The CPL and Pro-gaming - A Cynic's View

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	Paul 12:43 17/7/2002	Well I read the article....not ver constructive! Well....I suggest that people I know (even my dad, my wife and both my sons) who don't play CS found watching a HLTV game via a TV out socket through a booster to a widescreen TV found it entertaining and even tense at some points....I had put it on for my sons to watch...but then other people who had no interest sat and whatched in silence enjoying the specticle. There are many sports which are niche but have avid followers and get great exposure...I thing "gaming" would have wider audience attraction if it were exposed to people who "don't think" they would enjoy it! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Paul 12:44 17/7/2002	what a poor keyboard I have:)) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iron 13:23 17/7/2002	Why did u even post this, its clearly written by a complete retard who thinks that only 3000-4000 ppl give a s*** about the game worldwide, even though 6 million people play it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	arma 13:24 17/7/2002	sensible and constructive as allways paul :) time will tell basically, but i can see why it could/couldnt happen - and it has happened to an extent in Korea, no reason why not over here. I cant remember who it was, but he said he worked for bskyb (i think) and said he was trying to get gaming into the minority sports section - that would help a hell of a lot. I might have to try that HL-TV thing, force my mates to watch the CPL final on it or sommat, see what they think :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	arma 13:27 17/7/2002	edit: also i heard that there was roughly 1 million people watching the NiP vs X3 games in the final last year? either via HL-TV or scorebots, so where he get 3-4k people from? (that figure could be wrong but i read it on a respected site) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iron 13:29 17/7/2002	I think it was 30k ppl watching the final, and the person you are refering to is PFcalcio. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fluke Official Capybara Herder UKTerrorist 13:30 17/7/2002	Why did u even post this, its clearly written by a complete retard who thinks that only 3000-4000 ppl give a s*** about the game worldwide, even though 6 million people play it. I posted it because it's another view on the whole pro-gaming debate that people may be interested about. You might not agree with the man's argument, but that's not really the point. :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iron 13:31 17/7/2002	Yeh it is another view, but hes based his view on a pile of bollocks, so therefore, you shouldnt really of posted it :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fluke Official Capybara Herder UKTerrorist 13:34 17/7/2002	I'm not defending his argument, or him. But you can't just say "Oh that's a pile of bollocks" and decide by yourself absolutely no-one is allowed to view the column. Again, you might not agree with him but others might. It's called freedom of speech. :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	arma 13:34 17/7/2002	lol 30k sounds a bit more reasonable, although its still alot of people considering the restrictions in place (net connection, time difference etc...) and then theres people that downloaded the demos afterwards, similar to watching a TV re-run i guess - i wonder how many people watched the grand finalé of the world tractor pulling contest :D although i have little, if any, chance of becomming a pro-gamer i would love to see it take off over here [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DArtagnan Infinity-eSports 13:44 17/7/2002	I thought the whole point in XSR was to promote pro-gaming, and e-sports. That's shy Sujoy created it, so why let f*** witts who try to damage the image do columns there? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DArtagnan Infinity-eSports 14:11 17/7/2002	With the HLTV for the final, every proxy was full, the limit to how many people could view the final was filled. There are gonna be more people at the event itself that his predicted 3k-4k. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	-m0o.Rob- 14:12 17/7/2002	no need to get abusive towards it, at least they got off their ass and wrote their views out rather than sitting on a website comments board abusing everyone elses opinions. At the end of the day, "e-sports" will never become a fully-fledged sport, and you lot seem to forget, IS BECAUSE IT IS A GAME INVOLVING SHOOTING PEOPLE WITH GUNS UNTILL THEY CEASE TO BREATHE. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads` 14:45 17/7/2002	so dear hunting is never going to interest anyone then rob? yes there will be people who will go against it, but there are already 6 million or so that will be for it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads` 14:46 17/7/2002	i said my part on the xsreality thread, can't be arsed repeating it all here as it's rather long. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shadd 15:10 17/7/2002	Will pro gaming ever happen? Most people outside of the game community don't give a toss about it, and rightly shouldn't. Quite a lot of people see it as sad & nerdy, and rightly so, people that spend hours infront of their computer playing a game? People that talk like IDIOTS with their stupid net language omfg tbh u noob makes the whole gaming community look like a bunch of sad cases. I don't believe it will appeal to outsiders in the short term... On the other side of the argument, online gaming has it's own massive fan base - the players itself. If they're willing to pay for, say, viewing CS games over HLTV, then something might progress. That community will slowly expand. As for success stories, it's not just limited to Korea. I'm half Filipino, and I was over there in Easter time, every shopping mall, and I mean every single one, had at least one or two Net cafes, all FULL of kids playing Counter-Strike. My cousins had heard of the game (even my girl cousins played it). There were adverts on television, yes, real mainstream channels (their equivalent of BBC2, say), for national tournaments with decent prizes. Pro-gaming is just like another hobby really, like, say, skateboarding or mountain biking, or model aircraft flying. No one outside of it really cares, but if the community itself puts enough effort in, then it will be a success story. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads` 15:36 17/7/2002	Exactly, people are always saying that pro gaming wont work simply because other people that dont play the games wont be interested in it, but why would that possibly stop it? MILLIONS of people already play CS, but over half of them dont know about top clans, top events, or anything like the sort. Like i said in XSReality, it's more about getting it into the heads of all the people that do actually play CS but just dont know or get into the pro side of things rather than getting it to the people that dont play CS or any other games. I hate watching skating events because i find them boring. Does that mean that the millions of people who do enjoy it and do do the sport should be denied it because of my view from someone who actually has nothing to do with the sport? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iron 16:18 17/7/2002	no Fluke, shouldnt articles be based on facts with opinions formed around them? and not just on what somebody thinks, or feels like putting to make their opinions stronger, nothing in his article is based on fact, therefore it is a pile of bollocks. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Paul 16:22 17/7/2002	I have just had a chat with E4 and they recon that the CS game is not PC enough for TV. I told her that the words "Terrorist" and "Counter Terrorist" could be removed and replaced with team names etc and that the game already has built in multi view modes. I also said that levels (with advertising in them) and scenarios could created to make the game more acceptable. She said that maybe the subject warranted further consideration. She asked if they could see an example of an actual game so they could get a better grasp of the entertainment value!! (I don't know how). I also pointed out that there were other games i.e. Q3 that were fantasy games and therefore could not have many issues regarding suitability. Also....the bullets in CS and Q3 are not real u know :)...they are as dangerous, actually, less dangerous than the paintballs used in that silly X-fire game they have spent 10's of thousands on. There maybe issues with the publisher Vervendi (I think)though! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iron 16:25 17/7/2002	If she wants an example send her something decent like fragordie :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Messiah Game2XS.Monkey Magic 16:25 17/7/2002	The next big game will be the 'one' when it finally kicks off big time i reckon. Oh and paul has nits :? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rav0r 16:28 17/7/2002	Golfs boring as f*** imo, but how rich is tiger woods? >:[ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fluke Official Capybara Herder UKTerrorist 16:36 17/7/2002	no Fluke, shouldnt articles be based on facts with opinions formed around them? Probably why the guy wrote a column and not an article. :P Iron, you're getting desperate with the points you're making and this debate (or whatever it is) is null anyway as I'm not going to remove the newspost. So we'll both just shake hands and walk away from this conversation, right? ;) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iron 16:40 17/7/2002	im not getting desperate at all tbh, and im not arguing with u, so theres no need to shake hands, i just find it funny how this is probably the first opinionated column post in the history of ukt, and its against the very thing that most ppl on this site want to happen?:\| [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	-m0o.Rob- 16:56 17/7/2002	Shads killing deer is SLIGHTLY different to killing people, something to do with species or some scientematician s***. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Paul 16:56 17/7/2002	Can anyone get me / tell me how I can get a CD with a full game on ( a good game) that will just go in a PC CD player and play so they can watch it? pref full screen not DivX. Someone must have the expertise to do it. Let me know :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads` 17:03 17/7/2002	Yeah but Rob, killing dear is real, killing people in CS is a game. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	-m0o.Rob- 17:05 17/7/2002	dude, you're preaching to the converted, I know its dumb, but it's the way the big players think about it. Is killing a deer morally acceptable yet virtually killing a person for money not? ask the psychologists not me, but that's the way it is seen. And besides, Deer hunting is hardly world class, and probably has more opposition than fanatics. "probably" remember, im not a pro deer slaughterer :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads` 17:08 17/7/2002	Yeah i know, but also look at wrestling(ok i know its fake but little kids dont most of the time AND they reinact it), and boxing; people kicking the s*** outta each other for prizes, in my eyes i would say that was possibly worse than a computer game involving killing, but like you said it's the llamas with the public voice that get the end say even if they dont say what the majority of the public want them to. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	naz^ 17:17 17/7/2002	the guy is more right than u think. i know for a fact that nuccio said around 20-30k ppl watched the final last year, which underlines the the inadaquacies of the current HLTV system... still, of the 6 million cs players worldwide, i doubt more than 500,000 would know about the top teams atm, which is a pathetic amount compared to other sports. There is still a huge gulf between playing the game, and being absorbed in the game. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dino^ 18:50 17/7/2002	Cs well be become a pro sport for the lazy people, how can you call sitting on your hole playing with a mouse and keyboard a sport, ffs wking burns more calories than cs does. So lets make wking a pro sport [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	decrepit Croydon 19:04 17/7/2002	to ppl who say that the idea of xsr is to promote gaming, surely its better to have an objective view rather than just view 1 side of the coin. You cant argue that many of the points in the column r valid. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	-m0o.Rob- 19:05 17/7/2002	tiddlywinks f*s your s* up [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	FuSe 19:10 17/7/2002	I know it isn't what people like us want to hear, but the guy has a point, if you like gaming, you will game, and you will download demo's and avis' to watch, it is true that there probably are more potential gamers in the world, especially young children (i.e paul's kiddies :D). However not everyone will game, and i'd suggest most people won't, therefore they won't have an interest in it and wont want to watch it etc. Also: Just like to say respect to Paul, you love cs and I admire what you're doing for Nocturne and the community, Rhyzz is a friend in rl (unfortunately :P) so i hear a lot about it. We need more guys like Paul, because that way gaming will have the best chance to become a true sport with a large following and good sponsorship and funding. 6 million people may sound a lot, but thats not much out of the population of the developed world, and that doesn't mean 6 million people will want to watch games being played on tv! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ttttttttt 19:36 17/7/2002	cs will never become a pro-sport, the simple reason for this is that people who play CS are nerds and are ugly. FLAME AT CPL PREVIEW TWO TOPICS DOWN [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iron 20:17 17/7/2002	FuSe you are wrong, if your talking about a broad topic like gaming, that includes xbox, ps2, etc.. and almost everybody has one of those/played on one of those. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rav0r 20:53 17/7/2002	And sk\|Nicoles ugly? D:< [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	-m0o.Rob- 21:26 17/7/2002	no iron, playing gran turismo 3 doesnt mean you want to pay to watch counter-strike players sweat in a room [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iron 21:53 17/7/2002	yeh rob, and i said that, notice, 'gaming is a broad topic' [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Aardvark theb0g 22:03 17/7/2002	Not many people who don't play games like darts watch it, but it still gets national TV screenings of major championships :) I tend to watch the things I play, I never used to like watching football, cricket etc til I started playing them, people don't have to play at even as much as clan level to be involved in the game. You can just fire up a public game and go, easier than most pastimes really. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	-m0o.Rob- 22:06 17/7/2002	k iron :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	-m0o.Rob- 22:08 17/7/2002	at the end of the day we are/would be the hardcore fans of e-sports, and even alot of us don't fancy the idea of watching people sat around playing games, so most of the public will not enjoy it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads` 22:53 17/7/2002	presumptions (dont even bother to tell me if i spelt that wrong) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	-m0o.Rob- 23:31 17/7/2002	more of an intelligent guess ;) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	decrepit Croydon 23:34 17/7/2002	yeh i agree it cud easily get coverage similar to "sports" like darts or bmx or something and im kinda surprised it hasnt already since there's so many channels now with digital and so much s* on tv - it will definitely get some kind of digital coverage but similarly i think everything will cos networks are gonna start opening s*loads of new channels. However its never gonna be the next football or cricket, which many ppl seem to think it is. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iron 00:00 18/7/2002	Yeah it wont, but like you say itll defo get coverage from 'minority sports' channels etc..maybe when pc gaming is considered a sport by the government, like in korea, and in many many years time, with new games and new technology, pc gaming might receive coverage on a similar level to sports like cricket. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	-m0o.Rob- 01:11 18/7/2002	lol [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads` 01:36 18/7/2002	I don't think it'll be anywhere near as big as football/tennis/cricket etc. in the form that it's in as games and as attitudes towards it, BUT, 1 of the great things about it is that new hardware is always being developed and so are better games (although could be considered a downfall as well), but i think that when new solutions come into play as to HOW you play the game not just what game it is, then it will really take off. It could be a popular minority sport (if you understand the contradiction) in a few years, but it will take at least 10-20 years when/if new technologies and ways of playing come around, it will be BIG. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads` 01:37 18/7/2002	typos + crap grammar = 1:40am [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iron 01:45 18/7/2002	I mean, i dont think cs is the right game for an audience at all tbh, so as technology improves, and the right game eventually comes out, maybe it could get even bigger, cricket dont forget has been around centuries, and football has taken that long to become as popular as it is, maybe in 100 years pro-gaming might become as popular, but most of us wont be around to find out, or care by the time we do:) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blitz Editor UKTerrorist 09:17 18/7/2002	"no Fluke, shouldnt articles be based on facts with opinions formed around them? and not just on what somebody thinks, or feels like putting to make their opinions stronger, nothing in his article is based on fact, therefore it is a pile of bollocks." The news post says it's a column, which means it will more than likely include someone's opinion. Despite the fact you don't agree with what the guy says, it's still news and everyone has an opinion. Incidentally, I agree with you...it's pretty pants, but still...it's news and we don't concern ourselves with what arguments they may or may not make. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads` 09:31 18/7/2002	If it's nothing but 1 guy's opinion though (which it is, no facts at all for any of his points), then why does it get posted on UKT? Especially when most of the staff and readers don't even agree with what he's saying. Surely the majority of XSreality threads should be posted on UKT then, oh but wait no this is the only one. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	decrepit Croydon 09:44 18/7/2002	its interesting, its got ppl thinking and talking about it and its done its job, for ne1 who doesnt agree with it or want to get drawn into it, dont read it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	decrepit Croydon 09:49 18/7/2002	The CPL confirmed today that its Pentium® 4 Processor Summer Championship 2002 Event will be broadcast, via a live satellite feed, to television stations across the USA. Some footage will be pre-recorded on Tuesday at 12:15PM central. The CPL is inviting all attendees to the spectator area during this time to film the largest audience ever at a CPL event. The following television stations have already confirmed they the will broadcast the signal at different times on Wednesday morning: WKMG Orlando (CBS) 20 LIVE WPIX New York (WB) 1 LIVE CFN Orlando (CBL) 20 LIVE KUSA Denver (NBC) 18 LIVE WVTM Birmingham (NBC) 39 LIVE KTBC Austin (FOX) 54 LIVE WGHP Greensboro (FOX) 44 LIVE WPVI Philadelphia (ABC) 4 TAPE WXIN Indianapolis (FOX) 25 LIVE KWGN Denver (WB) 18 LIVE WGN Chicago (WB) 3 (Tease) LIVE WGN Chicago (WB) 3 LIVE KTLA Los Angeles (WB) 2 (Tease) LIVE KNTV San Francisco (NBC) 5 LIVE KTLA Los Angeles (WB) 2 LIVE KSAZ Phoenix (FOX) 17 LIVE KMAX Sacramento (UPN) 19 LIVE News Ch. 8 Washington D.C. (CBL) 8 LIVE CLTV Chicago (CBL) 3 LIVE WCCO Minneapolis (CBS) 13 LIVE KCPQ Seattle (FOX) 12 LIVE Soz just quotin from a press release, dunno if im allowed to do that, looks kinda relevant [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 11:07 18/7/2002	@dino^ darts, fishing and snooker are all sports and they arent exactly physically demanding :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blitz Editor UKTerrorist 12:33 18/7/2002	"If it's nothing but 1 guy's opinion though (which it is, no facts at all for any of his points), then why does it get posted on UKT? Especially when most of the staff and readers don't even agree with what he's saying. Surely the majority of XSreality threads should be posted on UKT then, oh but wait no this is the only one." Aren't all columns, no matter where posted, just '1 guy's opinion though'? We don't only post items we agree with, we post news. This was posted (I guess) because it's about a topic alot of people are interested in at the moment. If any other columns/articles are posted on XSR that are relevant to what we cover on this site, they'll get posted too. The majority of the content posted on XSR is on a broader context than just CS/pro-gaming/etc. [Edited by Blitz at 12:33, 18/7/2002] [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dino^ 16:45 18/7/2002	@smittens csers = very unhealthy my ma would be fitter than most csers except yer one nicole [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	FuSe- 17:41 18/7/2002	the point being, if you go out and say to the average person, even console owners, and many cs players and say "would you watch the cpl if it was on tv" or something similar i'd be very suprised if many said "yes i would definitely" there isnt a demand for gaming coverage from most people as they don't game and don't want to watch it.. People who don't play cs seriously don't have any interest in watching it being played, they like to play it, in their spare time and enjoy an hour or so a day/week or whatever.. It'll definitely become bigger than it is now, but not as huge as many people predict and personally i think counter-strike itself's popularity has peaked.. Final point: the reason that thread was posted on UKT was to incite people to read that post and obviously read UKT more.. its a way of generating interest for a newsite, all this stuff about it being innapropriate to post something that does down the CPL, don't be so naive. All they are intending to do is make you read it! If it is the opposite to what you think, you're more likely to read it as it constitutes something you haven't thought about much as it isn't your view. Flame away iron ;-) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Toomy 20:13 18/7/2002	yo momma is HOT though dino ¬_¬ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rav0r 08:57 19/7/2002	:x [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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