BWCSL Anti-Mercing Rule Announced

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	Ripper Rush! 14:19 3/10/2002	ul NS, TDS etc [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Negotiator Clan ONE 14:25 3/10/2002	heh :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Loxam Lite 14:28 3/10/2002	Will the results stand as they are, or get reversed for the mercing? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 14:29 3/10/2002	It'd be nice to get them reversed but I highly doubt that will happen. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Loxam Lite 14:30 3/10/2002	maybe a replay? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 14:33 3/10/2002	that'd be fair, but for some clans this would mean replaying quite a few matches. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Loxam Lite 14:34 3/10/2002	Really? I thought this was just a recent thing, TDS didn't merc against us i don't think... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 14:36 3/10/2002	Its only recently become known, I know for a fact the specific person played more than once. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SphericaL 14:56 3/10/2002	pld BWCSL [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	KhAoS meatyballs 14:57 3/10/2002	This has resulted in some extremely unfair results in divisions 2 and 3 in particular he's reffering to me, as i play for MiNg-UK in division 3. But seeing as though i am not going to CPL Oslo or Dallas, not attending wcg, and not playing in Eurocup, i reckon that makes me still eligable :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 14:58 3/10/2002	wot clans have used mercs in the lower divisions, and what players? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 14:59 3/10/2002	I think he was referring to the TDS situation moreover. But yes, no doubt you come into that category as well. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	KhAoS meatyballs 15:01 3/10/2002	but don't qualify for disqualification rippr, as i don't break any of these newly implimented rules. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 15:09 3/10/2002	I think you should personally pull yourself out of the MiNG squad then. Since you realise the problems its causing. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	KaM 15:12 3/10/2002	they should really include open cup with the eurocup [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	St_George g30rg3h UKTerrorist 15:16 3/10/2002	agreed KaM. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obz 15:16 3/10/2002	mwwahahaha gj bwcsl. bl dumbass clans who abused the slack ass rules. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	LordOfBlood 15:18 3/10/2002	pld Rogue n1 LoB [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ryano theb0g 15:19 3/10/2002	So what if player x just changes his name to player y, I certainly don't lose any of my ability under a different alias? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ryano theb0g 15:19 3/10/2002	Nobody say I don't have ability please. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obz 15:20 3/10/2002	you don't ha...... :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 15:33 3/10/2002	There are always ways deean, we have an extensive admin team and one of them is always aware of another clan using such players. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rogue1 15:44 3/10/2002	Ok, just a little come-back on a couple of the points. First, Khaos is by no means the only person this rule will hit and is not one of the people I primarily had in mind when it was drafted. However, since my records show he played at the WCG quals (for e2, I think), this rule will affect him. Secondly, we have ways of checking for mercing that go beyond our WONID system. I'm not going to give details of it here, but suffice it to say that I'm confident that not many people will be able to get around them. I know that a few people will be annoyed by these rules, especially the top level players who get to beat up some poor lower-div people once a week. However, it's my intention that BWCSL should be for fun and fair competition for clans of all levels. We've had almost a dozen instances of this abuse so far this season and in every case, people have objected. If top level players want to take part in our league, then their clans should join. If their clans don't want to join, then I'm afraid we can't allow our system to be abused like this. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	St_George g30rg3h UKTerrorist 15:44 3/10/2002	if the clan doesnt have a sifnificant gain from the merc, then i don't belive it's such a problem. BUT, when someone like khaos mercs for a div 3 team, it's obvious he'll rape the opposing team, with or without the help of his team mates. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 15:51 3/10/2002	forget about e2 khaos? ;) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	vip 15:51 3/10/2002	wots mercing mean? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	nerf Clan ONE 16:09 3/10/2002	applauds bwcsl n1 Rogue [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 16:15 3/10/2002	He forgets about a lot of 'em so he has rarely merced [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obi Clan ONE 16:20 3/10/2002	omg nick get back to work u slack hoe [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obz 16:21 3/10/2002	mercing = a small african wilderbeast. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	KhAoS meatyballs 16:23 3/10/2002	i asked rogue1 a few questions, as to what if players, who don't play in these competitions, play for a lower team, (doesn't have to be an amazingly good player, but if he is top by a fair few kills, apparently he gets banned). [16:14] <uG-KhAoS-> if a good player [16:14] <Rogue1> So they're div3 [16:14] <uG-KhAoS-> joins a 3rd division team [16:14] <uG-KhAoS-> do u ban him? [16:14] <uG-KhAoS-> yes or no? [16:14] <Rogue1> I have yet another option here [16:14] <uG-KhAoS-> if he's treating it like his personal playground [16:14] <uG-KhAoS-> plz [16:14] <uG-KhAoS-> answer my question? [16:14] <uG-KhAoS-> not difficult, 1 word [16:14] <Rogue1> Yes [16:14] <uG-KhAoS-> HAHAH [16:14] <uG-KhAoS-> you ban someone for being too good? this is a note for anyone who plays better than the rest of their team, if you are too many kills ahead, you will be BANNED by rogue1. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iron 16:26 3/10/2002	You cant stop it, this type of rule has been in place in hundreds of other leagues for along time, all that will happen now is that mercs wont be 'legitimate' but nobody really looked upon them in that way before, this will stop about 1% of mercs, and most of them will be idiots anyway(new people!) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obz 16:27 3/10/2002	umm shut up [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Messiah Game2XS.Monkey Magic 16:30 3/10/2002	The system will be evaded!!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	KhAoS meatyballs 16:34 3/10/2002	messiah is on the dole [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	VespR 16:38 3/10/2002	lol, whatever happened to this Khaos... http://www.ukterrorist.com/comments/view.php?type=n&id=1928 "i am no longer in noc, and i am quitting playing serious cs, my bad attitude, has annoyed too many people in the cs community to be tolerated any longer. So to those who i have irritated, i would like to apologise and hope that i won't bother you again. I'll just play for MMX for fun over the summer, then when i move in august, i won't take my pc with me." August has been and gone and you took your pc! /sigh [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	decrepit Croydon 16:44 3/10/2002	stop crying /sigh /sigh /sigh /sigh /sigh /sigh /sigh /sigh /sigh /sigh /sigh /sigh /sigh /sigh [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rogue1 16:45 3/10/2002	I know Khaos is a bit upset about this, but ultimately, I'm more concerned with restoring fair competition to our divisions than I am about pleasing him. Before this season, I never really had to worry about matters like this, since most clans were capable of behaving in a vaguely ethical manner. Sadly, this season, people have discovered this loophole and it's been exploited to the full. I understand that my measures are draconian, but I'd ask you to think about it this way. We'll use Khaos as an example, since he seems determined to make himself into one. Say he plays in that division all season. MiNg-UK will win all of their matches. He'll enjoy the season, the rest of his clan will. However, to everybody who has to play them, it'll be clear that they've only lost their match because of a top-level player being friends with their opposition. Believe it or not, I've had official complaints from every clan Khaos has played against this season. Ultimately, that makes for 9 unhappy clans for 1 happy clan. Now, this isn't the only instance of this we've seen this season. A lot of other clans at lower levels are using top-level players. Maybe not on a weekly basis, as with Khaos, but we're seeing a lot more random world-class people showing up in our games. We won't be backdating this rule to cover the whole season. It wasn't a rule at the time and I'm sure that some of the clans in question will have used their new players in all innocence, so it wouldn't be fair. Please also note that the quotation from Khaos was out of context, from a confidential discussion and did, I admit, show me when I was getting close to losing my temper with his constant attempts to be an amateur lawyer. As I say, I'm sorry he's unhappy, but I have to put the wellbeing of the league above the happiness of just one or two people. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	KhAoS meatyballs 16:46 3/10/2002	Rogue1, u actually admitted, that if someone is too much better than the rest of his team, he will be banned, and you call yourself a 'fair' admin :) lol [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rogue1 16:49 3/10/2002	If people want to see why you're not eligible, they just need to take a look at the OMG thread further down the main news page. As far as I'm concerned, the argument ends there. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	KhAoS meatyballs 16:51 3/10/2002	but you also say, you will ban anyone too good for their team, leet admin skillz you have rogue! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rogue1 16:52 3/10/2002	As I say, I was angry when I made the comment. I apologise for that. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Mathieu 16:53 3/10/2002	I think KhAoS has a point, a good player may join officially and potentially get banned for being too good. Maybe their should be like an 8 day apprasial on new members, and that their WONids etc should be checked for whores. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	KhAoS meatyballs 16:53 3/10/2002	oh right! so you make and, and change rules, depending on yor mood :) like i say, s*** hot admin! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	j0nb0y 16:54 3/10/2002	Good job Rogue. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Mathieu 16:54 3/10/2002	Oh and also Rogue, thins like OMG arguments happen due to the thick heads in the communty who know nothing, that will never be helped :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Negotiator Clan ONE 16:56 3/10/2002	rogue dont listen to him, he can b a tit somtimes :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Mathieu 16:57 3/10/2002	When will the day come when a comments page wont be full of skinny spotty teenagers posting generally pointless comments! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Messiah Game2XS.Monkey Magic 16:57 3/10/2002	No ones listening [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rogue1 16:58 3/10/2002	Mathieu: I have a special squadron of flying pigs booked for an airshow to celebrate that day. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Mathieu 16:58 3/10/2002	WooHoo! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Eagle 17:02 3/10/2002	gj rogue [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Negotiator Clan ONE 17:04 3/10/2002	nothing wrong with rouge he owns khaos just leave it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Eagle 17:06 3/10/2002	When will the day come when idiots dont acuse anyone being an idiot of being a teenager? FO you ageist c*** [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rogue1 17:16 3/10/2002	I don't think it was the age he was suggesting was the problem. I think it's more that the spots must secrete some kind of mood-altering substance :) Sorry... I'm in a very funny mood now. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iron 17:21 3/10/2002	actually the problem is little geeks like N38 who have nothing better but to f*** around with their computers, and while this isnt true for most teenagers, its certainly true for idiots like Eagle. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	m0rph Infinity-eSports 17:21 3/10/2002	lol [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Negotiator Clan ONE 17:33 3/10/2002	whats ur ex clan iron? :)) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Necroboy 17:36 3/10/2002	Khaos, why exactly do you want to play in division 3? Cant you see its making it unfair for the other teams? Ethics anyone? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Negotiator Clan ONE 17:39 3/10/2002	khaos is worst than annum was :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 17:40 3/10/2002	eagle's an idiot no matter what his age :E [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dr_Evil^ 17:41 3/10/2002	Obviously cos Khaos has such little self esteem he has to play for clans at a low level to get some small satisfaction in his pathetic life. No doubt hes a good player but where is the sense of victory if defeat is impossible? Stop being such a c**k and let the lower division clans play on a level field. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Chris0 17:43 3/10/2002	Mebbe hes friends with someone or people in the clan? a skill level of a player shouldnt determin which league he is in, if I-eS (which i doubt :P) enter the BWCSL they in theory should start at the bottom, but by your statement should start in the top league, that would be unfair to the teams who have worked for 2/3 seasons to work their way up, and expanding a league cos a new team joins is putting 1 team about all the others. So skill should not even come into it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rogue1 17:48 3/10/2002	New clans entering the league do so at a level I believe is appropriate. I make a few mistakes in this regard and due to timing and space restrictions, I have to put one or two clans in inappropriate divisions, but by and large, it works. For example, when I admitted FCC to the league this season, I put them straight in at the division 1 level and their play so far has proven my decision to be the correct one. MiNg-UK took over a space from SBS-Poole towards the end of season 3. As I remember it (there may be minor inaccuracies) SBS-Poole entered BWCSL in season 2, at a division 3 level. They spent all of seasons 2 and 3 in division 3, then went down to division 4 for season 4. At the end of season 4, MiNg-UK won promotion back up to season 3. Up until this point, there had been no real indications that they were at all inapproriate for those divisions. I should emphasise that I had never had any problems with them and bore them then (and bear them now) no ill-will. However, the point I am trying to make is that this is not like i-es being placed in division 3. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	H 17:48 3/10/2002	I can remember agers ago wen i was on a server and i said khaos was a mercing whore, and he went on for 10mins about he never mercs blah blah and then he kicks me. hmm, but anyways, my point!, khaos just stfu and play for uG, god, why do u need to play so many wars, its like joining uk2 man and owning them and saying "I OWN U ALL!, I'M THE BEST!! yadyayydyaydy" [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dr_Evil^ 17:49 3/10/2002	CS is played for fun. The most fun is when games are close (imo and FO if you dont agree tbh). There is no point playing a clan thats going to rape you and winning games 23 - 1 is a waste of time. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	KhAoS meatyballs 18:01 3/10/2002	Dr_Evil how's XLNC m8? they beat SK.sca didn't they last week? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	KhAoS meatyballs 18:03 3/10/2002	it's so funny how dr evil is the only one that can insult with his actual name, "node" "H" if you feel so strongly about your opinions, why not voice them under you're real name? hahahaha nobs. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	KhAoS meatyballs 18:06 3/10/2002	i play for ming, because they are mates of mine, not just online, but i've met them in real life. I play with them, because i've known them for years, so why not play for my friends, nothing to do with beating people in divison 3. we even got raped by UBND, a very good team, doesn't bother us.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 18:07 3/10/2002	would theb0g be banned from even entering bwcsl then? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Messiah Game2XS.Monkey Magic 18:07 3/10/2002	the b0g would be sent to mars! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 18:07 3/10/2002	leave our tom alone now thx [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 18:08 3/10/2002	tbh i want a serious answer coz we wanna enter in division 3 and put m3s & scouts to good use [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iron 18:12 3/10/2002	why nego? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 18:12 3/10/2002	for a start you cant demand what division you wanna be put in, and secondly, there's a massive waiting list so dont expect it to be easy to get in. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 18:13 3/10/2002	im taking it u dont know who theb0g are by missing out the obvious jokes ;( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 18:14 3/10/2002	either that or u took me seriously, which like, should never ever happen [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rogue1 18:15 3/10/2002	Shads: I don't know much about your clan, so I'll keep my answer general. If you're a division 1 level clan, I can put you in BWCSL if I have a division 1 space free. I would prefer not to put you in a division 2 slot, but may do so after consulation if no division 1 slots were free and I would do everything I could to keep you out of divisions 3 and 4. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 18:18 3/10/2002	ignore me if u dont know what i was joking about :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 18:20 3/10/2002	i was taking you serious [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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