GeForce FX - 22nd Jan

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	decrepit Croydon 23:12 9/1/2003	cba to wait, gonna buy a gf4 tomorrow [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	The-G 23:12 9/1/2003	sick [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	NoToRiOuS 2 COOL 4 SKOOL UKTerrorist 23:13 9/1/2003	After going AWOL for nearly 2 months I am back posting. Can't get rid of me that easily ;0 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	emfive 23:20 9/1/2003	ouch, 256mb ram on a consumer gcard [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 23:23 9/1/2003	ouch, the price, they must be f***ing joking [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	emfive 23:27 9/1/2003	nn! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	G^D 23:31 9/1/2003	With that card and the amount i drink there goes my student loan :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	LordOfBlood 23:34 9/1/2003	Only sad sad ppl would buy that card now. Its for high end appliccations and sad geeks who sit about all day bosting about how theyve defragged their hd 93254973257325 times in the last nano second cos of their super fast pcs.... normal ppl will just realise that the amount of power on that card is unnecessary even for "Pro gamers"... LoB [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 23:35 9/1/2003	is it me or are gfx cards getting way ahead of the game designers abilities? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Geordie Last Chance 23:39 9/1/2003	stop talking crap myers! doom3 anyone [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	-m0o.Rob- 23:40 9/1/2003	or you're talking bulls*** "LoB" and some people find the idea of playing graphically intensive games on full detail at a good fps quite nice. but fairplay nobody should really buy a graphics card the moment it comes out, the same as only fools with more money than sense buy the latest cpu at a rediculous price rather than the penultimate at a fraction of the cost. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	decrepit Croydon 23:40 9/1/2003	the gfx of games that are nearing completion are gonna be like almost 2 yrs old cos they been in development for so long. Theres prob a game beginning development now that will need gf fx power [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Geordie Last Chance 23:42 9/1/2003	from what ive seen doom3 is gonna need a very good pc to run well [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	-m0o.Rob- 23:44 9/1/2003	difference between running, and running well, take battlefield 1942 recommended cpu of 500mhz "A 3d accelerator" you try running it with decent res/detail on that [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	VespR 23:58 9/1/2003	Give it a month decrepit, GF4 prices will drop a lot by then. You're not being too wise buying a GF4 now when their latest product is only 3 weeks away... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shotti theb0g 00:04 10/1/2003	welll the fx's full capabilities will not be used for sometime to come i think, as doom3 will not use any dx9 features? (i think) nor i think will any game coming out this year (probably 1-2 games i dunno) personally i think the fx being released now is just to show ATi, that nvidia is the best gpu processor there is [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	-m0o.Rob- 00:11 10/1/2003	yeah thats sortof it, but its not the poncy graphical features that it can do people will want its just the raw fps power that it has at the moment, and added future support for the effects used in upcoming games. i suppose having the title of "most powerful graphics card" is more important than you might at first think, since "hardcore" gamers know which graphics card is worth its money, the "average joe" gamer (as eagle so horrifically put it) wanting the most powerful pc will be eaten up. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	-m0o.Rob- 00:11 10/1/2003	and powerfreaks who really do want the fastest 3dmark score to show how large their penis is ;x [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dravicus 00:20 10/1/2003	well i was gonna get one of these but my budget tops out at around the £300 mark :P ive seen guides how to make radeon 9500 into a radeon 9700 pro sooo i might look into that a bit more, the 9500 is around £130 :\| [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shotti theb0g 00:21 10/1/2003	i saw that, something about rivatuner making drivers for the card that just lets it run at 9700 speeds :/ i wouldnt go the other way and using a soldering iron tho :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 00:34 10/1/2003	i've never really been that fussed about tweaks [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blitz Editor UKTerrorist 00:34 10/1/2003	"Only sad sad ppl would buy that card now. Its for high end appliccations and sad geeks who sit about all day bosting about how theyve defragged their hd 93254973257325 times in the last nano second cos of their super fast pcs.... normal ppl will just realise that the amount of power on that card is unnecessary even for "Pro gamers"..." Or simply those who want to be able to run DoomIII at high settings when it arrives. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shotti theb0g 00:35 10/1/2003	from what i read the 9700 should be able to run doom3 at prefectly reasonable speeds [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Negotiator Clan ONE 00:53 10/1/2003	p4 gf4ti6400 and i cant get 100fps why?!!?!? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	VespR 01:34 10/1/2003	Probably because your graphics card model doesn't exist :) Aside from the poor joke, I say this type of thing time and time again when people moan about what headphones should I get when they've got a poor soundcard. I take it your monitor is in fairly good condition and isn't too dated? Simple things like, "do you have the latest drivers" probably don't need mentioning but other drivers such as via 4in1 etc do also help improve fps. Try running 3d mark 2001 SE and post back with your score, if you've recently installed dx9 then, no offence intended, your a fool because that card doesn't support it. In fact no one should install dx9 unless their card supports it because it will only lower your cards performance and cannot be uninstalled unless you format. I made that mistake and lost 3000 pts on 3dmark when I installed it. I've got a GF4Ti4200 OTES and I get bout 12000 pts on 3d mark and 99fps constant with vsync on in 800x600. If your monitor is poor and you are running vsync on then that's the answer there. Install Riva Tuner from guru3d.com and check your clock speeds also. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	bigZ 01:38 10/1/2003	the Radeon 9700 (which is considerably better than the GF4 series atm) runs Doom3 at about 10fps @ 640x480... so if you wanna play doom3 at any remotely decent resolution, get the FX... however, even the FX isn't sposed to be able to cope with the full details of Doom3... like 1600x1200 32 bit, FSAA, etc, etc its considerably faster than anything on the market at the moment, therefore, I would say its as much of a necessary purchase as the GF3 was back when that came out 2 years ago. Its ground breaking technology, and yes, I still run an original GF3, which is almost 2 years old now... it copes with everything I throw at it, so, expect the GF FX to last you a couple of years if you aren't so obsessed with having the latest products, just to waste your money, when there is so little performance gain... :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	bigZ 01:41 10/1/2003	the GF4 partially supports DX9, the radeon 9700 supports it more, but still not fully, FX is full support for DX9, even though there won't be any games out to support DX9 for at least a year [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	VespR 01:43 10/1/2003	lol the radeon 9700(pro) will run doom3 at more than 10fps I can assure you. If you're basing this on the "leaked alpha" demo then this doesn't count at all. And even then when that demo was shown at E3 they used the latest graphics card which I think was a 9700 and I doubt they'd preview their own game at 10fps. Get yer facts right mate. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	St_George g30rg3h UKTerrorist 01:46 10/1/2003	bigz - remember the leaked version of doom3 was optimised for the machines they had to test it with. Not for the home user. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	St_George g30rg3h UKTerrorist 01:48 10/1/2003	ok evol already said that :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dr_Evil`` 01:58 10/1/2003	imo Nvidia are pricing themselves out of the market with hardware like this. Yeah a few geeks will buy it but will joe public or ever the ppl that post on here? performance / cost ATi is owning nvidia atm and thats a good thing because competiton brings prices down (Xbox anyone?). Maybe get one in 12 months when games support the features in DX9. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	The Oracle Lord of t3h b0ys UKTerrorist 02:16 10/1/2003	p4 gf4ti6400 and i cant get 100fps why?!!?!? Turn V-sync off. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	VespR 02:25 10/1/2003	Evil your forgetting the burst of sales GF4 will get when this gets released. Most people realise they won't need this kind of technology yet and with the release of this product their exisint range will drop giving them a burst of sales figures for the GF4. They'll still be making a mint either way. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	tiSSue 08:23 10/1/2003	the thing is... nvidia choose wot benchmarks it takes so they just choose the ones that will whooop competition [ati 9700 pro] so its proly about 4% better ;P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ghost ctx 08:24 10/1/2003	Is every modern motherboard Via or what? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	M8rix Head CS Server Admin UKTerrorist 09:05 10/1/2003	Nah Sis are good mobo chips, they can compete with Via imo. I'll look forward to buying 1 of these gfx cards in 3 years time when there's a game out that actually needs its power to run. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Havors 09:06 10/1/2003	theres games out now that already support these high end graphics, asherons call 2 has a third disc that you dont even use unless uve got a ub3r system. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Demo conneXion 09:37 10/1/2003	i just fookin got a radeon 9700 pro and they going to bring this thing out :\| [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dravicus 10:17 10/1/2003	nforce2 is the best motherboard chipset out atm :) agree with whoever said about the gf4 sales going up, thats probably why they just updated a lot of those models with agp 8x capabilities. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Hitt0r 10:36 10/1/2003	mmmm radeon beats it in 3dmark game 4 :o wonder why? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	er.. 10:37 10/1/2003	the radeon 9700 FULLY supports DX9, and the GF4 does not support DX9 specific features AT ALL. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Havors 11:06 10/1/2003	I wont be buying one until the price drops and there is new mobos and DDR2 out so it wont bottle neck. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 11:08 10/1/2003	f*** knows where you've got that price from, UK hardware shops have FX's at a projection price of £329 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Headshot^Man` Disturbed 11:08 10/1/2003	I'll stick to using my s*** gf2 ty [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 11:09 10/1/2003	"Is every modern motherboard Via or what?" Most P4 mobos are Intel. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 11:15 10/1/2003	Just looking, and if you could even have been bothered to use google you'll find that the RRPs for the cards is $399 for the regular and $499 for the pro - and when FX was confirmed nVidia themselves said it would start off at a $360 price point. Don't forget that RRPs mean s*** all, and hardware stores sell them considerably under that price (Radeon 9700 Pro RRP is still supposedly £350, yet they are all around £280 if you cba looking) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 11:15 10/1/2003	And if anyone is too lazy, $499 is £310. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	kewl 11:19 10/1/2003	kewl [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	woot 11:29 10/1/2003	[quote] i just fookin got a radeon 9700 pro and they going to bring this thing out [/quote] haha owned, but your used to it by now [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Slider` eSports.Edge 11:50 10/1/2003	Spotted Evol [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shotti theb0g 11:55 10/1/2003	i think youll find that the radeon 9700 running doom3 at 10fps is on the alpha version, which is serverly unoptimised as the doom3 code uses geforce 2 routines, which the radeon should be able to handle without too much trouble. id expect doom3 to run around 45-60fps with a amd xp2400 and radeon 9700 in 1024x768 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Lurks 12:09 10/1/2003	The only thing to do is wait and buy a GF4Ti4600 cos will come down in price so serverelly, then in 2-3 years buy a GF6 or 7 (depending on what model they get to by then). Then again, if i had the money i would probs buy a FX card. But i dont so i wont [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	m0rph Infinity-eSports 12:12 10/1/2003	gl with that expectation :) I heard the radeon9700 chugs with doom 3 giving out a scorching 60fps in lower res' I suppose thats the alpha playtest, maybe the final version wont be as fps consuming! Don't get your hopes up tho, I expect you'll need a XP2600, GF4ti4600 or radeon9700 at least to get anywhere near playable rates with any of the cooler features turned on [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	t0m 12:14 10/1/2003	ill stick with my uber 40fps that money could be spent on starving africans or beer :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dr_Evil`` 12:46 10/1/2003	Point taken Evol, sales of lower end cards will go up but I still think that the price of this new card is out of reach of the vast majority of computer games players. Comparing framerates on Doom 3 Alpha is a complete waste of time. The code is unoptomised and in an early form whilst the graphics are in their high poly state. If it doesnt run on the new ATi cards at more than 10 fps who is going to actually buy it? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	bigZ 12:46 10/1/2003	bigz - remember the leaked version of doom3 was optimised for the machines they had to test it with. Not for the home user. Yeah, but you're still not going to be able to run it at any amazing resolution, with any decent amount of FPS.... :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 12:52 10/1/2003	The alpha leak which was the same as E3 demo actually had broken sound code, which completely f**ed the game's FPS (John Carmack said so, as everyone was moaning* about an alpha version ffs). Alpha versions aren't optimised in any way, and are really quite rough versions. It will run quite speedily when it's released, and all this hardware will be cheaper when it's released too. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blackbelt 13:24 10/1/2003	Kill the f***ers :S [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Gryff 13:44 10/1/2003	Why bother buying gfx cards when you can just nick em from sponsored gaming events.... eh Lithium? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	NoToRiOuS 2 COOL 4 SKOOL UKTerrorist 13:54 10/1/2003	s*** deleted my own comment :/ w00p w00p did say something like euro -> usd coversation being right then my price would be right. but u never know with these yanks do ya eh? oracle :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 14:05 10/1/2003	NoToRiOuS Newsie UKTerrorist 13:49, 10/1/2003 well nick^ that price is listed in a french site if u clicked on the links and 700 USD /1.5 is around 466 unless they got the euro --> USD conversion wrong im assuming im right. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	naaaz 14:12 10/1/2003	actually ive already seen UK internet shops selling the card in advance for around £320. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 14:15 10/1/2003	did say something like euro -> usd coversation being right then my price would be right. but u never know with these yanks do ya eh? oracle :P its gonna be far more than a direct conversion from $ to £, we live in the uk so as usual they will probably take the p*** and slap an extra 20% or so on top of the US price, for no justifiable reason [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ryano theb0g 15:31 10/1/2003	Counterstrike requires more of your cpu than it does of the graphics card. Im having to buy a new system because recently cs has become pretty much unplayable on my 1ghz t-bird. Basically although VAC is a good thing its the reason fps in cs has died, the more they add the worse your fps gets. I remember the days when my pc got 100 fps with a gf 2 mx. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Headshot^Man` Disturbed 16:04 10/1/2003	i've noticed that my gf2 and 900mhz pc used to run at average of about 90-100 always flickering to the lower and now it comes out about 75ish [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smiffeh Game2XS.Monkey Magic 16:07 10/1/2003	wtf i get like 60 when there is fighting and thats on gf4mx + 1.2t-bird [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Eagle 16:08 10/1/2003	If i do get a new comp i'd wait to get this so i won't have to buy a new comp for ages...which would be good :o [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 16:22 10/1/2003	smiffeh why all the small text? :o [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	M8rix Head CS Server Admin UKTerrorist 16:24 10/1/2003	You will only make proper use of a modern gfx card if you have a powerful cpu. Pointless having the lastest gfx card with a 1ghz cpu, cuz you wont be much better off than you would be if you were running a gf2. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	AnNuM 17:08 10/1/2003	I can get myself one now I have my compensation!!! Wonder what I should do with my GF4 Ti4600 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 17:29 10/1/2003	Wing it here, Mike. BTW, graphics cards always, always come out at £350 RRP over here. Always. Radeons, Geforces, Matroxes... always have. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 17:33 10/1/2003	amd 2000xp, that should do the trick [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Otis Rush! 18:21 10/1/2003	yeah i have noticed that deean.I have Tbird 700. I used to get about 70-80 fps now only about 50-60 and down to 20-30 in fights. Gonna have to upgrade. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Montaver theb0g 18:34 10/1/2003	People who claim Doom3 is going too need some monster PC too run it at a decent FPS are scaremongering. Do you honestly think they would cut out 90% of their market share by making it that graphically intensive? I think not. Most people run no where near some of the specs people have been quoting. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shotti theb0g 18:43 10/1/2003	agreeedddd ice-montaver [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ND` 19:00 10/1/2003	mmm free [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ExistenZ 00:58 11/1/2003	i told u that ryan nice to get a mention. and ryan is right ever wondered why u got massive fps drops when u c someone? its cos vac tries to run lots of cpu intensive tasks to c if your hacking that model somehow. draining your gf3 or 4 of cpu power and giving u s***e fps. long live anti cheat.... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ND` 01:11 11/1/2003	or anti-config mat.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ND` 02:53 11/1/2003	JOKE [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Havors 02:56 11/1/2003	doom 3 will have a seperate disc for high end machines and gfx cards like asherons call and such. that way they get all the market. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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