Is changing CS for the good?

Posted by R1ck at 22:02, 5/4/2005

Well I never usually write articles but for this I felt the need to. I have just finished an ED game, yes we all know ED isn’t the best of leagues in the UK but I suck and it’s the only way I can win games. I looked at the rules and it said ‘MR12’. I though mr12, I haven’t played this in a while, should be fun. Well this was one of the most fun games I have had playing counter-strike. So I am asking, was changing from mr12 to mr15 a good thing?

Pros:

In the mr15 rules the game is a lot quicker, more rushed and is more spectator friendly, so the CPL said. Yes, it’s much faster and better for the spectators. This will get more sponsors interested in a game if the spectators are watching it.

Cons:

The mr15 rule is worse for a playing point of view. I chose to play counter-strike over games such as Quake 3 and the newly release Painkiller because of the fact it isn’t just running about with a rocket launcher and blowing someone to pieces. It’s a much slower, tactical game which makes you think a lot more than other games.

Yes I know people will probably flame me about this but quite frankly I don’t care what you think about me, just the article. Because of this I have found counter-strike to be much more boring as you rush to a site and get 5 manned by some random. I would much rather have a game of counter-strike in which the round time is 3 minutes and you have time to think what your going to do rather than just rush before the time runs out. The CPL may think mr15 is better for spectators but to be honest, I would rather be it better when I play rather than watch a bunch of pros rushing each other.

I just want peoples views into why they think mr15 is better than mr12 and why leagues still play mr15 when quite frankly… its bollox

Comments

	Grunt 12:24 6/4/2005	mr15 with the mr12 round time would make me happy [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	exce classified 12:36 6/4/2005	In all honesty, I find that rounds of 1.45 allow plenty of time, it just takes a few wars to get used to it. You harldy need to rush all the time. Plus mr15 does mean that the pistol round (and the 2 eco's) is not as important [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Jeppo Last Chance 12:56 6/4/2005	Teams dont have to rush with 1.45 it allows at least two fakes before a full on site take. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Del` Sniper's Alley 13:13 6/4/2005	From a playing point of view CO or ARC with short roundtimes is best, but we left that behind a long time ago. Now we all play MR15 because it's 'amateur' not to, and of course we all think we are at cpl and like to use 15 sec buytimes in PCWs just because it's "pro". [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Valar` The Anti-DoZ 13:34 6/4/2005	i really dont see why people limit themselves to the one system, its part of the reason for the decline of cs. playing the same format over and over and over and over on the same 2 or 3 maps is just tedious. back in the day people would play arc, co or mr, depending on mood. but because everyone operates leagues based on the cpl (yeh cos how many people in csgn/ed or whatever are ever gonna get there?) thats what people play. ed is the grassroots community these days, they should possibly offer up arc and co ladders, see how popular they are. it might just inject a bit of fun back into the game for some people? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Liq 13:55 6/4/2005	the new mr15 rules are far superior than mr12. the extra 3 rounds mean the pistol rounds aren't as crucial as they were in mr12, but still important. the new roundtime still leaves time to execute any sort of complicated tactic, you just need to be more efficient and removes the 2 minutes of sitting around trying to pick people off which was, in my opinion, incredibly dull both to watch and play [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Aunt 14:30 6/4/2005	cos of the new bomb timer thingy canceling the clock, 1:45 isnt that short at all really [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Aunt 14:33 6/4/2005	also yto disagree with u paul, i think standardised rules promote a far better game, this may be a poor comparisson but look at all other "sports" there is really only 1 way everybody plays, in order to allow stability in the game! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DooMeh Lite 14:34 6/4/2005	agreed mr15 > mr12 but CO > all [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	b0sH twisted Reality 14:47 6/4/2005	MR15 is far better, previous to this a match could be all but won by winning only 4 "full" rounds (pistol, 3rd or 4th round would mean pistol+ecos, 3rd/4th + ecos both halfs = 10 rounds). 1:45 is fine though it does make rotation on certain maps difficult, rotating from alley on train to inside walking or from middle to B on cbble slowly as T is now very hard but I see no problem with it, Its solved many more problems than its created. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dhh 15:07 6/4/2005	Does anyone still play cs anymore? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Necroblob 15:54 6/4/2005	some entreprenair (sp?) like JR should buy the cs 1.5 source code off valve and re-release it with WON. that would make me happy shame it wouldnt be profitable.. so not really a useful contribution from me at all [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 16:05 6/4/2005	CO remains the single most fun and spectator friendly way to play the game, assuming some changes are made. The map timer stops when the bomb is planting, giving Ts an even larger incentive to get the bomb down on ecos. Suiciding punishes the same as TKing for money. As a result the overall speed of the game would increase, but it wouldn't be a rush every single round as we know CO wasn't like that from having played it for f*** knows how many years. Teams wouldn't be able to suicide on an eco with any value. CTs wouldn't be able to run away for hours from the final T, because the T can plant the bomb and halt the map timer. Those were the only problems that CO rules had. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Magic^ 16:25 6/4/2005	mr12/3min was s*** compared to mr15/1:45 .... i think rule change has been one of the best things the CPL has ever done for the game Column : Delete [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Black Cat^ 19:04 6/4/2005	.. obviously Magic^ you know everything, that your opinion is always right. Magic^ : Penis [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	exce classified 20:24 6/4/2005	Don't think the column should be deleted, raised some interesting points. Having only started CS at 1.5 and never played anything but MR, DoZ has made CO sound rather intriguing... wonder what the chances are of getting a CO rules war are these days? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Weebull 20:33 6/4/2005	Column extends Delete, wtf? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	teamx 21:57 6/4/2005	haha gary u missed out by a bugs dick :P we used to play CO in bwcsl, was most enjoyable :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Montaver theb0g 22:00 6/4/2005	CO > MR Why? Because back when CO was played CS was fast paced with jumping accuracy on pistols, no slow zoom, no jump delay etc etc. Sure, with the way CS is now MR is better, but back in the 1.1/1/3 days of CO games were certainly exciting, and wasnt just players crawling around spraying. Watch Frag Or Die to remind yourself just how much fun CS was then. I wrote a column along these lines a couple of years back I think. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	exce classified 08:46 7/4/2005	Aha, yes mike, I think I remember there being CO division, they hcanged it the season I started though. Ah well, cs is cs, doubt CO/MR really alters the game that much at the end of the day, still all be about timing and co-ordination. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 12:08 7/4/2005	CO was a lot more suited to CS in my opinion. It was a lot more frantic when you had 4 minutes left and needed 6 rounds to get the win, than if you've got 3 rounds left and need them all. The options as to how you played the time usually resulted in far more action. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	teamx 12:30 7/4/2005	CO was exciting [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DooMeh Lite 12:37 7/4/2005	I think CO rules with the way CS was in 1.1/1.3 really showed which clan was the greater skilled, I remember getting dicked off dNc like 40-2 or something in BWCSL, cs really was fun then without so much the 'pro' aspect which personally I think has made for much less enjoyable cs experience all round. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	exce classified 12:59 7/4/2005	I certainly have to agree about the 'pro' aspect making the game much less fun. Although for league/ladder organisers, differing from the CPL would end up meaning taht non of the CPL-wannabes would play... shame really as I really like the sound of "you had 4 minutes left and needed 6 rounds to get the win", would be manic! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 18:45 7/4/2005	Maybe CSGN or someone can host a CO cup, and run servers that don't have jumping slowdown and enable weapon fastswitching like it used to be ;-) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	RichyF 09:42 8/4/2005	Although i rate your column and understand your comments i dont agree with MR12 being better. MR15 with RT1.45 BT15 seems to be a sweet spot. Those 15 seconds are to let you tell your team the tactics. You then have 1.45 to execute those tactics. Rather than making it up as you go along. You have all the time you need on most maps to execute the most complicated tactics drawing CT's to the wrong bombsite or 'round the world' style fakes etc. Maybe increase roundtime slightly on larger maps or set it 2mins Although as exce sais, co rules sound interesting. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Valar` The Anti-DoZ 10:06 8/4/2005	why does csgn have to host it? all you need are a couple of servers donated and you're sorted for a nights entertainment :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DooMeh Lite 11:12 8/4/2005	How much interest would there be in a CO rules one night tournament to see how it goes? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	exce classified 11:28 8/4/2005	I'm almost certain we'd be interested, despite uni induced inactiveness. I'd be up for it, and the idea of the 'good ol' days' would no doubt prompt the others to play :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Conscript classified 17:05 8/4/2005	I hated CO Rules mainly cos we were crap at T tactics, but it seems more appealing now. Leads to more timing, better teamplay and better tactics. ARC was a right b*h with 5mins left and 5mins round and you needed 3 to win and the other team would camp out, that really was s*. CO would be good though. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 22:07 9/4/2005	watching skilled players > watching patient players [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	simpkiN 11:02 11/4/2005	altho half of the cs scene say quake3 is shizzle and its to quick and there fun involded ( along with painkille ) them to games are, and have been the best games ever made, in the history of gaming. and before u argue no its not, yes it is, or would of valve used the quake1 platform/netcode to make cs? if it was that bad, also quake3 and painkiller have always had the biggest touraments for them, like quakecon and cpl ( cpl started of as a quakeworld lan? ) and now cpl ruling out cs and letting painkiller take over its place in the world tour as the main game. most the time the reason ppl hate the games is becuz there dire at it and get fed up of losing game after game and end up relizing theres no cheats for the game and leave it. :) <3 rick [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	teamx 03:11 16/4/2005	i think u killed this 1 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	neill 00:09 17/4/2005	the pistol round was too important in mr12. With mr15, it has less of an impact on the match. i think that was a good reason to change it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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