
Posted by Dev at 01:13 4/9/2003.
PHL posted Gabe Newells reply to an e-mail sent to him about the 'pay to play rumours'. The e-mail has since been confirmed as legit. Here are the e-mails in full:
Original E-Mail: As I'm sure you are aware the HL2 community is going crazy with the rumour that HL2 is going to be like a MMORPG and you will have to pay a fee each month via Steam to play HL2 multiplayer.
I don't believe this to be true but can you please put it to rest once and for all. PLEEEEEEASE.Gabe Newell: Here's my current thinking: Some people want to buy Half-Life 2 in a store. Right now we have three SKUs planned at three price points. One will have single-player only and not play MODs and we think of that as the mass market SKU (sold mainly at the Costcos and Walmarts of the world). The second is our traditional single-player plus multiplayer SKU that runs MODs and is sold at places like EBX. The third is the collector's edition SKU with lots of cool bonus stuff for people who like cool bonus stuff.
In the Steam world, some people will want to buy it once, like the middle SKU above. Other people will want to buy the game on subscription (e.g. $9.95/month). The good news for the "buy it once" crowd is, well, they only have to pay once. The bad news is that when we come out with new content (expansion products, TF 2, and presumably other games) then they have to pay separately for those. We're pretty sure that the $9.95 guys are going to get the better value, as we've been pretty good over the years at generating a lot of content.
Now nobody has done this before, so we're scratching our heads and massaging the plans to make sure we've got the best set of options. We've had some feedback that we should sell the top SKU (single-player only no MODs) on Steam, and my reaction has been "yeah, right, for the three people in the world who have a broadband connection, are sophisticated enough to purchase software over the Internet, but DON'T want to play MODs and multiplayer". Some people have said "I want a subscription, but I think the box and the manual are cool, so what about sending me those" and I think that's pretty interesting and we're trying to figure out what to do for them (needless to say Sierra isn't exactly jumping for joy at the idea of selling us boxes so people don't buy Half-Life 2 in stores).
But nowhere has there been a suggestion that people pay in the store and then pay a monthly fee on top of that a la the MMORPG.
There was then a follow up reply in a forum thread from Gabe which reads like this:
The various SKUs will be available at the other stores. It's just how we think of them (we think of the lowest price one as the "Walmart" SKU even though Walmart will probably be the biggest single seller of all three SKUs given their volume).TF2 isn't a MOD, correct. However the subscription will be for anything we make. So when TF2 ships, the subscribers get it as part of their subscription.
We've been talking with retailers about the retail SKUs for a long time. Steam pricing was what I was trying to explain. Steam options seemed to require an explanation of the retail SKUs.
For those that don't work in retail or don't know what a SKU is, SKU stands for Stock Keeping Unit and is a number associated with a product for inventory purposes. Each product must have a SKU, and each SKU must be unique.
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Kirby-eSports
01:25 4/9/2003
if i wanna play HL and all the mods, how much? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
theb0g
01:26 4/9/2003
edit: With the 2nd SKU you get HL2 and it's MODS but you don't get updated content and will have to pay as and when you want that content. They are basically 'forcing' people into subscribing monthly to get a similar package as to what we have now with HL1.
SKU 2 is probably the one i'll go for and just pay for tf2 and other 'big' updates when I cba and have cash. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Choke
01:28 4/9/2003
Kirby-eSports
01:28 4/9/2003
and its w1cked with a 1! and I only use the stupid ^ cus w1cked is frozen :( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
theb0g
01:29 4/9/2003
theb0g
01:30 4/9/2003
Last Chance
01:31 4/9/2003
Croydon
01:32 4/9/2003
You can either buy:
1. SP only,
2. MP + SP (Normal),
3. SP + MP + Bonus s***,
The mid range SKU is basically same as what every1 buys atm, as id expect any subsequently released patches would be free and not part of bonus package. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
theb0g
01:34 4/9/2003
theb0g
01:34 4/9/2003
Croydon
01:37 4/9/2003
Kirby-eSports
01:38 4/9/2003
Kirby-eSports
01:38 4/9/2003
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Choke
01:46 4/9/2003
The Next Generation
01:47 4/9/2003
eSports.Edge
01:47 4/9/2003
eSports.Edge
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02:03 4/9/2003
i hope i enterprated that wrong [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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eSports.Edge
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The Bomb Squad
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North & South
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North & South
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Team56
03:03 4/9/2003
fightclubclan
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07:01 4/9/2003
this will screw the cs market up a bit [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
WanadooWolfie
07:16 4/9/2003
Or would it be a posted cheque? apart from that, i understand, but I doubt it will do anyone any favours. He said that no one had tried it before, and thats probably because its a silly idea:) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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Team56
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Team56
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Team56
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Team56
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lol [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Prozac
09:30 4/9/2003
urr i'm pretty sure you need to subscribe to get any updated content. that's for official valve content. MODS and the like from other developers you can get for free and download like normal without s***ty STEAM clogging your systems little pipes with its veiny f***ing claws of mass market money and bandwidth grabbing crud.
or something. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
10:00 4/9/2003
ctx
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theb0g
10:16 4/9/2003
but offical mods such as cs, dod and tf will have to be paid for [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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-or-
you buy everything seperatly as it comes out
simple as (i think)
dont sound like a bad idea [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
10:23 4/9/2003
Sniper's Alley
10:25 4/9/2003
This all sounds very costly,
SKU1 single player only, lets face it whos gonna buy this.
SKU2 gonna cost more but will support mods, some of which are free but things like TF2 and CS are gonna cost us.
Then the subscripion. Who in their right mind is gonna fork out $120/year.
Damn capitalists.
Give it to us for free and we'll love u forever and send u cookies. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Rush!
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$120 per annum! Thats poor! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Rush!
10:32 4/9/2003
theb0g
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if your paying $50 a pop for a computergame in america perhaps the subscription isnt such a bad idea
im sure they have something up their sleve to make the subscription worth having. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
10:39 4/9/2003
eSports.Edge
10:41 4/9/2003
Choke
10:46 4/9/2003
most of those kind of mods were free anyway, as they were developed by 3rd parties. It will be the same in HL2. The only thing you'll be paying $9.99 a month for is for the ones you mentioned above and the single player games like Blue Shift, Gunman Chronicles and Opposing Forces. Of course though there will be newer brighter concepts by then made by 3rd parties, which will be completely free, like CS was when it was first conceived. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
10:46 4/9/2003
Lite
10:49 4/9/2003
SWG owns Jedi :) (rak'halam on eclipse)
Valve have gone eating that money pie.
Halo is the future!
/me out [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
10:49 4/9/2003
<3 paying for games. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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Sniper's Alley
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Well if you'd just read the newspost properly... ;P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Sniper's Alley
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Rush!
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Sniper's Alley
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Team56
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