I won't pay I won't pay, won't pay your way... (useless generation)

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	Atemi ForsakeN 17:35 4/4/2005	humm wonder what sparked this column off mike? oh and "generation of losers" good name for a song surely? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Undone^ ForsakeN 17:36 4/4/2005	im doing forensic science at uni so im going to be a CSI like Warrick Brown lol [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rekkiem ForsakeN 17:39 4/4/2005	dunno what u mean andy! ok ok <b>FOOTNOTE<b> part of this column idea came from semi drunken conversation with the right honourable Andy 'atemi' Farquea, formerly of Stealth @ssassins and ForsakeN [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Atemi ForsakeN 17:39 4/4/2005	oh and i do comp science at uni and wish i didnt. as ive said when this has come up before in conversation, id like to do a "Van Wilder" and stay at uni till im like 30 if i had the choice, apart from that tho ive no idea at all what i wanna do if/when i graduate [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Hotshot Choke 17:40 4/4/2005	no-one has a trade anymore i think thats a serious problem. We almost have too much opportunity to try all the things we want, but we never make a definite decision about what we want to do for the rest of our lives. The result? an aimlesss generation, of which i am part. Im about to graduate, touch wood, from University and as such am currently looking at job offers around the UK. These jobs are varied in both stature, financial gain and location. But the most obvious difference is that most of them have nothing to do with my degree course. Either through lack of ambition or downright stupidity, i'm now bored with my apparent dream vocation. Our generation is one that wants something for nothing and , as Rod Stewart(?) said, get their kicks for free. If i could chose a job, id like to be a top class chef. The main problem with that of course is that unless you ARE a top class chef, you end up working in the Happy Eater restaurant on the M42 for the rest of your life attempting to make hash browns exciting. As ideal as it can be to follow your dreams, I seriously advise people around the ages of 16-18 who still play CS to quit. Get your feet on the ground and figure out what you love thats a realistic possibility. Very very very few people make their living off professional gaming, either playing or organising, and to be among them is something that would for most of us be ideal. However, it isn't always possible :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rekkiem ForsakeN 17:42 4/4/2005	f***s sakes edd i was tryin to keep this away from CS ! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 17:44 4/4/2005	I went to uni and started computer science before I realised it was total bollocks. I bummed around for a bit and accidentally got a job as a trainee accountant which lasted until I couldn't stand the anal retentiveness of the career and doing, as you say, 9-5, 5 days a week, 48 weeks a year. f* that s*. It's just not possible to work when it's lovely and sunny outside ;-) So I decided I needed a job that'd allow me the time I needed. Education! So I'm off to embark on that in September. The joys of Gloucester Uni await. For anybody who doesn't know what they want then there's an old quote that springs to mind. If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there. Find something to do in the meantime that you don't mind. Either something to open up future prospects, or save up some money, or just have fun "living". Find some hobbies to keep you going too. Learn an instrument, a language, get in shape, take up a martial art, learn to draw, whatever. Something that it takes coming back to time and time again over the course of a couple of years to get accomplished at it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Danneth 17:57 4/4/2005	i also wanted to be a fighter pilot.... instead decided to be an electrician so from the age of 15 that is what i was doing by the time i was 17 i was re-wiring houses etc earning about 300-700 a week use to buy daft cars with daft insurance costs then when i was qualified sparky i quit went to work in a call centre for a year same place as my gf worked so that was a bad idea quit that 6 months ago and havent left the dustworld server since HELP!!!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DanceMag` 18:12 4/4/2005	Well im 16, gonna enroll to college in a few months to do english lit, maths, physics, + film studies. I've no idea what i want to do in life, and i will prolly end up like you lot! apart from the figher pilot, and im never gonna do anything practical coz im f***ing lazy. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Grunt 18:19 4/4/2005	i still think i can play right mid for liverpool, garcia is usless there [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 18:19 4/4/2005	Of course, we could tie the restless of mankind into occult and new age themes! The dawning of a new age now that we're leaving one house of the zodiac and entering another (entering Aquarius is it?). Or perhaps it's to do more with the Mayan's belief than mankind has been through 4 ages and the 5th age would begin at the end of their long count calendar, which is due to end in December 2012. Perhaps it's more the Celestine Prophecy style awakening of mankind. We're becoming restless because we're becoming more aware of ourselves, of our lives. Not constrained by religious dogma anymore, have waited a few hundred years for science to provide answers that religion used to, and even that's failed, meaning we have to find them ourselves. Could be the stories of starseeds. The indigo and crystal children sent here to guide humanity into the next era... I saw them cross the twilight of an age, The sun-eyed children of a marvellous dawn, The great creators with wide brows of calm, The massive barrier-breakers of the world ;-) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	exce classified 18:22 4/4/2005	I know precisely what you mean here, I was on the early cusp of this everyone gets to go to University craze (‘99). For me, Uni was just been the next ‘logical’ step, I’d done GSCE’s and A-levels, I really wanted to avoid ‘going to work’, and so lived up to my parents expectations and went to Uni. Got there had a laugh and found myself in your exact position, however, I took the “avoid real work option” and chose to do a PhD. Now, nearly 6 years down the line a BSc and a very nearly completed PhD, and what am I faced with… having to get a job and I still don’t know what I really want to do. But I honestly think this happens to everyone, even our parents at some point no doubt. You just need to remember why you work. For me, it’s to enable me to be able to do the things I want to outside of work. I do stupid hours on a fixed bursary (anything less than 70 is a good week), but it does what I require of it, enough money to have my own place, a car, and fund all my hobbies and holidays. I feel that everyone has there’s dreams of being a pilot, astronaut, rock/film star etc, although very few get the opportunity, and even those that do it’s a lot to do with fortuitous timing. I was told once, that as long as you enjoy your job 90% of the time, and it pays enough for you do most of the thing you want, you’ve succeeded. Might not apply to everyone, but it certainly put things into perspective for me. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	georgeda 18:28 4/4/2005	avoid work for as long as possible.. thats my motto :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	seik 18:30 4/4/2005	i wanna be a fighter pilot too. i've messed around with computers since i was 10, i'd made the decision by the time i was 12 that i didn't want to ever do any courses in it and that i didnt ever want to work in it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	mebR 18:32 4/4/2005	there is a time in your life when you just have to accept you wont be a proffesional footballer :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 18:40 4/4/2005	Or put the effort in required to become one, though that has to start at an early age unless you're an exceptional learner [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dhh 18:41 4/4/2005	Me and Doz.. owning up the primary teaching scene [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	brenje reSonance 18:45 4/4/2005	Excellent column, it's something that's been playing on my mind alot recently. When i left school in 99, it seemed clear to me, that doing I.T. at college and then uni would be in my best interest's. However since then i've done a Diploma, a HND (both in computing) and i'm currently studying for a degree in Architectural Visualisation & Architectural presentation. I've totaly lost interest in computing and now i dont know where i'm going with life. I'm even considering going back to college and doing a couple of A levels in English literature and English Language and then maybe a degree in journalism. Anyway, i dunno where this story is going ;D gl with your band rekkiem, and good look with your football career Grunt.. anythings better that what we've got now! ;D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Divine 18:50 4/4/2005	same page as you mate. Went to college, did a HND in computer studies, passed. Ended up working in PC f***ING WURLD of all places, and drifted into the sales world. Thankfully, im good at it, several moves of company later, and pay raise after pay raise, i have realised that this career is just NOT for me. and have applied for an arm of the forces (infantry). I hope that this is for me, still have doubts but i think id regret more not trying than sticking in sales i guess ^^ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Conscript classified 18:51 4/4/2005	Grunt you'd be better off going to Azerbijan, playing for Inter Baku for 4 years. Getting Azerbijan citerzenship and being their best player. I was wondering about doing that myself. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dhh 18:51 4/4/2005	I typed a long ass story out and my pc restarted itself.. anyway in brief: Wanted to become a marine biologist, got to college, got low grades in first year and figured I had no chance of doing well enough to get in uni for it. Had a long think about what i wanted to do, debating joining the army again, found out i didnt have perfect site and went on a downer for a while. I'd lost my way, then it hit me; the thing I really enjoy doing is maths. Why not share my passion with others? What age group i asked myself? Gotta be 5-11. Any younger I look like a paedo, any older and they're all moody adolecents. So as of now I got places for York St John and Edge Hill for September and I'm looking forward to it [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	exce classified 18:52 4/4/2005	Don't do a degree in Journalism, I read in the Times that journalism is one of the few degrees that will actually lessen your chances of working in that field, you’re better of doing English and then applying for journalism jobs, perhaps write stuff on your degree and try to get it published (free-lance like). [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rekkiem ForsakeN 18:53 4/4/2005	Gotta be 5-11. Any younger I look like a paedo haha but 5-11 yr olds are ok ...? :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	00 Judean People's Front 18:55 4/4/2005	Fixing yet another plug socket today at work, something struck me. I wanted to be a fighter pilot. zooom. bang. bang. Always have been since i saw 'Top Gun' when I was 6. So what did your family say when you told them you were gay? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rekkiem ForsakeN 18:56 4/4/2005	not told them yet [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Conscript classified 19:03 4/4/2005	I decided to do a business degree because of the prospects afterwards, however my main interest is history and I wish I had done that. I dont know what I want to do yet either, actually I want to leave Britain and try life in another more laid back European country. Where the talk is not about whining and moaning and the country is not involved in major issues as much. I've faniced a few jobs but I dont think i'm up for them. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rekkiem ForsakeN 19:06 4/4/2005	yeah conscript i considered moving abroad a few times, but i reckon (if the band plummets) it's better to get qualified as a sparks cos electricity is everywhere.. except maybe kazakhstan or something.. i mean i've got friends in quite a few countries and it's just a case of adjusting to the language (unless its US/AUS) and lifestyle really. this country is s*** sometimes. a rat race. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Conscript classified 19:08 4/4/2005	Think it would be a challenge to learn another language in the life-style stuff. I mean I think I could live in America but I'd want to stay "British" there. I find the aussies too arrogant. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dhh 19:08 4/4/2005	rekkiem ForsakeN 18:53 4/4/2005 Gotta be 5-11. Any younger I look like a paedo haha but 5-11 yr olds are ok ...? :P lol f*** you everyone know the paedos are into <5's [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rekkiem ForsakeN 19:09 4/4/2005	I find the aussies too stupid. but that can be good - they don't give a flying koala on a barbie about world politics so therefore things are more laid back for them. spent a month travelling over there was goddamn awesome to be fair, but i reckon i'm too uptight to live there :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Venomous BLACKLiGHT 19:11 4/4/2005	Good column, i was going to join the raf straight from school, but kept putting it off and ended up going college to do graphics, then when i leave i get a job with samsung that hs nothing to do with graphics i just spend most the time on irc. I look around at work and see the 30 year olds all doing the same as me on not very much money, and it aint where i wana be. MAYBE you have inspired me to join the raf when i can be arsed :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Divine 19:13 4/4/2005	I like this thread. I have thought for the past few years that a LARGE ammount of younger, more easily influenced kids that play cs, say from the 13-16 yr old mark have placed way, way, way too much faith in the whole 'play hard, go pro' scenario, and negleceted studies etc, and perhaps put a stunt into their personal growth. No matter what people think, GCSES etc do count. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	mebR 19:20 4/4/2005	i wanted to be in the RAF, but im long sighted, and then i broke my knee, so i cant now :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rain^ 2seXeh 2perfoRm 19:23 4/4/2005	i did gcses, then college rather than 6th form then finished college was gonna go to uni, but took a gap year got a job, and havnt left that job since and ive now got no plans to go to uni wotsoever. i love my job not because of wot i have to do init, but because of the ppl i work with. wouldnt u be happy if u got to work with ur best m8s? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Tru 19:32 4/4/2005	Nothing is gonna happen unless YOU MAKE IT HAPPEN. The start of a new journey starts by you doing something about it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Makaveli- feo 19:36 4/4/2005	A choice to take a computer science degree is probably THE worst decision in my life. I wish i had done a business degree, the course itself sucks and the male:female ratio is so high that it depresses me greatly. At this time I am only continuing with my degree because otherwise it would be a waste of 2 years and the trips to the business school make me feel so stupid for choosing such a silly degree. Alas, i cannot go back, so i may aswell make the most of what i have right now. Thanks for depressing me mike :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Tru 19:41 4/4/2005	the comments about computer science degree are making me think I should do sport science instead :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rekkiem ForsakeN 19:41 4/4/2005	oh s* i'm responsible for 3 quit computer science degrees and 2 career changes and this columns only been up a f*ing hour [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	seik 19:45 4/4/2005	anyone who thought they were interested in computer science coz they played cs is silly!!!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Makaveli- feo 19:46 4/4/2005	i was interested in computer science because i got a/b grades at a2 ... ;D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Grunt 19:50 4/4/2005	nah to old for a football playing career now, however looking at the usless tossers managing clubs in the premiership that haven't got a clue i reckon i should be appointed by someone. now if only premiership chairmen read ukt [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rekkiem ForsakeN 19:54 4/4/2005	grunt you refused to join s7g about a year ago (damn i love my memory) cos i was from manchester and supported united so if you were a manager without mancunian players... you'd be relegated straight away! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	brenje reSonance 20:05 4/4/2005	Your a manc?! Well in that case i take it back, the columns just 'OK'. :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	commentmaster 20:06 4/4/2005	its even worse if your kinda dumb and know it. but at the same time really dont want to live in a terrace house for the rest of my life worrying about bills - knowing full well thats exactly where im gonna be in 5 years time :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Seaweed 20:18 4/4/2005	did a levels took gap year spent all this year working, full time work although enjoyable reminded me that slacking is far better so m'off to be a snakebite drinking student c*** in the autumn [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 20:23 4/4/2005	Computing science is great if you truely love the stuff most people can't stand to do with computing. i.e. anal paperwork, programming mundane s* you couldn't care less about and so on If you don't want to do that day in and day out - and in some ways it's probably a good idea not to because a lot of that work is being outsourced to asian work forces now - then choose something else. You don't realise how demoralising a 9-5 job is when you suddenly realise you only have 4 weeks holiday a year instead of 2-3 times that like you did at school etc. You realise why the national days off sick rate is as high as it is. Especially if your company does not operate flexi time. So change to something that will keep your attention focused and pay fine, unless you're a money grubbing b** or somehow you have the strength of character to sit through something day after day, week after week, year after year. I just couldn't stand knowing that I had to be up at 6:30am and got home at 6:30pm, 12 hours of my life every weekday dedicated to a work I felt was ultimately pointless and exceedingly s*. 20 months of that and you'll all get the picture! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Grunt 20:46 4/4/2005	haha fergie is taking manu down to where they started from when he joined, did you enjoy the ride because its a freefall down the table from here [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fezemoN 21:09 4/4/2005	im doing a degree in computer science, dont really see what the problem is. if ur good at maths/physics and actually enjoy programming its alright. but 1 thing i have realised is that i dont wanna do programming/software engineering for the rest of my life. im living in germany at the moment doing programming 9-10 hours a day 5 days a week. it gets very tedious, i used to enjoy it at uni doing the odd assignment now and again. doing it all the time takes the enjoyment away completely. luckily i have my final year at uni still to do and i know im capable of getting a first class. even if you dont want to go into the area of ur degree when u leave it can do u know harm trying to get a decent grade. what ive decided to do with a friend is start a business, we have bounced a few pretty good ideas around for what we can do for it. what i dont want is to sit around in a cushy job earning s*** money wasting my life away doing nothing. if the business goes down the pan so be it, ill try again or then get a cushy job. at least i can say that ive tried. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Byatt 21:21 4/4/2005	Living a life in denial of the real world doing a 4 year mathematics degree. C'est la vie. Seriously though, undecideds, do Maths - it's great (it really is), you can go into almost any job with it (people seem to think that because you can do maths you can do ANYTHING :D), and get paid more than anyone else. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Divine 21:27 4/4/2005	been doing that for, erm, about 6 years now doz. :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	snk 22:56 4/4/2005	But there seems to be a certain gene associated with math, if you dont got it, you dont got it. I did maths at gcse and aced it, A level was whole different ball game. Im now at Uni studying a forensic Science degree, where ill go from here ive really not decided. I'm still in my first year, so i have 2 years to decide. PhD, work etc.. who knows.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Hixie 23:00 4/4/2005	Well, after the long summer holidays when my GCSE's have finally finished im starting college, doing a 'National Diploma in I.T' or something... but countless times i've wondered wether i should stay on to 6th form for a levels or go to college. I wasn't even sure to pick I.T but i have and im still not sure if i've made the right choice, and after reading all of this, its making me think even more. I've thought about journalism and also enjoy geography a lot but who knows, perhaps this course will show me if i really do want to do I.T [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Beast0 unicon.cs 23:04 4/4/2005	I do a lot of freelance design and animation from home, at times it can be such a fulfilling job and brilliant fun too. Other days, it can be the most mundane thing on the planet. The problem I feel is that I hate doing the same thing day in day out. I thought doing animation would be my ideal job, and for a while it was, but like with everything in my life, I seem to get bored of it after a few years and want something new. I am rather worried that this trend will carry on for the rest of my life, that I won't ever be happy no matter what job I am in as my boredom threshold is just crazy. This column has really made me think (tradgic that it takes a column from UKT to put my life into perspective) but I am certain I will wake up tomorrow, get that early morning feeling that I just can't be arsed to get out of bed and I will sort myself out tomorrow (think they call it 'being a lazy c***') and this moment I am having right now will just mean nothing. Oh well, cya at the 9-5 club -Dave [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Roar^ 23:09 4/4/2005	I tried A levels for a year, didn't really like them as it was like being at school again just without the fun. Now I'm at a new college trying AVCE ICT which, although more enjoyable and bareable than I found A levels to be, I'm not sure if what I'm learning is worth the 2 years of putting into it. Have to decide whether I want to carry on after my first year in this college or just quit and get a job and have money to go out every weekend and buy lots of new things. I really don't know what to do so if anyone wants to decide for me, flip a coin or something, go for it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Valar` The Anti-DoZ 23:32 4/4/2005	i sucked at school, it was too easy and bored me so i bunked off loads and got stoned a lot. i left with 5 gcse's over c. i tried a-levels twice and had the same problem so i went to college to do computer studies, which i loved because i actually enjoyed it, but had to leave for s*, s* reasons after a year. since then ive just gained experience in various jobs and worked at becoming good at what i do. im now in the position where i have a number of skills in wildly different areas - from welding and metal working to administration and standards to business management. if you're half bright enough then its easy to achieve a decent life for yourself, provided you put in the effort. experience still counts for a lot, as does a degree they both just take time as you mature. the point is is you can succeed, and you will, because you have to. just make sure you succeed by doing something you enjoy doing ;-) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rekkiem ForsakeN 23:36 4/4/2005	maybe what i'm trying to get to the bottom of is - what's really important? I mean, most of us on here are are probably lucky enough to have had a decent education, so what the f* is wrong? We could do anything we want but we don't know what we wanna do... What do you class as a good job? well paid? not for me... I will be on 40-50k a year (don't tell anyone) in 3 years if I stick with what i'm doing now, but quite frankly, I don't give a f*.. i'd rather be earning a relatively small amount, but be around people I care about. Or doing something I enjoy. What do I enjoy... oh god it's late i've had too much coffee and have... work tomorrow! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	tiz 00:23 5/4/2005	Ive always fancied learning a different language, so im moving to australia when ive dont my masters in software engineering. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 00:25 5/4/2005	I'm going to New Zealand in a few years hopefully ;-) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Valar` The Anti-DoZ 00:26 5/4/2005	yeah australians a b***h to learn ;-) a good analogy for life would be, "its not the winning that counts, its the taking part". enjoy what youve got kids. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	tiz 00:27 5/4/2005	Family + Friends + having a good time is important rekkiem. You only live once, be spontaneous [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	cpr 01:29 5/4/2005	Good Column. So from what it seems, not many people have enjoyed the result from the decisions they've made. Am currently finishing 2nd year of 6th form off and hoping to then take Bus Studies at Nott Trent University. I probably won't enjoy the course but it seems the 'right thing to do' so it gives me a relativley wide range of options to do once i finish. I thought about the Army and would love the challenge but i'll happily admit that i wouldn't like to be in it for the rest of my life and be in a potential life / death situation (i'd join infantry). Suppose what i'd idealy like to do is start my own business which has quite a good possibility of happening. My 'dreams' were to become a pro footballer i suppose, had the slightest chance but didn't take it, oh and there's also 2nd option of being a pornstar! (Drfl + Steven as my sidekicks ;)) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ogg^ #Harmless 02:35 5/4/2005	GCSE's at school (s*) -> A levels at 6th form (s*) -> Medicine @ Uni (having the best time of my life) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ogg^ #Harmless 02:35 5/4/2005	GCSE's at school (s*) -> A levels at 6th form (s*) -> Medicine @ Uni (having the best time of my life) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Montaver theb0g 03:39 5/4/2005	I was thinking about this alot conincidentally, as when I went home for a few days over easter alot of my friends who are a couple of years older than me are graduating this year. I asked them all what they wanted to do, and none of them seem to know really. One girl for example did an Art degree and is now becoming an air hostess. totally unrelated to her degree, but the way I see it, this is what makes the system so much better. You can do Law and not be a lawyer, simply because what that 3 years education has done to you as a person. A degree shows u have skillz, say for example you do philosphy business wants you because of you're reasoned argument abiltiy for example, so you're always 1 step ahead of the client. Thats why I'm doing a degree, for the skills, not because its going to give me a deep knowledge of specific moments in History, but because it will add to my repitoire as a person. What you want now isnt nescessarily gonna be right for you 3 years later. For the people who do know what they want to do, great, but im one of the many who doesnt, so my attitude is, do whatever the f*** you want, just make sure you get the best out of it, whatever it may be. You dont have to go to university tho, I just decided it would be the best thing for me to do (after a gap year of course :) ) I'm in my first year of History and Politics at Leeds and enjoying it alot. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dhh 07:16 5/4/2005	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 00:25 5/4/2005 I'm going to New Zealand in a few years hopefully ;-) Far too many spiders :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	exce classified 08:26 5/4/2005	New Zealand's not that bad (well wasn't while I was there, January), Melbourne however, was stupid, there were millions of them, everywhere, hiding in your shoes! Put me right off the place :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Valar` The Anti-DoZ 08:51 5/4/2005	nothing needs more than 4 legs. if it has, kill it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Valar` The Anti-DoZ 08:53 5/4/2005	the exception would be a very large table [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 09:26 5/4/2005	New Zealand has almost none of the poisonous critters than Australia does. The key word being almost, it has a few, but of the top most poisionous creatures in the world of just about every species, Australia plays host to the top 20 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dhh 09:57 5/4/2005	Still got spiders. Damn I hate spiders :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	AWOL 09:58 5/4/2005	Everyones different, different paths [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rekkiem ForsakeN 10:04 5/4/2005	I didn't see a single spider in melbourne... you must have been in the suburbs cos they don't go near the city centre! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	AWOL 10:12 5/4/2005	im petrified of spiders eww [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dr 10:52 5/4/2005	Great column! After school i went to college to study Computing and ADV art & design + Graphics, realised computing was a waste of my life after just a month or 2 and dropped it, finished my 2 years of art not having a clue what a wanted to do bored of the subject in general. Decided to just work for a year or so b4 i decide firmly what to do (heard that before..) then a couple of years later i fall into a job in an architects studio producing CAD layouts. Now a year later im an architectural designer for a building consultant with a good paypacket in a relaxed enviroment. I for one was very lucky getting in to what i do with very little education on the subject looking back if i were to pick a job id love to do, no way would i pick what im doing now. I guess because as said its 9-5 mon-fri same old same old but after the initial shock to be fair it aint so bad, although god knows how i`ll feel in a year or 2! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DooMeh Lite 11:15 5/4/2005	column spammer addison..... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DooMeh Lite 11:44 5/4/2005	Oh and New Zealand is a wonderful place, i may decide to move there as I have relatives there. All those people doing computer science and not enjoying it, from my point of view this has really helped: A little background first, I started computer science degree really enjoyed the first semester, the course was enjoyable, met new people etc. Second semester was harder, less interesting but still found it ok. Second year i hated it, increased workload, the lack of females on the course, all seemed to come to light and i wasnt enjoying it. Then last October i managed to find a part time programming job at a local software house. They are a quite small company but are extremely relaxed and are a small team of really friendly people. This job made my degree seem really pointless. I really enjoy coding but there is so much irrelevence in a Computer science degree to cover all bases. My advice would be to go out and look for a job and see if you like the industry first hand. If your in your seond year wait it out and try an industrial placement year if you have the opportunity. It might not be the industry you dont like, more likely the degree format which is too broad for most people. (all my own opinion and sorry for mistakes rushed this at work) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	mast3r 12:23 5/4/2005	Do what I do and lie your way through any situations (including what results you got) So far it seems to be working! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rekkiem ForsakeN 12:50 5/4/2005	more to come doomeh pal, more to come... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Valar` The Anti-DoZ 13:08 5/4/2005	tbh i blame noah. wtf did he let spiders on his boat? :\| [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	georgeda 13:13 5/4/2005	got bored in school, decided it was more fun to be a ck and f* around all the time instead of doing work.. still got A and 5 C's at GCSE (shows how easy it is even with little coursework and no revision). did a-levels.. once again.. chose to ck around/go pub/beach/smoke.. got D and E in Maths and Comp Sci... (n1 me) decided to do nothin and go on the dole (maybe not so smart, bored out my fing brains..) my friends have either gone on holiday or at uni.. GG WORLD. so i decided to apply for uni.. got in doin a foundation course.. starting this september.. know its not what i really want to do, nothin f**ing else to do.. all i can say is: uni > dead end jobs.. (i used to work in tesco.. suicide > tesco) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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