UKTerrorist
Posted by Ripper at 10:18 27/11/2002.
CSGN - a new league and cup combo has been announced. Planning to start in January, they aim to bring professional gaming a step closer to the UK. Hers's the official statement:CSGN started with a vision: To bring professional gaming a step higher in the UK. We plan to achieve this on many different levels, plus developing the network as we go. Primarily, we’ll be hosting a league, based on clan skill and different game scenarios, thus enabling clans that don’t base there whole being on the CPL maps will be able to have a chance to get there skill shown.Sounds good, check out the entire statement here.The leagues will all have Professional, Amateur and Beginner skill levels. Initially the league will be free of charge, however the cups will not be. This is to avoid time wasters entering and disrupting the proceedings. We aim to have around 4 cups a year, for each season. The network is a non-profit organisation, so all entrance fees are put 100% towards prize money and prizes.
eSport-Pro supported teams, as stated:
· erm:cs
· omg!
· Last Chance
· clan Kaizen
· ui
· Trippy
· Fight club clan
· Twisted Reality
· Weakest Links
· [bsq] bomb squadThese teams will get free entry into the relevant cup. Cup sign up fee is yet to be announced. This along with more information about the first season of CSGN will be released in the near future.
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10:28 27/11/2002
What about EGL, XGC, CSVS? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
10:36 27/11/2002
10:45 27/11/2002
11:17 27/11/2002
Keep checking the site for updates on the status of it.
We will be opening for signups in the near future so get ready
11:23 27/11/2002
Nice.
Before anyone bothers this isn't written from a Disturbed POV.
Doing this sort of thing, "oh these clans are friends so get in", doesn't that sort of defeat the object of selecting clans based on skill and whatnot? Wouldn't it be fairer to have clans who've done more and are more deserving of the place to earn them?
Those teams listed are all above average in terms of skill level, though, some very good clans. But still... isn't the whole point of tournaments not to discriminate?
Can you imagine someone saying, "We're going to hold the World Cup, and as this organisation is based in Columbia everyone from South America is automatically in!"
Crap analogy but still. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
11:23 27/11/2002
Promotion, relegation, top 6 in the premier get entry into the '(people who were nearly)Champions League'
sounds interesting, but trying to balance this with egl and jcsl will be hard :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
11:34 27/11/2002
I see what you mean tho, there are clans that are there that dont 'deserve' an autoberth so to speak but i agree with it anyway
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11:48 27/11/2002
just because they are with eSport-Pro, doesn't mean they are all serious.. and I'm pretty much sure there are some much more serious clans in the UK [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
zebras
11:59 27/11/2002
i can see him sitting there in the suit of justice!! :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Anti-saviour of UKT
12:05 27/11/2002
Sniper's Alley
12:07 27/11/2002
Initially the league will be free of charge, however the cups will not be. This is to avoid time wasters entering and disrupting the proceedings. We aim to have around 4 cups a year, for each season. The network is a non-profit organisation, so all entrance fees are put 100% towards prize money and prizes.
So basically this means that a team that has not even put any money into entering the tourn will stand a good chance od actually winning the event. As we can all agree the teams that will get free entry would probally fancy there chances of winning ect.
To me that would be a major put off to join the cup due to the fact they dont have to put any cash into the pot.
The way around this of course would be for esports pro to pay for them to enter thus ensuring they get free entry whilst not lowering the winning pot and ensuring a level playing field in terms of paying to play. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Rush!
12:09 27/11/2002
Rush!
12:10 27/11/2002
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Top 10 commentors on UKT^ - interesting eh? ;/ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
12:21 27/11/2002
and ripper pls stay off our cb comments unless ur decalring ur lvoe for me :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Lite
12:22 27/11/2002
This isn't a "oh my clan not got espro sponsorship wha wha wha" it just seems unfair on decent clans that say missed the esports.pro signup, or choose not to have it. BWCSL is going to be p2p next season, but they make it that everyone has to pay which in my eye's is a much fairer system. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
12:22 27/11/2002
and ferrers makes a good point [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Lite
12:25 27/11/2002
Anti-Climax
12:25 27/11/2002
So what do I win ? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
12:28 27/11/2002
This is what esports pro does, helps support clans. We feel this was a good deal as they will also help us with some top prizes for the CUP.
The league on the other hand is completly free for all teams.
The cup wont be launching untill after the league anyway.
i do understand what you are saying though. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Lite
12:33 27/11/2002
So the only entrants could be esport.pro teams winning esport.pro prizes? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Anti-Climax
12:35 27/11/2002
12:37 27/11/2002
Its up to you if you want to enter the league, the fee will be relativly small, you only enter the league with the esp clans in if u seriously think you have a chance of winning.
The cup is an ongoing devlopment at the moment, we are concentrating on the league.
im starting to consider 2 cups at the same time like a 'pro' and amatur
its just an idea, im taking in all your comments on this btw
12:38 27/11/2002
Lite
12:41 27/11/2002
If lots of non esports.pro clans sign up, pay and an esports.pro freely entered clan wins (which as ferrers says is a high possibility) then the professionals in a sense are ripping off the amatuers :/
When you start saying X amount of people have to pay and X don't you have to have extremely airtight or valid reasons for this. As again ferrers says, if esports.pro would pay all the entrant fee's that would mean excellent prizes all around. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
12:44 27/11/2002
but what im suggesting about 2 cups is one pro one amature, the pro contains the esp clans and any who think they can perform at that level.
Whereas the amatur cup is pay per entry to all clans (obviously the prizes wont be as good)
but remember csgn is primarilly a league, cups are additional. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Rush!
12:45 27/11/2002
12:46 27/11/2002
yea i know, but you need some kind of guide i guess - and esp is the only group trying to sort this out [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Lite
12:47 27/11/2002
Also, how would you look about funding the prizes for the professional one, as surely only the esport.pro teams who haven't paid anyway would only be put in that, and anyone else would just enter the "easier" route of the amatuer? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Rush!
12:49 27/11/2002
Anti-saviour of UKT
12:49 27/11/2002
Lite
12:50 27/11/2002
12:51 27/11/2002
so in a way they are paying for the clans to join
Cups are a test, we could do one season. mayb make the first seanson free for all. If it works out well then expand on it, if not then phase it out.
But i do undestand your point though. so throw suggestions at me if you want
Nocturne
12:52 27/11/2002
Rush!
12:52 27/11/2002
Rush!
12:53 27/11/2002
Lite
12:53 27/11/2002
12:54 27/11/2002
allthough i still accept it
Rush!
12:54 27/11/2002
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12:55 27/11/2002
Nocturne
12:56 27/11/2002
Lite
12:58 27/11/2002
Offtopic: Ripper i searched to see if you were gay and nothing came up :? So i sent a search thingy off gg ;) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
12:59 27/11/2002
Rush!
12:59 27/11/2002
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13:03 27/11/2002
and then another public cup which all pay to enter??
what you think about that idea? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Lite
13:04 27/11/2002
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13:06 27/11/2002
Lite
13:07 27/11/2002
13:08 27/11/2002
thats why im looking for suggestions
13:15 27/11/2002
Look at Jolt's Red November for an example of how pay-to-enter tournies work - and they had £1000s of prizes.
Letting clans in for free will just alienate the rest - "erm, ui, omg! in for free... and we have to pay x amount of money to enter? No thanks." [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
13:33 27/11/2002
Jamie Tromans - Network Director
How about:
Jamie Tromans - Big Clueless Tit [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
13:34 27/11/2002
When people have to start paying is when it will die.
for starters there are a few clans who r a lot better than some mentioned above. If the above mention clans form a premier league and the other teams have to pay to be in a lower league its not gonna happen. It'll end up 'just another league'. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
13:36 27/11/2002
13:36 27/11/2002
zebras
13:40 27/11/2002
rofl alivn 8) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Anti-saviour of UKT
13:44 27/11/2002
fightclubclan
13:50 27/11/2002
Croydon
14:05 27/11/2002
14:16 27/11/2002
Rush!
14:17 27/11/2002
14:17 27/11/2002
The league is Free
FREE!
the Cup (which we will be workin on ONCE the league is done) will be pay to enter. We dont know if the cup will work its a test.
FREE LEAGUE
for all.
*sigh* [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Game2XS.Monkey Magic
14:19 27/11/2002
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Game2XS.Monkey Magic
14:22 27/11/2002
Anti-saviour of UKT
14:23 27/11/2002
Lite
14:24 27/11/2002
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14:40 27/11/2002
Nick^ they were randomly selected some from gold/silver/bronze... there were a few teams i purposely left out. digital Edge as they just got a server/website stuff etc so i tried to share it round as much as i could next time ill let you pick something yeh [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
14:41 27/11/2002
Game2XS.Monkey Magic
14:44 27/11/2002
...no s*** sherlock [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
14:45 27/11/2002
Game2XS.Monkey Magic
14:52 27/11/2002
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Game2XS.Monkey Magic
14:57 27/11/2002
Anti-saviour of UKT
14:57 27/11/2002
14:58 27/11/2002
Currently, we have implemented one “open league”, which we are aiming at the more able clans in the UK to take part in. I think you will agree that there is a growing gap between current UK leagues and the more professional clans. We also aim to run a seasonal cup.
My clan for example, managed to achieve a semi-respectable 6th in a well-known UK “open league” with about 800 registered clans. The only logical explanation for this would be down to the fact the standard of this “open league” is not especially high (at least for the UK based version), and/or the fact its not particularly active since I know that my team is pretty average. Other countries see this “open league” to be a method of sorting sheep from the goats. If u make the top 20 in the German version of this “open league”, you are doing pretty well.
So, CSGN is attempting to build an open league attracting a high standard of competitive play. At this point it should be made clear that entrance to this open league is completely FREE, but there will be limitations on sign ups. The reason for these registration restrictions it to make sure the standard of the league remains high.
However, after analysing what is already a vast amount of feedback after only few days of our information being released, a few key points have been made clear.
- Clans seem to me more interested in a multi-league based scenario – where clans are promoted and relegated on termly bases. This has both its positive and negative aspects. For example, it certainly lends itself to ensure that clans will be playing other clans at a similar standard of ability. However, it creates a tricky problem, knowing where to place the original signed up clans. Obviously, many clans will feel they are underrated, and many will undoubtedly feel that this is an insult and are unable to see it as an opportunity to prove the quality of their game play.
- There is uncertainty about eSport-Pro and the OpenCup, and sponsored clans. I will now try and make this clear. eSport-Pro are sponsoring 15 clans form their sponsorship gold, silver and bronze brackets, to enter the OpenCup tournament free. This does NOT mean that these 15 clans will not be adding to the prize fund. Effectively, they will be paying just as much as any other clan with the input eSport-Pro will be adding to the prizes.
- Also, it is important that you all understand there is no restriction on standard. As long as clans are serious about playing on the set fixtures and are looking to play competitively, this is all we ask. After all, the thrills and spills of FA cup in football, are generally derived from the fact any team can do anything. The best and worst are pitted against each other, and there are often surprises. It is these surprises that make it what it is. CSGN OpenCup is trying to achieve a similar idea.
- The idea of an Amateur and Professional cup has been suggested. This idea has many interested possibilities, but where does the official line between a professional and amateur clan lie? Certainly there are very few, if any UK clans that are paid a yearly salary by a company to play CS. And after all, a profession is something you are paid a salary to do. Nevertheless, 2 cups, one for able and one for less able clans is, potentially, a good idea.
- Some of you feel that the league should have a fee to join. We are currently discussing this idea, and perhaps will have this as a separate league running when the CUP is not.
Summary: no clan is entering the OpenCup for free. There is no bias; our primary aim is fairness and to take UK gaming to a more ‘professional’ level for every clan who wants to get involved, providing they have the right attitude.
Your input is essential, but I do feel comments like this are simply unconstructive. Criticism I can take, but plain obstruction is just pointless:
Alvin`
13:33, 27/11/2002
It seems Paul has started a trend with people giving themselves job titles to make them seem that little bit more important, and helping them to appeal to the kids who actually fall for this crap.
Jamie Tromans - Network Director
How about:
Jamie Tromans - Big Clueless Tit
Hope this has helped and I’m sorry if you still feel angry Alvin’
Regards,
Jamie ‘Obsidian’ Tromans [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
14:59 27/11/2002
I mean eSport-Pro is basically doing that, it doesn`t stop you getting *your* own sponsors to *sponsor* you to join the cup. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
15:02 27/11/2002
the CSGN OpenLeague will always be free. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
15:03 27/11/2002
theb0g
15:04 27/11/2002
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