Official CPL World Rankings Updated

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	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 21:52 21/11/2003	lol [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	enuex 22:01 21/11/2003	Damn that Hat-Clan!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	p0ng! 22:09 21/11/2003	lol 4k from #5 to #30, not bad :x [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fez 22:09 21/11/2003	lol jokes [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	muffin The Incarnate 22:32 21/11/2003	How can zex be so high up since most of the players left. Practically a different clan now. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	suki 22:52 21/11/2003	wheres team9/adren ? they came 2nd at cpl summer. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Necroboy fightclubclan 22:55 21/11/2003	can you update the ukt rankings, they about as useful as these! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Major_Ted 23:06 21/11/2003	Thanks for the post Myers which as always is much appreciated. In a vain attempt to stem the rather agressive and abusive emails that I seem to be receiving from your users using your points almost word for word here is I hope a reasoned reply which may help the argument along somewhat :-) May I draw your attention to the Health Warning which is linked at the top of The Official CPL Rankings page and which I have copied below. Please note that aside from the health warning points below the laudable gotfrag.com system and The Official CPL Rankings perform too different roles and have two different sets of constraints. The gotfrag.com is a WORLD ranking based on the average of peoples opinions which we can assume are a set of personal analyses of ALL the results that each voter knows about. By contrast The Official CPL Rankings are based on ACTUAL results solely at CPL events and are constrained for food reason as noted in the health warning below. We would love 4Kings to be represented in The Official CPL rankings. However if they choose only to participate infrequently at CPL events (once in the last 5 events) it is hard to see how they can be ranked given the clearly stated ranking rules below. Here is the health warning which covers the other relevant points: The Official CPL Rankings are independently calculated and administered by CSports.net on behalf of The Cyberathlete Professional League. All comments and corrections, which we actively encourage and welcome, should be sent to CSports.net using the feedback button in the menu bar. We wish to emphasize the following: These rankings ARE NOT a measure of the current ability of a clan - no league or ladder is such. Rather as is the case for other sports based leagues we use a historical set of tournaments and matches from which to calculate a ranking. The best measure of current form on the day after a tournament is probably the latest tournament's result sheet. These rankings are NOT used on their own to seed teams for forthcoming events. They may form part of the plethora of information that the seeding committee uses to come to their decision. But whilst seeding requires inputs from multiple sources to inform the decisions that are made, the ultimate seeding list is based on the average of the gut instincts of a group of informed individuals, rather than on a computer program. The current ranking system works as follows: We normalize, rebase to 100 and then average the ranks from each of the CPL tournaments in the preceding 12 months and use the resultant score to rank clans. Disbanded clans are not shown. Clans must have participated in more than one qualifying event to be ranked. Finally, we are not infallible. We make mistakes and we miss disbandments. Your help in keeping us on the straight and narrow is always appreciated. So please use the feedback button. Thanks again for the post on your awesome website which is as always greatly appreciated and hopefully this post will spawn some more mature, meaningful and less abusive feedback. Regards Edward CSports.net [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Darn 23:12 21/11/2003	pawnd.gg riotshield. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:12 21/11/2003	What's that got to do with health? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fez 23:15 21/11/2003	lol just wot i was thinkin DoZ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Major_Ted 23:28 21/11/2003	It's got a lot to do with my health :-) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:31 21/11/2003	http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=health - still don't get it [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ShekkyBoy 23:35 21/11/2003	If useless feedback continues to be posted that contributes nothing to the enhancement of CSports.net, he'll have a heart attack :x [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Hamster r4ngers 23:38 21/11/2003	cpl always has been and always will be american bias. Bush plays Blair for a fool, and so does teh cpl on 4K :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ablation contact! 23:44 21/11/2003	Read the "health" warning. Still don't have a clue why they even bother producing these rankings :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Necroboy fightclubclan 23:47 21/11/2003	So you using they are useless and shouldnt be posted about? I TOTALLY AGREE. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Necroboy fightclubclan 23:48 21/11/2003	using= saying [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Otis Rush! 23:49 21/11/2003	Thanks again for the post on your awesome website which is as always greatly appreciated and hopefully this post will spawn some more mature, meaningful and less abusive feedback Don't be so f*ing patronising you yank ck. Anyone with half a brain can see those 'rankings' are meaningless. Regards Otis Chairman-BNP.co.uk [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Chris0 00:03 22/11/2003	The rankings are pointless, CPL should notice that, and get Official CPL removed from the rankings, surely CPL should be working on seedings for the current abilities of teams, and not just some random positioned stats, teams change and also, the games changes, If only CPL Winter/Summer would be held in Europe, none of these weak usa teams would be in the list, its a shame CPL use these rankings. Even tho gotfrags rankings are some gayboys opinions. No decent ranking system can be put up, should just see the list of the team attending an event, then seed, not looking a these scummy things. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	pie Black Death Warriors 00:04 22/11/2003	wheres gmpo.amd [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	AlleM 00:10 22/11/2003	didn't gmpo finished 2nd CPL copenhagen ? :\| [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Hamster r4ngers 00:27 22/11/2003	top 5 prob looks closer to sk, adren 3d gmpo and 4K tbh [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Necroboy fightclubclan 00:36 22/11/2003	no hamster, not for the Official CPL World Rankings. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Hamster r4ngers 01:22 22/11/2003	talking about hammehrankings tbh cpl dont really show brain power :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MaCcA^ 01:30 22/11/2003	cpl rankings are only for clans who have played in the CPL finals 2 years in a row (i dont think this includes europe events) so they are accurate... for that :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MrLink 01:31 22/11/2003	cpl always has been and always will be american bias True and not true. CPL and two US and two EU events every 12 months, so both sites of the pond have an equal chance in these ranking. More US clan tend to be in the rankings because CPL US tournaments are larger then CPL Europe's. By having twice and many clans taking part, you would expect their two be roughly twice clans ranked, with at 21 US and 9 EU clans in the rankings, it's largely held up. It's also worth noting that while a number of EU clans go to the US tournaments, the same can not be said the other way, with (AFAIK) no US clans having played an a qualify European tournament. I'm sure CPL Europe would love to expand into larger tournaments, but until the CPL and more importantly the players in Europe can convince enough marketing types that this is something worth investing some of their budget on. They here it from us all the time, but we're after their money so it will never carry much weight. It's your money they are after, so when you say it they do listen. In America that's been achieved, and fair play to the. But it's a bit unfair to gripe that the Americans sponsors trying the sell products to American consumers. Don't want to spend their dollars on an event few in the US will ever hear about. And while their may be European branches of the same companies, they all operate independently, and so far they remain unconvinced over here. f*ing patronising you yank ck Yeah, that's about it. As Major Ted said, we always like to hear what people think about our services. Even when it is put so colourfully. But like most people we prefer debate to abuse. But we're happy and confidant to debate our service to all comers. PS, it's brit c**k. ;) wheres gmpo.amd gmpo.amd miss out as the only other tournament they have played in was Oslo, which is just over 12 months ago. To be honest. I know their is nothing I can say here that would convince you that the rankings are valid. We don't claim that these are the definitive world ranking, there is no such thing in any sport. They are simply rankings of the clans who have given up their time and money to take part in the CPL tournaments. For them and most defiantly their sponsor, it can and does mean something. How much will of course vary between person to person. If teams don't take part in one of their two yearly local tournaments then it is unfair for the team that made the effort to have rankings. If ManU failed to turn up to half their premiership matches, but won everything else going. Should the expect to be at the top of the league or be kicked out? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ablation contact! 01:43 22/11/2003	I'm sure CPL Europe would love to expand into larger tournaments, but until the CPL and more importantly the players in Europe can convince enough marketing types that this is something worth investing some of their budget on. How many US teams can you name that have found sponsors willing to fund them to attend European events? And how many (more) European teams have managed to achieve the same thing as regards events in the US? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	vac 02:01 22/11/2003	CPL can go suck a fresh dick.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Mango 02:27 22/11/2003	World gaming organization, Big business investment, Milk it?. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Centrox 02:32 22/11/2003	why the hell isn't CPL Summer 2002 included in the rankings anymore? If they were, 3D would fall like a rock. Typical american bias. "Yeah, lets leave out 1 tournament so 3D is 2nd" [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	emfive 02:37 22/11/2003	Blair couldn't play anyone for a fool even if he plotted for months [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Lumox 03:01 22/11/2003	So let me get this clear centrox, wot you want them to do is to change the rules of the rankings, which seem pretty clear cut, so that US clans get a lower ranking and UK clans get a higher ranking. Isnt that kind of the same as what you are accusing them of doing? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	funky 03:05 22/11/2003	rankings look pretty accurate [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Wlobban thed0n 06:06 22/11/2003	lol funky [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	lukuS 09:11 22/11/2003	to be honest if you want to disagree with CPL rankings just wait until the event... and watch the new scandiwegian 4k team annihilate everything in its path ;) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Necroboy fightclubclan 09:41 22/11/2003	You yanks can explain it over and over, some of these idiots will never get it. That doesnt change the fact that the rankings are of no interest to anyone but cpl seeders. You might aswell save your typing fingers for something more useful, perhaps a 11/9 victims forum. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 10:13 22/11/2003	No Lumox. With a name like world rankings you'd expect it to give a somewhat valid impression of where the teams currently stand in the world. As anyone who knows anything about cs can tell, looking at those rankings they are quite simply a farce and a waste of time. You have to look at them and just go, "why bother? honestly, why bother?". They show nothing of importance except the laughability of closing your eyes to the goings on in the world and focusing on such a small and pointless area of competition that teams who're laughably unknown across 2/3 of the world can get ranked higher than teams who put 3d into double over time. Or teams that've been completely destroyed and remade can be sitting up there still. Still, fiddle it as they might, they haven't managed to make 3d number one, which makes a nice change. We all know the 0 times winners have always been better than SK [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 10:16 22/11/2003	If it was simply "CPL standings" rather than "world rankings", maybe people would be a little more accepting due to the lack of pompous grandiosity [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	polaris church 10:53 22/11/2003	A health warning on some CPL rankings? Sorry if I seem to be missing something here but seems like a croc of s*** to me. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 10:54 22/11/2003	It was set there by Munoz, the people's man... the man who cares. I mean come on, he puts the community second only to the sponsors. And you think he'd leave us without health warnings on rankings? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Kwak 11:07 22/11/2003	4K attended at least 3 CPL's CPL Holland, CPL Winter 2001, CPL Summer 2003 And a couple of qualifiers?:) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 11:29 22/11/2003	he means within the past year pb [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Zorro- Clan [F] 11:32 22/11/2003	a UKT rankings update would be much more newsworthy to me :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 11:34 22/11/2003	these rankings are always good for a laugh [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Pash 11:59 22/11/2003	We don't claim that these are the definitive world ranking, there is no such thing in any sport. So just after england won the rugby world cup they are not the best team in the world on ranking points? go check skysports.com :) . I agree with DoZ, why try and sex it up by calling it 'world rankings' ? when if you take into account all other major tournys around the world the top10 wouldnt be even close aside from SK. I think it is also biased towards American teams, allthough this may not be the CPL's fault really. Obviously the sponsors are the biggest factor, where they are willing to throw there money in etc. Also the other big factor is also down to sponsors and supporting other teams from around the world to attend cpl tournaments in the USA. Its obviously cheaper for American outfits to attend events in their own country. I think if more rules could be introduced it would sort out alot of the problems with the seedings and rankings. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Chris0 13:12 22/11/2003	its like the baseball world series, when its based in america :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MrLink 14:03 22/11/2003	How many US teams can you name that have found sponsors willing to fund them to attend European events? And how many (more) European teams have managed to achieve the same thing as regards events in the US? I really could not say, I've no idea what the situation for clan sponsorship is like in the US. I've not seen it much covered here, and this is the site I visit to keep track. It is a shame that US clans don't come over the for the EU events, it could also be that American clans feel less importance to EU events than to their own, as will possible their sponsors. Where as in Europe there does seem to be a kudos that comes with playing at US events. You yanks No, still we're just as British as the last time I posted. perhaps a 11/9 victims forum Oh dear, and we wonder why they have so little respect for us when thats the best you can do for an insult. It was set there by Munoz, the people's man... the man who cares. I mean come on, he puts the community second only to the sponsors. And you think he'd leave us without health warnings on rankings? No again that was us, as can be seen here there is a number of people get confused by what the ranks are and how they work. It's a called health warning simple because people can get very stressed about it (see above) which just cant be good for your health. Still, fiddle it as they might, they haven't managed to make 3d number one, which makes a nice change. We all know the 0 times winners have always been better than SK Funnily enough one of the only clan we're ever been put under any pressure to "fiddle" was 4k! After they dropped out of the rankings after France 2003, not from the CPL but from visitors to the site I too was gutted when 4k dropped out of the rankings, for more than being a fanboy. But having put a lot of personal time and effort in to getting them to CPL tournaments in the past. But their falling from the rankings is as a result their decision to not attend CPL event, not any decision of ours or the CPL's. One of the key reason why CSports do the rankings is that we are a totally independent company from the CPL. The rankings are calculated by a simple database procedure that is the same for every one of the 502 clans in the system. If it was simply "CPL standings" rather than "world rankings", maybe people would be a little more accepting due to the lack of pompous grandiosity Is it really to much to call a 'ranking' system based on the 'CPL' results from around the 'world' the "CPL World Rankings"? That the CPL is large enough to enable a system like this is testament to the hard work put in by Angel and co. I'm sure as other organisations grow they too will create their own rankings based on their tournaments. Will they also be accused of "pompous grandiosity"? Or is that pleasure solely for the CPL, for reaching this point first? It's not claiming to be anything other than what it is. At no point do we ever push them as being anything more than results from CPL tournaments. If you ignore the CPL at the start of the name, then of cause the rankings are going to be confusing. Take it on the basis of clans that actually make the effort to take part, and it is much clearer. 4K attended at least 3 CPL's CPL Holland, CPL Winter 2001, CPL Summer 2003 4Kings have:- 5th CPL Summer 2003 6th CPL Summer 2002 9-12th CPL WC 2001 9-16th CPL London 2001 9-16th CPL Holland 2001 Only one of which was in the last 12 months. And a couple of qualifiers?:) I remember them fondly. :) But only main events qualify. So just after england won the rugby world cup they are not the best team in the world on ranking points? The best team in the worlds is always the easy one to spot, they beat every one. But can you look at the rest of the list and say with you hand on your heart that they are the correct order of how good those teams are? England only reached the No.1 in the rankings after the France game. Did they only just get that good? or more likely only then get the results they needed to prove they were the best. Which shows nicely that you cant get the rank you deserve without the results to prove it. I think if more rules could be introduced it would sort out alot of the problems with the seedings and rankings. You mean fiddle it ;) We've deliberately left the system as simple as possible, because for most things that is the best way. While 4k was in the rankings they position was reflected fairly accurately in their tournament results. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Necroboy fightclubclan 14:08 22/11/2003	aaaw, it was more fun when we thought you were a yank. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 14:11 22/11/2003	Yes it is asking too much to accept the term cpl world rankings. It's a total misnomer. Is it too much to rename them to recent cpl only rankings, a name that's both informative and accurate? A large name the CPL may be, to have "world" rankings based solely on their tournaments would make one think that they were the definitive competition. These rankings you said were created by yourselves, being independent of the cpl. How is it the cpl that have created them first? Other competitions may follow suit, but they'll have to blow their own trumpet as has been done for the cpl by the naming and small scope of the ranking system [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MrLink 15:31 22/11/2003	Yes it is asking too much to accept the term cpl world rankings. It's a total misnomer. Is it too much to rename them to recent cpl only rankings, a name that's both informative and accurate? I'm sorry, I still don't see you problem. We could of called them the "CPL North-America Ranking" But that would be wrong because it contains European results, ok, so... "CPL North-America and European Rankings" But of a mouth full, but possible. Were you run in to problems was with the former existence of CPL Latin-America. The is would be "CPL North-America, Latin-America and European Rankings" which really is getting stupid. These are rankings of CPL clans, no matter where in the world the come from or where they play. It's a shame that at the moment the CPL world is only America and Europe. I'm believe from TV interview I've seen that the CPL have no intention of keeping it like that. A large name the CPL may be, to have "world" rankings based solely on their tournaments would make one think that they were the definitive competition. I would not say the definitive competition, but it is a definitive competition in that the experience gained and the lessons learnt by the CPL has help define the nature of professional gaming over the last few years, probably more than anyone else. Tournaments arriving now have had a much easier time of it because of the ground work done by the CPL that proved the concept was workable as a business proposition. These rankings you said were created by yourselves, being independent of the cpl. How is it the cpl that have created them first? We have been doing the CPL world rankings for three years now, there we're rankings done by the CPL before this point. But we took over IIRC in time to produce the first Q3 duel rankings. The algorithm used then as now was created by us and approved by the CPL. Other competitions may follow suit, but they'll have to blow their own trumpet as has been done for the cpl by the naming and small scope of the ranking system In business you have your own trumpet, and your either blowing it our your not in business for long. That's business 101. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 15:48 22/11/2003	CPL World Rankings. That makes it sound like a CPL endorsed ranking of all the teams in the world from all the competitions that're out there, which it isn't; which in turn makes it a misnomer. Yes? The fact that it isn't that means it should be called something different, something that makes it apparent that it's a ranking based solely on recent CPL events. The only problem I have is with your name of it as world rankings. I'm not even going to try and figure out how a team that come top 10 get ranked below those that can't break top 25, because that's just magic [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 15:50 22/11/2003	I think we should use UKT tournaments as a Universal Ultimate Team Ranking Guide For The Solar System, because anyone can come apply to play in it. The fact it's dominated by teams from one country is irrelevant, and the fact it's called universal when it refers to a single tournament is just a mute issue [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Chris0 16:02 22/11/2003	MrLink basically everyone is trying to say that the "World" rankings is a pile of s***, and that no one looks at them to see how clans are ranked. Apart from the US teams in the top10, "hey sponsor us a few more burgers, we are WORLD top 10". Also new teams playing under old names should be removed, its a very very slim chance that team would rejoin within a year under the old name. CPL list your own rankings on your own site. That way people will understand it alot more. Do CPL USA Rankings, from Winter/Summer CPLs, and CPL Europe do their own rankings too. Since the fields in both dont change that much. CPL Europe has a better field of teams, but i bet it gets less points for this "WORLD" ranking systems. gl hf please stop the pointless ranking system. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Toomy 17:52 22/11/2003	if the word CPL wasn't there your arguement would be bang on doz, but unfortunatly it is, so all this longwinded text based diarrhoea is pointless. give it up [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 18:00 22/11/2003	Not really Toomy. It's worded to make it sound like CPL endorsed world rankings rather than rankings based solely on cpl events. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Toomy 18:36 22/11/2003	that's just your interpretation of the title and a pedantic interpretation at that. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 19:08 22/11/2003	That's an opinion with no backing [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Toomy 19:22 22/11/2003	the backing is your previous posts, which validate the opinion perfectly. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	polaris church 20:50 22/11/2003	I really must be missing the point they're trying to make with these CPL rankings. Give up pressing F4 and admit they're biased. It's clear they are, but of course the americans aren't going to admit that. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 20:59 22/11/2003	See Toomy, the idea of language is to convey a meaning. Judging by the misinterpretation and general reaction to this whole thing, they've obviously failed to do so. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	akujii0r Infinity-eSports 21:07 22/11/2003	toomy 3 - doz 0 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 21:18 22/11/2003	Yeah, 3-0. I feel so owned by his ability to miss the mood of an entire newspost and comments section. Still, as long as he can sit in bed at night sipping his warm milk and looking happily at his WORLD CPL RANKINGS, Mr Link can also sleep soundly in the knowledge that he has touched the heart of one little boy somewhere in the big unknown [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Scara North & South 21:24 22/11/2003	Fight! fight! fight! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Toomy 22:00 22/11/2003	i don't believe i'm the one missing the point here... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ddd 23:07 22/11/2003	mr_link is out on a mish! hes got comebacks to every negative comment posted against the cpl "world" rankings. qualatae. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 00:06 23/11/2003	Add some more dots and you might convince someone else other than akuji [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Mango 00:27 23/11/2003	toomy 3 - doz 0 You're an idiot. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Toomy 01:00 23/11/2003	yes, good one there. i'm not trying to convince anyone, i don't need other peoples approval to give me confidence in what i say. anyway, you do a good enough job of convincing people you're in the wrong with each condesending post you type. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	`NWA 15:12 23/11/2003	MrLink and Toomy are pretty much right, the "World" in CPL World Rankings doesnt suggest that they take into account every event in the world, just CPL events in the world. Because CPL events only occur in Europeand the USA so far, you may be able to take issue with "World" on that point. :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 16:56 23/11/2003	That's everyone else in this thread told then. No comeback to that faultless logic [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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