A-Losers - The Conspiracy

Posted by Ripper at 18:19 28/7/2003.

Recent winners of the CPL qualifiers in Spain, A-Losers, have been caught up in an interesting scandal recently after reports suggest they successfully bribed Adrenalin to forfeit a WCG qualifying match. Over at xtragaming a translation was offered giving A-Losers' statement, here it is:

With our journey to the CPL qualifier in Bilbao it was clear to us from the start that we would have schedule difficulties with the German WCG qualification. Already registered for Bilbao we had inquired with the WCG whether we would be able to move our WCG matches - rejected quite rightfully by the WCG as they could not make an exception for one team.

After the travel plan to Dallas had changed at short notice it was clear that we could not play against adrenalin as planned. This compelled us to look for other options. It is true that we asked adrenalin for a default win and that there were offers from our side, in order to convince adrenalin. These started as common training sessions, tactics exchange etc.. it's also true that that adrenalin finally came up with the idea of [unsure of the wording here a bit] financial recompensation of 200 to which our team agreed.

It must be noted that no money exchanged hands and will not do. Naturally discussion was only for a default win, this was a clear rule offence and a large mistake. Especially as money was suggested we went way too far over the line. We would like to apologise to the entire scene and above all to the WCG for our clear failure. It was the actions of a single cs team and orgas without involvement of the remaining clan management."

Sad sad Germans. Read the full statement in German here. Shout out to m0rph for the heads up.

Comments

Shaw
18:21 28/7/2003
dont often see the ukt posters do a double post (they did honest just coz they deleted it they still did) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Loxam
Lite
18:25 28/7/2003
What Losers. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
NoToRiOuS
2 COOL 4 SKOOL
UKTerrorist
18:26 28/7/2003
HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

dont give me that caps crap we should be above the law, damnit [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
NoToRiOuS
2 COOL 4 SKOOL
UKTerrorist
18:26 28/7/2003
A-Losers R 2 Cool 4 Skool [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
PHB
18:30 28/7/2003
and so it begins [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Benji-
18:31 28/7/2003
I remember when 4k did that with cs marines. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
hihi
zebras
18:32 28/7/2003
thats a classic :):) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
m0rph
Infinity-eSports
18:34 28/7/2003
should of thought of that before. Maybe would of advanced to the top 16 of euskal :( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
[ONE]-BL
18:40 28/7/2003
/me wipes a tear away [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Pyroux
2seXeh 2perfoRm
18:41 28/7/2003
i fkin hate german they steal ya sun beds they cheat at every fkin sport even b****** computer games... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
omg ! Sarge
Shoot First Ask Later
18:41 28/7/2003
** news just in

a-L.MSI recruit Bruce Grobbelar as PR manager!

fixxxxxxxxxxxxxxx :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
omg ! Sarge
Shoot First Ask Later
18:42 28/7/2003
4K did it to CSC7 back in the day too, cause theyd ben put in same group or something so they tried to pay them off with £70 each to forfit the game :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
kuki
18:44 28/7/2003
Scandal!!! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
punisher`
18:47 28/7/2003
their name just about sums them up [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Smittins
18:48 28/7/2003
lmao [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
amarc
18:48 28/7/2003
burn em at the stake [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
punisher`
18:49 28/7/2003
how long till we see sk paying everyteam of and match fixing then? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Messiah
Game2XS.Monkey Magic
18:54 28/7/2003
whoopdeedooooo [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Drenz
18:56 28/7/2003
lol [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
sKiN
19:00 28/7/2003
Where was John Fashanu in all this? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ven0m
Sniper's Alley
19:04 28/7/2003
if i remember correctly, 4k asked to swap semifinals as they were drawn v marine (fix btw, 4k seeded 1 marine 2..suddenly no seeds in semis) in the semis at lanarena and wanted a 4k marine final....it was csc7 who came up with the idea of us paying money to swap with them, we just asked them nicely - never asked for a forfeit.
hardly the same thing as csc7 would still have played but lost to marine in the semi instead of the final [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Centrox
19:05 28/7/2003
cheating germans! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
St_George
g30rg3h
UKTerrorist
19:08 28/7/2003
my god xtragaming doing something that doesnt involve site "hacking" ! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
HeNdie
Void
19:08 28/7/2003
Germans pffffff.. same old [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
fez
19:09 28/7/2003
i wondered what all that crap about jon fashanu match fixing was all about :o [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
mh
19:20 28/7/2003
well you can hardly blame them seeing as they are best teamin germany atm and prolly deserve to go to wcg. wcg's fault for putting qualifer at stupid time. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
frantiC``
Shoot First Ask Later
19:26 28/7/2003
Pld to a-loosers tbh u gotta respect em for that, i think a few more scandles in cs would be good. keeps it fresh and lively - JUST WHAT IT NEEDS!!! just sigh at them being german ;/ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
omg ! Sarge
Shoot First Ask Later
19:30 28/7/2003
why is it WCG's fault?

last time i looked they were pretty much in competition with The CPL, so of course their going to put their qualifiers and stuff in direct competition with the CPL's

its up to each team which one they wanna go to..... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
frantiC``
Shoot First Ask Later
19:33 28/7/2003
agreed ooohhhh emmmm geeeeee Sarge, the bigger the stage the better, not some gay little league. i hope they did do it and deny it much like Alec Stewart did to that pakistan book maker. have much more respect for him now. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
akujii0r
Infinity-eSports
19:42 28/7/2003
dont see what the big deal is [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DK
Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate
19:44 28/7/2003
Shout out to m0rph for the heads up.

pair of f***ing gays!! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Pyroux
2seXeh 2perfoRm
19:54 28/7/2003
haha dk [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
HeNdie
Void
20:13 28/7/2003
DK at work with nothing better to do :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Sy
2seXeh 2perfoRm
20:27 28/7/2003
the thing is.. this is pro and i love it PRO PRO PRO i love it lalalelale pRO PrO Pro [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
frantiC``
Shoot First Ask Later
20:46 28/7/2003
the thing is.... I LOVE U SY!!! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
KaN
North & South
21:22 28/7/2003
WTF Venom

thats f***ing bulls***. Jonny came over to me and asked if i was willing to do the dirty deed for 70 pound. I looked back at the csc7 lot citting at a table and laughed. I told him no thx. I then spoke to Vic and Domigod about it. They wernt to pleased.

Get it right plz [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
KaN
North & South
21:31 28/7/2003
And if i can rightly remember, you wernt there Venom?

Even though what u just said is a load of s***e. And i guess we didnt beat 4k on nuke either in a lan arena semi final? Kinda laughed at that one, another semi final but no talk of money exchanging hands.

Jonny actually apoligized somewhere, im not sure what site, maybe UKT who knows? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
SuperNick
21:42 28/7/2003
hmm what's the big deal about offering a bribe not to play..

A bribe should only be considered a bad thing if it's to delay or stop a bad thing.. otherwise, as he says, compensation..

I suppose it's a bit unorthadox, but hey it's cs right?

the flames are on me yo! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
KaN
North & South
21:44 28/7/2003
unorthadox ?

whats that mean ? :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
SuperNick
21:45 28/7/2003
typo, change a for o [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ded
21:49 28/7/2003
K I'm not really in CS scene anymore and I've only signed up to comment after I was told about Venoms post...

Ask any of CSC7 and you will get the same answer, we was offered £70 each if we would let 4K play CS-Marines. We refused and spoke to the organisers who told us they couldn't do anything (in terms of disqualification) but were disgusted to hear of it.

Do you REALLY think CSC7 would pay £350 to s4K over a game? We had always wanted to get as far as possible, even though we never believed in ourselves... we was always pleased to get in the top 3. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
KaN
North & South
21:51 28/7/2003
get back to daoc mmorpg scum [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ded
21:54 28/7/2003
^^

/me runs back to DAoC

now I know why I left CS, just does my head in :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
m!lky
fluid element
21:55 28/7/2003
A-Losers was tryin the old hussle move, fairplay [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
TaMilL-TiGeR
UFO
21:57 28/7/2003
shame on u 4k [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Anisty-
Prozac
22:23 28/7/2003
UKTerrorist have posted on our post at their own initiative using our translation of the A-Losers statement.

We would like to point out that we are not affiliated with UKT in any way nor with the comments of their user base and upon requests to remove the content they refused to do so.

We do not wish to be associated with UKTerrorist because of their repeated attacks on the security of our website and the honesty, morals and abilities of our staff. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
w1cked^
Kirby-eSports
22:25 28/7/2003
stfu you c**k [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Chicko^
Point Five-O
22:27 28/7/2003
Why the generalization at the end with "sad sad germans".
The actions a-Losers did weren´t alright but u cant say that about all german people. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ara
22:38 28/7/2003
you can.. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
`NWA
22:40 28/7/2003
Not as if you dont rip 90% of you're news off other cs sites, its how the word spreads! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Demo
conneXion
22:41 28/7/2003
this is amazing, but why would anyone care? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
nicklearse
Missing In Action
22:41 28/7/2003
i reckon DK is german [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Demo
conneXion
22:43 28/7/2003
hur hur [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
MadSpunk
Last Chance
22:46 28/7/2003
disgraceful! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
St_George
g30rg3h
UKTerrorist
22:48 28/7/2003
shame on you ukt, wp with the c+p

yeh not like we didnt link you in the newsitem and give your site some needed hits or anything...

Praise more than criticise! LIVE THE TESCO VALUES. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Raider
theb0g
22:55 28/7/2003
Anisty, you need to get out more [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Anisty-
Prozac
22:57 28/7/2003
before you decided to c+p we had already over 300 hits on that item. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Fox
ClanNEW
22:58 28/7/2003
lol anisty its better than the blatant rewriting of 90 percent of UKT posts that goes on over at xtragaming.

We do not wish to be associated with UKTerrorist because of their repeated attacks on the security of our website and the honesty, morals and abilities of our staff.

repeated attacks on your website? I thought that was the other way round [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Atemi
ForsakeN
23:09 28/7/2003
yeah apparently loads of rival websites, including UKT, have been trying to see xtragamings NEW!!! version of their website because its going to be sooo good he says and that their rivals are soo worried bout it that they r trying to get hold of it or summit stupid.

you know, the usual bulls*** that comes out of the tramp aka Anisty [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Domje
23:22 28/7/2003
Why are they sad Ripper?
Bruce Grobelar isn't sad and he was involved in bribery. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Greendude
23:31 28/7/2003
What's the big deal? They woulda won anyway...it was just a schedule rearrangement with a few perks for the other clan. They didn't try to buy their way to success. Just bought the opportunity to compete really. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ven0m
Sniper's Alley
23:44 28/7/2003
as a matter of fact, 4K squad was genius, purple, danfrag, liquid, and me

as for dom being disgusted, he was fine about it when jonny asked if was ok to swap, aslong as csc7 were ok with it, so was he. it was only when other people commented on it that he changed his mind.
if i recall correctly £70 was mentioned cos of the speakers(?) you got for second place? it was a way of recompense for the prize you would have got if we had beaten you and you hadnt got to the final

and you werent offered anything for 4k to play marines, you were offered it for 4k to play csc7 so it would be a 4k marine final as it should have been following the tournament layout (as the only time names were drawn were when it looked like it was gonna be another 4k/marine player dominated event as per the previous lanarena (later admitted by dom when i complained that they tourney layout was changed)

anyway...csc7 went on to show just what a great lan cs clan they were at that and other events....oh wait... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ven0m
Sniper's Alley
23:53 28/7/2003
sorry, squad was genius liquid purple nemo and me [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
SuperNick
00:02 29/7/2003
yeah, coming 3rd at a top event really is doing pretty bad.

i also seem to remember crushing 4K 13-3 on their best map, in which they left saying we were using dodgy configs. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
KaN
North & South
00:06 29/7/2003
oh grow up venom ffs
end of the day 4k offered us money. Jonny then apoligzed a few days later in a cs post. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
KaN
North & South
00:15 29/7/2003
Venom

anyway...csc7 went on to show just what a great lan cs clan they were at that and other events....oh wait...

Venom, drop the 12 year old boy attitude. Gets you no where. I know the truth about that day, and you hate it.

Oh yeh, i was offered money b4 the semis? So how was i offered money for speakers i hadnt won yet? I see your trying to confuse the matter. Not doing a very good job either. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Redfive^
00:18 29/7/2003
Venom, you just hate it that CSC7 beat you guys 13/3 and probably thought no one from CSC7 would see you say it was them who offered 4K money, unlucky, you know what happened, so shut up.

Stick to making meals for a fiver on ready steady cook eh? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ven0m
Sniper's Alley
00:34 29/7/2003
ok ill type a little slower so u can understand

2nd place got speakers if i remember rightly
jonny offered the money equivalent of second place as u were pretty much guaranteed to get thru your semi and would get second place - therefore as an incentive to play us, you would get second place prize for coming 3rd aswell as third place prize
anyway, blame jonny for that, i didnt think we'd lose to marine

as for beating 4k at a lanarena semi, cant remember that one as i wasnt there

redfive - as opposed to making a fiver a day asking "would you like fries with that?" like u? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Redfive^
00:38 29/7/2003
Well no not as opposed to, as that doesnt make sense really, but as I now have 3 stars on my badge, I make a lot more than a fiver a day, let me tell you. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ven0m
Sniper's Alley
00:40 29/7/2003
im sure your care in the community life skills coach is very proud :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Messiah
Game2XS.Monkey Magic
01:10 29/7/2003
Its true, Im extremely proud [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
megafurax
10:31 29/7/2003
Eh ... CS & other games are now "E-Sports", expect some fixed games in near future :)

/me thinks cs looks more and more like Football =)

/joen [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Smittins
10:54 29/7/2003
i reckon its more like cricket.....full of cheating, some of the players are corrupt, it can be pretty boring to watch at times, and all the players are bitter and p***ed at not being a footballer ;) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Critik
13:28 29/7/2003
shame on a-losers indeed, hardly enough to provoke some comments above stating that 'all germans cheat' or 'man i hate those germans'. Isn't there any rules against racism on UKT or isn't 'sad sad germans' considered to be racist?

just a thought..... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Smittins
16:00 29/7/2003
spare the hysterics, German people are not a race, it's xenophobic at best, not that I'm condoning it [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Critik
16:31 29/7/2003
Don't worry, im not in the slightest hysterical. Im sitting at work with shag all to do, getting paid to browse forums... im happy enough. :) I just think that UKT's reputation is too good to be posting mindless dribble like "sad sad germans" to inevitably provoke even more bullsh*t like "i fkin hate german....they cheat at every fkin sport even b****** computer games..." and "pfft, cheating germans, same old...." Spare the bitterness/racism... the war was a long time ago, and a lot of ppl seem to have trouble letting go..... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Smittins
16:35 29/7/2003
Ripper the vet :D

and if you want bitterness from the otherside of the fence you should of seen the posts on mymtw.de when 4k beat mouz a-laget and a-losers :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Critik
16:38 29/7/2003
:/ ........ glad i didn't. Anyway, didn't mean to start a flame war, but that sort of biggotry sickens me, and obviously chicko picked up on it further up too. ppl in perma's role should think a bit more b4 posting. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Critik
16:39 29/7/2003
oops, me's a bit new to ukt forums... :/ perma = ripper......... its been a long, long day :( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
KhAoS
meatyballs
15:07 4/8/2003
what do you mean CSC7 proving themselves at other lans ven0m?

if i recall 4K's biggest lan defeat was at the hands of CSC7 13-3?

get back to ready steady cook. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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