
Posted by Sunman^ at 17:05, 2/2/2005
A Governing body is it feasible or just plain fiction?
After obtaining some positive feedback with regards my last column, I thought I would try my hand at another.
In no way do I want to put the infamous del` through another one of my dreary eyed opening paragraphs, as I have felt his wrath once and do not wish too on a second occasion. :D So without further ado it’s onto the matter at hand.
I know a lot of comments are put forward mostly containing the authors beliefs to what is directly hindering the scene today, but do we ever see a solution to the proposed argument?
I’d like to talk about a governing body and how it may/may not be introduced as a coherent entity. Just like the last column, these views are my own and in now way do I expect you gullible people to indiscreetly start worshiping them :)
Why have a body.
Well simply put why not? I mean the benefits are there to be reeked. One body that makes the most important decisions the uk scene has to offer. No more rants on sites, no more tarnished reputations. If you have a problem you go directly to the body, which in turn will take note of your claim and review it. Above processing the claim and looking at the evidence the body’s rule is final. If you are not satisfied with the body’s decision then you can take it to an appeals commission who in turn will have a look at it and decide if an appeal is to be permitted. If an appeal is granted, as new evidence has been obtained since or some malarkey which has been overlooked has come up, then the body will have a look once again. On this ultimate decision the body’s finding is final.
How would we decide who gets on the commission?
Simply put, run a voting system on ukt.
Now some imminent questions spring to mind no doubt.
Who would take the time out of their busy schedule to do such a tedious task?
But I put it to you would it really be tedious?
Say you have a total of 5 impartial, well respected members in the uk scene whose job it is to review the evidence and on completion of said data submit it to a higher body in the form of a ‘judge’ so to speak, who then casts judgement on the ‘player’, ‘clan’ or ‘game’ at hand.
Then you have an appeals commission made up once again of say the same type of structure mentioned in the above paragraph. 5 more well respected, unbiased admins and 1 judge overlooking them all.
However, what’s in it for us the body?
Okay this is the biggest question at hand; I know most people wouldn’t have the time or dedication for this task at hand, not to mention do it on a ‘good Samaritan’ basis. So the only logical solution I could come up with was to make the many leagues the uk has to offer pay-to-play.
I know there is a lot of controversy on the subject as many teams feel
“what is the point in paying if numerous amounts of teams will cheat to get one over on us?”
But with this system in place, any suspicious results proven to be void of legitimate play would be over turned and the team and player cheating banned from that said league for good.
So, you would need to give the body some revenue mostly generated by say all online uk pay-to-pay leagues in order to entice them into doing a task as such.
Now I am not senile. (that remains to be seen) I know it is not an easy task at hand, Nor do I expect the above to be implemented into public and or pcw play. However, in a league format, I for one strongly believe that the above is a necessity.
In order for this to work, you would need 2 admins on each league game, one watching each team, updated anti-cheat software (all be it not 100% secure) but no harm whatsoever having it, cd springs to mind, and last but not least each player recording POV demos.
Any player(S) accused of being suspect and not having recorded a pov demo to prove otherwise will be putting his team in jeopardy, in the way of penalty points and or default loss in the previous obtained victory.
Think about this for one second, no teams b***hing repeatedly in the public eye for the world to see, asking for post matches to be turned over, instead it’s handled professionally and swiftly, It would propel the scene to a level never before attained in terms of professionalism and hopefully would catch on and stop the constant influx of cheats with regards to online league play.
Like I said just an Idea I’ve been dwelling on over the past week or so, something that could help the scene or something that could simply just trod along unnoticed like this column :)
I know I have not touched on every aspect, but I don’t want to drag this on any more. I have left so much out but with a bit of work it could be talked upon and maybe even compiled as a feasible project.
By the way I’d be happy to help in any way plausible with regards to the above implementation or something along the lines of it.
Good day to you all. SunZzZz
Comments
ForsakeN
11:25 3/2/2005
nice thoughts [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
12:04 3/2/2005
An easier way to eradicate cheats would be for everyone to unite and turn on valve and stop accepting their p*** poor programming. They have made so much money of CS and they still cant provide us with a cheat proof game. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
12:10 3/2/2005
Nice thoughts, but would never work for sooooo many reasons. Biased/uncaring/bribed admins for one reason, quality of hacks and indeed the quality of the hackers vastly improving (its one thing to use a hack, and another to use a hack repeatedly and not get caught) being another.
And, to be honest, paying to play a league, if there was the chance of winning money, paying £5-£20 per season of cs (if i was this way inclined) even with an admin watching my pov would not stop me from hacking.
There are more reasons (this ideas been flying around for ages), but it would take me ages to write em out.
plus im boring myself. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Sniper's Alley
12:53 3/2/2005
The governing body would have to hold powers over all the top league's entry systems to make it worthwhile.
A more sensible solution than managing cheats directly would be for them to leave that up to the leagues and community member's evidence, as it is done now, but to use this info to keep a record on which clans and players are considered dodgy, and to have them excluded from leagues and competitions. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
13:14 3/2/2005
Point Five-O
13:37 3/2/2005
13:51 3/2/2005
Chess is just a board game :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
13:57 3/2/2005
13:59 3/2/2005
i havnt read all the way through as i cba, so im just commenting in bits ive read
$0.02 [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
The Incarnate
14:09 3/2/2005
14:12 3/2/2005
ImaGine
16:54 3/2/2005
16:55 3/2/2005
1. less cheats - people dont want to get caught and lose their money they spent on the team.
2. possible more pressure for people to perform and consequentially to cheat to give their team the edge to get the cash prize.
3. a team of cheats, just out to win and get the cash, careuflly using esp to decide the best plan of attact (cough not mentioning any names, i'm sure people know who i'm refering to :)
just a thought.
also, i'd gladly be a judge :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
17:29 3/2/2005
17:32 3/2/2005
17:37 3/2/2005
17:47 3/2/2005
17:58 3/2/2005
Tiz, you don’t really know me so please in future don’t jump in by saying I am being sarcastic.
Btw! this is in no way a dig at you, just clearing up my previous post for people like you that thought it was a touch of sarcasm
:) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Lite
18:24 3/2/2005
18:35 3/2/2005
Keep that hamster on the treadmill up there and im sure you can make this work.
Genuinely hope it works out. ;)
-tiz [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
2seXeh 2perfoRm
19:17 3/2/2005
or checkers [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
quintessential
20:07 3/2/2005
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21:06 3/2/2005
21:14 3/2/2005
Prozac
22:34 3/2/2005
shrug.
ukterrorist was offered the oppurtunity to work with #team-uk about 6 months ago and I think it was a pity they didn't take up on it but it's about resources and time i guess. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
22:45 3/2/2005
Ripper (s***s and giggles)
Pyroux (see Rippers comment)
geo (previous hacker + cfg bastid)
Mangiacapra or ZaG (both been to CPL)
CSGN Stono or Obsidian (they run "best" league in country)
ESL|Mike (pushing UK cs tournaments as far as he can!) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Prozac
22:45 3/2/2005
xtreme9.uk
22:59 3/2/2005
23:27 3/2/2005
why pick geo just because he has cheated, im sure there are many more experienced cheaters out there.
Pyroux wud blatently be bias [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Anti-saviour of UKT
00:17 4/2/2005
00:53 4/2/2005
It was about 7 years ago, and most of the community just laughed and ignored them. I have to admit they became so insignificant that I cant even remember the name anymore. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
00:55 4/2/2005
03:35 4/2/2005
05:45 4/2/2005
Plus invizion - steambans is a bag of s*** dont disgrace the column by bringing it up ;)
easy [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
05:46 4/2/2005
Anti-saviour of UKT
06:32 4/2/2005
08:32 4/2/2005
all i can suggest is we all download
69 - youre my angel
and its all better [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
The Anti-DoZ
08:40 4/2/2005
without software houses changing their programming philosophy the problem which has plagued the last and current generations of games will continue into the next. simply put, the cheaters have won.
consider the position "eSports" (such a bent term) would be in if there never had been cheats. well structured and organised competitions attended by genuine fans of the game who'd practised and genuinely possessed skill. a community not overrun by paranoia and doubt with endless accusations and whines being flung from corner to corner. and i'm sure there'd be a larger collection of teams and players at the top of uk cs.
word. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
The Anti-DoZ
08:45 4/2/2005
due to the very nature of the windows multi-tasking (LOL) environment any external software used as an anti-cheat mechanism is ultimately hackable as the calls from one program to another can be intercepted (unencrypted and reencrypted if necessary) and re-routedwith very little effort. the same can be said for "well coded modular software" based around dynamic libraries.
hence all are ultimately doomed to failure. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
11:55 4/2/2005
13:07 4/2/2005
enamor
14:45 4/2/2005
15:02 4/2/2005
16:06 4/2/2005
They were hilarious, and what's funnier is that one of it's founder members, "Tango" was subsequently caught hacking his arse off :-)
Their problem was that they set themselves up without the consultation or support of the CS community. Any such governing body which Sunman is referring to may well be viable, but it would have to be appointed by the competitive UK CS community (i.e. you lot) and supported by them. Also, all the leagues and ladders would have to endorse it, meaning that there would be real penalties for clans & players who were caught cheating - expulsion from all the leagues, generally being ostracised by the whole community.
It's an all or nothing thing, "united we stand divided we fall" etc. but if it were implemented one day it would certainly be a step towards competitive CS being less of a total joke.
L.F. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
16:09 4/2/2005
feo
16:15 4/2/2005
16:22 4/2/2005
16:25 4/2/2005
16:46 4/2/2005
Any public body trying to do the same thing would probably have to be more open about the reasons for ban, with evidence and discussions being made public ones a ban is enforced. So that people can see form them selves.
The current random methods of trial in public, ie HLTV's and crappy AVI's have been shown time and again to be a complete joke, and completely unfair on all parties. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
17:48 4/2/2005
cs is probably too long in the tooth now - it's dying. but if it can be set up for cs, it shows a way forward for 'gaming', hopefully though i wont be a major part of it.
btw the reason no1 cares about steambans isnt coz its a bad idea in theory, just the admins have no authority with the major community and are generally very average in skill.. so they ban people unfairly.
a few names..
geo (knowledge + diff part of community)
stono (runs the most effective league in UK)
DK (another section of the community *wry smile*)
a Choke member (any who will be active enough to play the game)
Porter (irish minority)
ESL|Mike (ambition)
ctx|m0rf (from the 'new' highskilled community)
c4u|KritikaL (ex-cheat, different if unpopular side of the community)
ripper (haha)
representatives from ED + CB
representatives from top3 uk teams (4K, PCG, Landed) if possible
quite a few names, not sure if ne of them r feasible or whether im even correct.
gd luck if u do anything [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
18:38 4/2/2005
Odd no one has mentioned that jools character who now does stuff with iseries/multiplay should people be desperate enough to have an insider from the world of cheatage. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Anti-saviour of UKT
19:19 4/2/2005
trippz - he's an even semier decenter playerer who can give an alternative perspective!!!!
myers - because he likes to organise
bigbird - let's face it lads, he knows people who can walk all over geo in terms of cfg/cheats
Nobody else should get a look in!
[Edited by DoZ at 19:31 4/2/2005] [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Anti-saviour of UKT
19:20 4/2/2005
20:01 4/2/2005
feo
20:39 4/2/2005
Last Chance
00:21 5/2/2005
twisted Reality
00:34 5/2/2005
CS has been dying for 2 years now apparently, stop starting your arguments with that to try and make out u really dont love it as much as u do.
If you think someone is cheating finish the map and leave, just like Landed did and have people judge em from demos etc, or wait till they get on lan and completely tear em a new arsehole, which at a guess is what Landed r doing.
tanjo: did or does that joolz guy actually play much cs? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Super Breasts
02:10 5/2/2005
Joolz was a cs admin at the last multiplay lan. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Anti-saviour of UKT
02:28 5/2/2005
05:08 5/2/2005
twisted Reality
06:54 5/2/2005
11:24 5/2/2005
11:41 5/2/2005
fsk im quite happy to say cs is dying and back it up as some things HAVE changed in 2 years to make me think so..
simply, on a personal level the game has died for me coz i dont like 1.6 much, particularly a few pointless changes valve have made.
on top of that hl2 and cs:s have been released, the CPL will be using cs:s in the future, not cs1.6 and even now the community is beginning to split between those playing the new and old game.
for me, cs isnt what it used to be, but i'll admit its still alot better than most of the games on the market.... if i loved it as much as u think i do, then i might actually spend time playing it
on a sidenote AG is a much more fun game, however crap i am at it [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
11:57 5/2/2005
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twisted Reality
02:43 6/2/2005
Sniper's Alley
18:52 6/2/2005
18:59 6/2/2005
15:29 8/2/2005
who wants a governing body for online CS, theres no point, the game is flawed, riddled with cheaters, has lost its development backing (see: CS:S).
yes its a good game, but with such a small 'professional' team base, theres no need for a governing body. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
The Anti-DoZ
23:51 8/2/2005
there is a need for a governing body, or more properly, 'was'. unfortunately the whole things too late for cs 1.6, it's too late by a good few years in all honesty.
the only hope is for cs:source, but as thats s*** (apparently) and riddled with cheats already the chance is a slim one, yet there for the taking if someone (plural?) has the ability and knowhow.
online is the heart and soul of the game like it or not, LAN is elitist. at the end of the day it's down to the devlopment house to create a secure cheat free product, NOT the community. besides, any 3rd party anti-cheat software is liable to cracking, much as the software houses own.
commercial programmers ain't worth s*** cos they're too lazy and frankly don't give a toss. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
05:05 9/2/2005
Me personally, I think this sounds great, but I think the only way it would work properly would be if you got support from most of the major uk/euro leagues, valve and quakenet.
If players ran the risk of being removed from the community completely it would certainly put them off cheating i think. Sure, if you get caught, buy a new steam account, start again, but is it really that easy? Changing your name, pretending to be someone else, making a name for yourself again, and you'd have to forget about your existing "e-friends" due to the fact, if you speak and play with them, you WILL get found out.
Not something I'd be willing to risk. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
suiGeneris
19:18 9/2/2005
I AM ELIGIBLE TO CONTORTION WORD CONSTRUCT WITH SENTENCE ELABORATION CONSTRUE IN A CONCEITED DEMEANOUR BENJI????? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Infinity-eSports
15:57 11/2/2005
I mean the benefits are there to be reeked
it's reeped. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
suiGeneris
02:06 13/2/2005