Zone 12:14 4/2/2005	yeh, im not a big fan of forums, i knew you were making a new anti-cheat but thought you may of left the other 1 up so ppl can play on csgn pub server [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DK Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate 16:12 4/2/2005	no need to apologise obsidian, I can read and understand 10 letter words. as for me being famous blinder, I have no desire to be either. I'm sure you meant infamous anyway. a few more letters, not quite 10, but I'm sure obsidian can explain the difference if wants. Nor do I wish to be a progamer or to be the #1 and have a million idlers or fanboys. I merely wish to enjoy a fair game of cs win or lose. Again you didnt answer why I should be optimistic? Because you've been in the game near 5yrs aswell? In that time what has been achieved that hasnt been undone immediately by the cheaters? Everything. Now you want me to be optimistic because you're involved and your company develops secure e-submission software/applications? However I am optismistic that this anti cheat will loser the amount of cheats competing in CSGN and minimise those games were you come out the server afterwards knowing you've been unfairly done over. I'm grateful for that, however if I play a game no amount of anti cheat is going to tell me otherwise when I 'get that known to well feeling' that one of their team is hacking his arse off and won't be found out. final note: I'm a fan of csgn and its league, and it's work in trying to make it as clean and fair as possible is both commendable and admirable. Just down speak down to your customers/players/teams like you're some messiah because your involved in one of many attempts to stop cheating. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blinder Random Five 17:29 4/2/2005	no need to gutter this straight away DK - resorting to a critique of my use of words - where does that get us??? I did mean famous btw - as in you being so well known in the UK cs community - thats all. /shrug And to answer your question directly, you should be optimistic because with the uploading of screenshots, demos, and configs, new development languages, database references, and plugins we should reach a point where cheaters simply cannot circumvent both the rules and the software. They could do it in the past 5 years because the engine remained the same, and the hooks and hacks remained the same - with the advent of .NET and other goodies things are changing....so you should be optimistic. I'm not talking down to you or anyone else either DK, but i'm not about to post my cv or personal details on here because someone thinks i'm 14 and am shouting bs - i'll just be chuffed if we can get rid of incidents like ants vs landed, and c4u vs 4k - the references to my experience are designed to give you some optimism thats all, not belittle anyone, and yes because of the work i've done in other applications you should take that into account - why not? The technology is very similar and cant be hacked - so why not apply it to CSGN Anti Cheat? I just want to see a fair game of cs the same as you do...... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Messiah Game2XS.Monkey Magic 18:31 4/2/2005	gl with it, CSGN usually an alright league so a few less cheats in it would make it better [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	richeh #thkillerz 19:02 4/2/2005	ah yea obs :) it was late :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Pimpboy feo 14:26 5/2/2005	DK you contradict yourself big time mate you say you get that "feeling" when your being hacked and nothing can take that away well THATS what landed and lastchance had vs ants and you mocked them for it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

	DooMeh Lite 19:22 2/2/2005	go stonoononononoo [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	richeh #thkillerz 19:22 2/2/2005	shame anyone on a uni connection cant use it.... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	monkE euthanasia 19:23 2/2/2005	what rich said ^ need to find a way around that.... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Atemi ForsakeN 19:25 2/2/2005	you still using firewalledgaming mr monke cos if so get onto mr lebron (Starborn) see what magic he can weave. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Crappy Super Breasts 19:30 2/2/2005	Would have thought they would have anticipated alot of people with uni connections not being able to use it and so change the port it uses? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	alpha Da boss Inspired Gaming 19:48 2/2/2005	Seems odd that some people at Uni would have ports open allowing them to play games but this wouldn't work. What port does it use? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Inferus 19:50 2/2/2005	set it to use port 21 :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ColdAsIce ImaGine 20:07 2/2/2005	The program is really good just needs tweaked which Stono knows about it. Once you get it running you dont even notice it running at all. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Hayes- 20:25 2/2/2005	The ports for games AREN'T open alpha, thats the point. The reason monkE is playing CS is because of a UDP tunnel made by someone from the computing society, hence the connection being tempremental :) I assume its the same for 90% of people on a University connection too! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	stabby Virgins! 21:12 2/2/2005	it was fine for me the other day atuni but it went to update todayand got a runtime error. :[ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Crappy Super Breasts 21:14 2/2/2005	Yer the proggy itself seems good. No fps loss or system lag that I noticed at all. Unlike the vaguely similar CSAC which gave a bit of lag when it took a screenshot. The defualt port for ths csgn on is 80. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	empathy 21:36 2/2/2005	fs, a port which is blocked by many lol [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	w000kie 21:54 2/2/2005	Atemi, Starborn never sorted his Server out he said he would but never did monke was waiting weeks while starborn ignored him on irc when the guy was idle for 1minute. monke is using a different guy through a vpn now so hopefully they can sort it for him. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	$aVa$ ImaGine 22:21 2/2/2005	I do love that cfg upload thing. Found so many script kids and exploiters allready by clicking on ranodm profiles on csgn, lovely haha. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Az RemOte.uK 22:33 2/2/2005	name and shame [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dmx 22:40 2/2/2005	why do i still geo's account when i look on csgn?? thought he was permantley banned ? bind "h" "fps_max 10;cl_yawspeed 3600;wait;+left;wait;-left;fps_max 100;cl_yawspeed 210;fps_max 10;cl_yawspeed 3600;wait;+left;wait;-left;wait;fps_max 999;cl_yawspeed 210" wot does that do?? seen it in his cfg [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	RuLe\| 22:43 2/2/2005	that im pretty sure is the 180 turn script [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	georgeda 22:57 2/2/2005	its a 180 script, i cant use it in game as i use arrows and its on H... try and stretch ur fingers :) its there for fun! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	muffin The Incarnate 23:02 2/2/2005	You could have one of the disablists keyboards that harriman uses. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	jaff 00:35 3/2/2005	none of our game ports are blocked at uni, but still this one doesnt work port change please! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Choke\|MaT Choke 00:41 3/2/2005	geo, why dont you use your 3 rather large configs instead when you test out the csgn software? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	georgeda 01:33 3/2/2005	when i used to config i had _1_ seperate cfg, get ur facts right matey :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	georgeda 01:40 3/2/2005	is there a secret anti-geo society where you make up random rumors about me? :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Cyren Specster 02:26 3/2/2005	its not secret [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	w1cked Croydon 05:17 3/2/2005	name & shame $aVa$ :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obsidian 07:54 3/2/2005	To comment on the issues raised about a potential hack being developed JUST for the CSGN private anticheat (only used within our league and NOT public ....) Stono has decided to change language and recode the entire thing, ultimately rendering their attempts... well... we'll see. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	JediBitch fightclubclan 07:58 3/2/2005	awesomeness [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	georgeda 08:42 3/2/2005	To comment on the issues raised about a potential hack being developed JUST for the CSGN private anticheat (only used within our league and NOT public ....) Stono has decided to change language and recode the entire thing, ultimately rendering their attempts... well... we'll see. their attempts... useless untill the anticheat is released :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Venomous BLACKLiGHT 08:43 3/2/2005	i have anti recoil and bunny hop script guys, but its on my h and k keys and i use arrows, LoL it is just for fun mates [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	georgeda 09:11 3/2/2005	bunnyhop script isnt 'cheating'. antirecoil is in a different league to 180... think about it, its actually easyer to look away from whereever the flash is coming from than just to blindly 180. and assuming you're not using a 1 sens on 60hz i'm sure everyone can do a 180 ;) you people are just upset it didnt find anythin more :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fezemoN 09:14 3/2/2005	ye me too kenny, i also have wh bound to my home key. i use wasd tho so its hard to reach, only there for fun or when i need it in important games [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	M4ce intensiveSports 09:18 3/2/2005	LoL [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Valar` The Anti-DoZ 09:21 3/2/2005	theres a 10 megaton nuke strapped to my c**k and its got your name on it fez! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Tazzle 09:28 3/2/2005	My sens gives about 60 degree turns [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	NoNo^ 09:49 3/2/2005	dont work dies at update any ideas? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	M4ce intensiveSports 10:19 3/2/2005	its down atm as its being recoded etc [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	oldlady 10:47 3/2/2005	11.09 4 life HAHA [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DK Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate 12:19 3/2/2005	the fact it was cracked so soon really doenst instill alot of confidence for the new version either. cheats will always win and always deny they cheat. everyone should just cheat to level the playign field, then we'll just overturn any results the leagues aint happy with so we have the same few clans with the biggest bum boy followers winning all the time. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rigante 13:45 3/2/2005	has it been proved it was cracked or is it still just that rather dodgy screenie floating around? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DK Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate 14:09 3/2/2005	which rather dodgy screeny? plus if it has been cracked, surely proving it would be as hard as proving someone cheats? unless they basically come out and say im a fvcking hacker and ive cracked it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fezemoN 14:32 3/2/2005	how did they crack it if its not being used yet? not defending it or anything just wondered how it got cracked [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blinder Random Five 15:03 3/2/2005	DK - There are many ways to skin a cat - and we'll be using the most secure ones to make sure that the data we get from players during games remains clean and untampered with - for your pleasure. Have some optimism man! fez - the Anti Cheat was made available for public download as part of a testing cycle. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DK Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate 15:08 3/2/2005	blinder ive been in this game for 5 yrs. tell me again why i should have some optimism? optimism is for the foolish, im a realist! good luck skining your cats. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obsidian 16:10 3/2/2005	DK, of all people, I would expect a little more research from you before you go and try arguing a point. It would appear that you are believing the oh so reliable UKT banter! ;) To address some of the important points you made. a) There was no sound evidence that the CSGN AntiCheat was cracked apart from a rather suspicious (photoshop jobby) looking screenshot. We are merely being sceptical, something you know all about! b) Our choice to recode the anticheat was based on the noted scepticism made in point a) This WILL prevent their previous theoretical methodology from working. (excuse the words with more than 10 letters!) c) Proving it had been hacked is not all that hard baring in mind they need to release it for it to be used. The suggestion of cracking the CSGN AntiCheat was made by a “mainstream” hacking group – which I personally take as a complement. If they consider it good enough to justify spending the time hacking it, then we’re doing something right. Wubwub, jamie [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ndm 16:11 3/2/2005	http://www.shadoworks.nl/randomfiles/csgnhacked.gif ^ The hacked screenshot. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	tiz 16:46 3/2/2005	Premature releases never go down well, just ask valve. Looking forward to the next release. ;) -tiz [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blinder Random Five 16:47 3/2/2005	DK, I've been "in this game" as well for nigh on the same number of years as you have.....I might not be as "famous" ;) but I have no desire to be.... I've been coding and developing Microsoft systems for ten years commercially now - for major blue chips, small companies, blah blah blah........and I'm very much involved with the CSGN effort to stop cheating in season 6. I understand your POV re "can cheating be stopped", but as i said before - all you have to do is throw time and effort at the problem, and with a combination of prerequisites i.e. the uploaded demos, the screenshots, the anti cheat itself, and secure technology, it's completely possible to derive enough evidence that can't be tampered with to weed out the cheaters, (see the stir the config uploader is causing already) and if it's not 100% secure first time round - we'll do it till it is - for your pleasure. ...If the Inland revenue will allow my software company to develop secure e-submissions software to submit stamp duty applications for £tens of millions securely, I'm sure I can help CSGN - or I can at least try eh ;) gl hf B /me passes a half full cup to DK <3 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	tiz 17:13 3/2/2005	Without sounding too cynical Blinder from Random Five, dont you think your commitments would be better served developing something worthwhile? ;) And what software company do you own/manage? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	tiz 17:16 3/2/2005	And when you said "involved" with the CSGN efforts to stop cheating, did you not mean "appreciative"? or did you help them code the beta? Because its no where near finished ;) -tiz [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obsidian 17:39 3/2/2005	Tiz: The Anticheat wasn't a premature release - it was finished for beta testing, and it was intended to be put through its paces. Tiz: Blinder's input into the CSGN AntiCheat software was invaluable and without him it is unlikely it would have made it off the ground. He had a significant part to play in its coding development. he did "hlep them code the beta". :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dmx 18:05 3/2/2005	Blinder Random Five 16:47 3/2/2005 I've been coding and developing Microsoft systems for ten years commercially now its doomed to failure if u worked for microsoft [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Pimpboy feo 18:38 3/2/2005	"everyone should just cheat to level the playign field, then we'll just overturn any results the leagues aint happy with so we have the same few clans with the biggest bum boy followers winning all the time." ahh now i understand why you brough frantiC in your team ;P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	tiz 18:44 3/2/2005	DMX, i wouldnt be so hard on blinder, after all Windows XP is riddled with unmodifiable data compilation features! With that said, obs, its nice to know you and your team are actually going through with this and making an attempt, That alone deserves some sort of commendation. Actions speak louder than words. Hope it works out for you obs, if blinder's and good as you say, yourself, blinder, and stono should have no problem developing a solid/stable cheat detection application for an online league which i would rate the best in the UK! Again, hope it works out. Take care. -tiz [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blinder Random Five 18:45 3/2/2005	dmx - lol n1 :) tiz-^^ see the above answers, and as for justifying my credentials with you - unless you are offering me a job - I don't think I really need to do that for you :) As for my commitments tiz, thanks for your concern, but i'm sure i'll manage.....i'm happy helping with, and feel lucky to be a part of CSGN, and their cause I consider to be extremely worthwhile. Right decent bunch o people if you ask me @ CSGN. <3 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	tiz 18:51 3/2/2005	unmodifiable data compilation & transmitting features! Might I just add. Also, I was asking who your company was, not what your credentials where. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	richeh #thkillerz 02:19 4/2/2005	sorry to sound like an idiot... but surely if the screenshot thing is hacked... it sends no screenshots yes? so erm people who play games and dont have screenshots might be a bit obvious... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	CyaNide` 03:03 4/2/2005	i think it would just send a screenshot that looks legit. not sure tho [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Champion In The Zone 10:33 4/2/2005	i wonna see what its like but i cant download the update on the installer get connection error :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obsidian 11:05 4/2/2005	richeh i dont mean this in a bad way so dont take offence, but take a step back. There are othre ways things back be hacked. CyaNide` has the right idea. Basically it was thought that they might be able to hook into our anticheat with their cheat, see when the screenshot event was called into play, disable cheats, and reenable them after. Champion: Your probabaly not a big csgn guy, but there is a lot of information on our forums as to why the anticheat is down. I've also touched on it a few times in my comments on here; we're makeing a new one. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Champion In The Zone 12:14 4/2/2005	yeh, im not a big fan of forums, i knew you were making a new anti-cheat but thought you may of left the other 1 up so ppl can play on csgn pub server [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DK Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate 16:12 4/2/2005	no need to apologise obsidian, I can read and understand 10 letter words. as for me being famous blinder, I have no desire to be either. I'm sure you meant infamous anyway. a few more letters, not quite 10, but I'm sure obsidian can explain the difference if wants. Nor do I wish to be a progamer or to be the #1 and have a million idlers or fanboys. I merely wish to enjoy a fair game of cs win or lose. Again you didnt answer why I should be optimistic? Because you've been in the game near 5yrs aswell? In that time what has been achieved that hasnt been undone immediately by the cheaters? Everything. Now you want me to be optimistic because you're involved and your company develops secure e-submission software/applications? However I am optismistic that this anti cheat will loser the amount of cheats competing in CSGN and minimise those games were you come out the server afterwards knowing you've been unfairly done over. I'm grateful for that, however if I play a game no amount of anti cheat is going to tell me otherwise when I 'get that known to well feeling' that one of their team is hacking his arse off and won't be found out. final note: I'm a fan of csgn and its league, and it's work in trying to make it as clean and fair as possible is both commendable and admirable. Just down speak down to your customers/players/teams like you're some messiah because your involved in one of many attempts to stop cheating. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blinder Random Five 17:29 4/2/2005	no need to gutter this straight away DK - resorting to a critique of my use of words - where does that get us??? I did mean famous btw - as in you being so well known in the UK cs community - thats all. /shrug And to answer your question directly, you should be optimistic because with the uploading of screenshots, demos, and configs, new development languages, database references, and plugins we should reach a point where cheaters simply cannot circumvent both the rules and the software. They could do it in the past 5 years because the engine remained the same, and the hooks and hacks remained the same - with the advent of .NET and other goodies things are changing....so you should be optimistic. I'm not talking down to you or anyone else either DK, but i'm not about to post my cv or personal details on here because someone thinks i'm 14 and am shouting bs - i'll just be chuffed if we can get rid of incidents like ants vs landed, and c4u vs 4k - the references to my experience are designed to give you some optimism thats all, not belittle anyone, and yes because of the work i've done in other applications you should take that into account - why not? The technology is very similar and cant be hacked - so why not apply it to CSGN Anti Cheat? I just want to see a fair game of cs the same as you do...... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Messiah Game2XS.Monkey Magic 18:31 4/2/2005	gl with it, CSGN usually an alright league so a few less cheats in it would make it better [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	richeh #thkillerz 19:02 4/2/2005	ah yea obs :) it was late :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Pimpboy feo 14:26 5/2/2005	DK you contradict yourself big time mate you say you get that "feeling" when your being hacked and nothing can take that away well THATS what landed and lastchance had vs ants and you mocked them for it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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