
Posted by Sunman^ at 13:51, 26/1/2005
A community engulfed in class? Or Stuck in a void?
Firstly I would like to say hi to those that know me and hi to those that don’t. I don’t have much time for this game as of recent occurrences in my life, but that said you didn’t come here to read a life story and if you did then frankly you need help.
Day in and day out I visit this site and have the unequivocal misfortune of reading some of the dreary eyed responses to monotonous columns.
Most columns seem to be carbon copy’s of past and present. I thought I would try and write something covering all aspects of the spectrum and provide some informative reading whilst doing so. (here’s hoping)
Now onto the momentous task at hand, I would just like to say that the opinions expressed in this article are that of my own, I don’t expect many or any of you to hold your heart on your sleeve as far as they are concerned. What I would like/hope for is some adult conversation or unbiased views after this atrocity, other wise know as a column.
A Gulf In Class.
People talk consistently about the Hierarchy Tiers if you will of the uk cs scene, those evidently being
1# 4K, PCgamer.
2# Lastchance, Landed.cs
3# ctx, 2s2p, lanimals, scee
Forgive me if I have left any respective clans out, just keep in mind this is a brief synopsis and It’s difficult to have it completely iron clad.
The point I am trying to make is that for a long time now at least 1.5 years or about, these tiers have not changed, apart from the folding of I-es. But yet you hear people say that “the skill gap is closing” that for the most part has yet to be proven. Bar 2 results which I can think of. C4u taking pcgamer at i19 and wolf beating 4k to reach eswc no other lower tier teams have come close. Look at the recent cpl quals landed had a poor showing, PCgamer didn’t even show (no fault of there own) and the rest of the lower tier teams were not even invited. If you cant even get invited how do they expect to get the experience that is essential in propelling them to the pinnacle of uk and world gaming.
It seems that the answer lies in sponsorships and contacts. Would landed.cs really have been invited to the recent cpl quals if they did not have the financial backing of the landed-lan crew that and or the good relations with gamefrontier after hosting the previous Intel events? Never mind hold such a high seed. That is not a dig at landed simply something to ponder on. Would omg! Still be omg! If the deal with team-amd gamer had not been advertised and they were not so lucky to pick it up, or would their fate be sealed just like that of I-es who lacked the financial backing to take their team to higher ground.
It seems to me that with the exception of 4K, Sponsorship has been reluctant to come to the aid of uk teams which is recognizable in AMD pulling out of the aforementioned sponsorship with the then TAG. Bar omg! Getting the sponsorship which to me was rather dubious, as it was more of a plug on pcgamer and amd’s behalf with regards to advertising, has any other team gained sponsorship?
Would any other team be worthy of it? I see a lot of people talking tripe in the form of “give it to c4u they are better than 4K”, To be quite frank if I were Intel and seen the mouthy kids that c4u had all be it if they were or were not better players than 4K. I would be extremely hesitant to conduct any relations with them whatsoever. Its about the way the team carries themselves and represents the sponsor just as much as it has to do with skill level, and until the likes of ctx can comprehend this then I see no bright future for the 2nd and or 3rd tier teams that make up the competitive uk scene, never mind even getting close to filling the gulf in class with regard to skill and maturity.
Stuck in a void
Are we really going anywhere at all? Do we have the motivation to do anything about it.? I’m not a player taking the world by storm nor do I delude myself into thinking I am. However some players that I feel need to be named have serious misconceptions about how to achieve the goals set by their ‘fools paradise’ if you will of a mind. And inevitably those players actions set the community back a long way, but also sets bad examples for the influx of young players coming through.
Look at kritikal. No doubt the lad had skill when it came to the game but was he really all there when it came to the upstairs department? Sadly no. The lad was a burger short of a happy meal.
He tried to elevate his team to a world status but bar disgracing himself with his all too frequent showing of immaturity, cheating online in a prestigious match and getting banned out of clanbase by having an already banned player play for them in a match. Also not to mention making 4Kings never want to play in an online comp with regards to uk opposition, what has he or his team done for the uk? Yet people wanted them to be given sponsorship, TAG’s to be exact, directly after i19. Yes folks this is the type of player that despite all of the above b0sh decided to give a chance to, and what does he do throw it back in his face. An egotistical kid once again gets the limelight, only to throw it back in the community’s face. Yes folks the future looks bright.
Now brings me to another person I feel I need to mention: realf1re. Now this kid is warped when it comes to the world of cs. Not only did he once scribble 4K^Realf1re onto a college desk (thanks ubiquity for letting us know that) He gets the best known cheaters to play with him online “geo” and then kicks him after his lan performance. So what those he do then? Oh! He goes and recruits more cheating retards in the form of v1x.
Leezer had the best column up here in ages. The one saying “Caution! These guys cheat” How or why it was removed I really don’t know. It had 2 demo’s the one versus disturbed + leezer on a non cd server and one versus ctx on a cd server with admin, Anyone looking at it could see their skill level dramatically decreased in the form of losing their 6th sense when it came to the 2nd game.
Sadly the two aforementioned names have one good feature goings for them, the fact that they want to win, but going about it any means is not the way to do it.
However we the community are partly to blame. By taking down leezer’s column what message were we portraying to the rest of the world and the up and coming players? That it’s okay to cheat? That when you do so and it’s shown on the uk’s most respected cs website that we turn a blind eye. Is it any wonder more and more kids want to cheat to get a name for themselves with the botched messages we seem to deliver to them.
Sadly until we take a dramatic stance in the form of banning the cheats from all online play, and for good. Not like clanbase who let c4u in numerous times, or like csgn who kicked carbine for cheating and then let in c4u. ah the irony.
Not to mention carbine were acquitted. Ban the cheats for good, or else the scene will not be going anywhere, bar, round and round in a vicious circle.
This article has been “KIND” of dragging on quite a bit now and for that I am sorry. I hope you can forgive my semi-rhetoric column. I would have also Liked to touch on the following aspects “Fulfilling our potential” and “is it simply a dying genre” Perhaps the 2 above could be discussed with regards to the comments.
On a side note towards Kritikal and Realf1re it wasn’t a flame as such, just trying to show the people who are holding the scene back. I’m sure there is hundreds more out there.
Happy flaming.
Comments
Da boss
Inspired Gaming
15:56 26/1/2005
16:01 26/1/2005
16:03 26/1/2005
16:05 26/1/2005
Warped Reality
16:05 26/1/2005
intensiveSports
16:11 26/1/2005
na i hear ya, the UK CS community is held back alot by small p00 LAN compeitions offering mouse mats/headsets which i'm sure any working person owns already
if we were able to enjoy big LAN events with big prizes able enough to attract UK best and even encourage foreign teams to participate i'm pretty sure the community spirit between teams would improve as the eSociety would become less faceless.
the reputations of the fair clans/players would be far better established and known AND i'm sure we'd see alot less of the 'pro-bug' / 'online-heroism'
/$0.02 [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
16:15 26/1/2005
Don't get me wrong it p***es me off as well but don't wonder why they put making money before gamers and don't expect things to change :o [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
16:17 26/1/2005
i agree with what your saying, although i didnt get the underlying point, if there was one :P but i agree with it all! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
16:25 26/1/2005
But who cares eh? the replies and wotnot make this site fun to read, good stuff keep it up! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ForsakeN
16:46 26/1/2005
mebR
16:17 26/1/2005 sunman^ said something intelligent? :D
didnt think you had it in ya ;))
more like this please. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
16:48 26/1/2005
rofl nice 1
As for cb v cheating things have changed and are likely to change drastically soon.The 1st shot across the bows was banning natu and Dsky. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Rush!
17:02 26/1/2005
17:11 26/1/2005
The annoying thing is you will probably get about 100 posts from people saying it’s a good idea, but when a group of people try and push the UK cs community forward the same people will flame it with the usual childish and idiotic comments. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ImaGine
17:18 26/1/2005
UK gaming was way behind the likes of sweden and co. for years, it's not easy to catch up in a short period of time. But it's geting there. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
17:24 26/1/2005
Lans should have the picture of all these little s*** bags so when you sign into a LAN you can see a nice polaroid of Kritikal's ugly mug and natu and Dsky and have a thing similar to steam bans locking the trouble makers out of premier events.... making it pointless for them to try and achieve anything, due to the fact instead of getting p***ed on buckfast at lans they'll be turned away. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
17:25 26/1/2005
17:32 26/1/2005
Gaming will only ever become a recogised sport when it's played by the older, mature players .... because the community is riddled with cheaters, full of immature & racist f***wits this game won't get much bigger than it already is. Fair enough prize money increases, more and more lan tournaments are held but in all honesty it's not making the gaming community any bigger or helping to apeal to a wider population, if anything the introduction of source is killing this game you love soo god damn much!
To be honest I can't ever see gaming becoming a big sport or nationally recognised, most of us move on from cs and in some circumstances competitive gaming because the majority realise theres more to life than sitting in front of a computer. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
17:43 26/1/2005
17:51 26/1/2005
feo
17:54 26/1/2005
The shallowness of some people in this comunity is also quite outstanding.Think back when you last went to a LAN event and remember who you took time out to get to know there.I bet you didnt take time out to go talk to [uk2]MR UNKNOWN(CL) now did you i bet you instantly went to get to know the ppl that are good at the game and can further your own circles of influence in the scene.Its quite pathetic that the vast majority of people wont actually even bother to get to know someone just because they dont cut it at CS.I know there are a fair few people out there that dont fall into this norm but they are a minority and when your sat there asking yourself "why do landed.cs get so much attention yet they havnt done nothing yet" or "why are SCEE as respected in the comunity like no other team yet they dont really have a long list of achievments" its because their attitude is what makes them and they all know that CS is just a small part of what makes them who they really are. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
17:55 26/1/2005
the demonic radicals
18:03 26/1/2005
oh dear.......... sad b****** [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Collective
18:32 26/1/2005
A phrase that will go down in history lol good column [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
theb0g
18:46 26/1/2005
19:08 26/1/2005
19:31 26/1/2005
Well-written column but it still won't change anything. The UK scene will never go anywhere.
When people say about the three tiers of teams within the UK, it makes me wonder about the other main countries involved with CS.
When you look at Denmark they have one top 10 in the world team, The Titans. Apart from TT, there’s the likes of Asylum who are still yet to achieve anything.
Germany are the same, Mouz as a top 10 clan (just) and the likes of attax gradually making something of them selves.
Finland has two, DSky and Astralasis (sp?) but no other well-known teams that i can think of.
There are a few countries that have multiple top teams such as the US and Sweden; not surprising from the US though due to the size of the country itself and Sweden, well they just seem to be in a different kettle of fish with the amount of top teams they produce. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
19:33 26/1/2005
19:59 26/1/2005
The sooner most people realise that they're never going anywhere near the CPL finals no matter how hard they try, the sooner the "community" settles down and learns to enjoy the current level of competition we have. And who knows, maybe with the stability and friendliness that'll produce, maybe they just might become better players through proper practice? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
20:20 26/1/2005
Rage
20:33 26/1/2005
It's something everyone has to get used to, it's why a classes in schools need teachers, they're not going to teach themselves. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
22:04 26/1/2005
23:14 26/1/2005
00:34 27/1/2005
00:49 27/1/2005
twisted Reality
01:25 27/1/2005
would love to see it, impossible to do - one cheat banned - another will take his place -
would be nice however to see no more major news posts covering things these kids get up too - cos most of us dont care, we all know who they are - just refuse to play them. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Landed
01:48 27/1/2005
Landed
01:48 27/1/2005
02:55 27/1/2005
03:11 27/1/2005
03:14 27/1/2005
07:26 27/1/2005
Sniper's Alley
08:11 27/1/2005
However, for christs sake, the introductory paragraphs were painful to read! You obviously have a good vocabulary but rein it in! Reminds me of how I used to write when I was at school.
Thankfully you write in more concise, normal English after the introduction, and a decent read - but you'll look back on writing like that second paragraph in a few years and feel oh so embarassed.
Keep up the effort though, with practice I think you'll become a wordsmith as accomplished as the likes of DoZ and Valar, you clearly have a natural talent for essay structure and setence composition.
For me this column is a case study for excellent English despite frequent punctuation errors and typos, and anyone who thinks I criticise purely because of them should read this and take note. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
08:52 27/1/2005
08:52 27/1/2005
Anti-saviour of UKT
11:08 27/1/2005
11:37 27/1/2005
intensiveSports
11:43 27/1/2005
19:59 26/1/2005
naw i was just trying to address the imbalance of online competition to onlan compeition in the UK and the fact that the LAN competitions we do have are for the most part small and go unnoticed be most of the community (UK CS players)
i do agree however that an increase in (online) competitions will no doubt increase the amount of online heroics [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Anti-saviour of UKT
11:44 27/1/2005
12:26 27/1/2005
Every few weeks or maybe once a month UKT gets another person writing a long, well worded and often all round good column on the future of the UKCS scene! I often read all of them and agree with what the writier has to say! The UKCS scene has too many people wanting change but no one actually doing anything! Lets take UKT as an example, the biggest UKCS website yet I have seen no major updates for months!
What a waste?
Well if I was to code and setup a new CS website with more features would you guys be willing to accept something new or would that site get flamed as most of your would stay loyal to UKT.
I think many people out there want change but are too scared to actually get up and do something about it.
/end ramble [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Da boss
Inspired Gaming
12:29 27/1/2005
12:37 27/1/2005
how on earth can you put PCG on the same tier as 4k? same goes for lc and landed, and ctx with 2s2p lanimals and scee (lol).
if anything its;
#1 4k
#2 pcgamer lc calibre ctx
#3 landed
#4 noone actually cares as these teams will not win more than 1 even in their entire career.
as for realfire, i agree he is a nob, but his heart is in the right place and thats the main thing i spose.
i'm sure v1x will be happy being put in the same boat as me (ul daz :( )
with regards to c4u, they WOULD be #2 in the UK easily if they actually would of put the effort into CS instead of being complete and utter c**ks to the majority of the uk cs scene.. shame for everyone.
and as someone said further up, no big lans (sorry i-series but ur s***), no GOOD frequent lans (sorry unicon), hurts the scene far more than the cheaters etc ever have. but of course you people are too stuck up to actually realise this and blame the lack of good cs in the UK on each other rather than setting about trying to change it.
(end of geo.rant) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Specster
13:03 27/1/2005
13:25 27/1/2005
most people saw the column and thats what i wanted :> [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
13:33 27/1/2005
intensiveSports
13:53 27/1/2005
14:14 27/1/2005
Sniper's Alley
14:31 27/1/2005
Now though I'd like to see UKT branching out into other games and other topics, as a community site, if it is the case that CS is a dieing game - we don't want UKT to be a dieing site. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Da boss
Inspired Gaming
15:57 27/1/2005
UKT will NEVER branch out into other games, it's a CS site so it covers CS. End of story. We do/can however have sister sites covering other games, there have in the past been sister sites covering TFC, CoD and DoD for example. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
16:06 27/1/2005
:sadface: [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
intensiveSports
16:13 27/1/2005
#2 lc
#3 ctx, landed
#4 the rest [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
17:08 27/1/2005
17:12 27/1/2005
Stan^ I feel bereaved that you didn't complement my column, all those late nights playing ut2k4 with charleh accounted for nothing:)
On a side note just one thing I would like to say to 'geo'
The column in essence was rushed hence,
A Gulf In Class.
People talk consistently about the Hierarchy Tiers if you will of the uk cs scene, those evidently being
1# 4K, PCgamer.
2# Lastchance, Landed.cs
3# ctx, 2s2p, lanimals, scee
Just a shout out to all the lads who I pld with while I was in apu! not even sure if they are still going?
Jilo, dh, ste, punt and gooz. Were good times. Sorry I left so abruptly but I'm sure you can understand why I had to do so. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Sniper's Alley
17:30 27/1/2005
Da boss
Inspired Gaming
18:43 27/1/2005
20:25 27/1/2005
21:23 27/1/2005
00:59 28/1/2005
Anti-saviour of UKT
09:10 28/1/2005
quintessential
10:47 28/1/2005
apu sorta frinded to a halt when u left.
hope everythings sound, cya soon [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate
11:51 28/1/2005
haha and the orders is oh so wrong on what evidence??
oh none, just your opinion. get over yourself ctx you fkin idiots. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
17:12 28/1/2005
17:33 28/1/2005
ctx rnt on PCG, lc or calibre's level as they havnt been at a high level v long..
but theyr the best 'new' team the uk has to offer so give them a chance, id place them slightly lower than the aforementioned teams though.
SCEE arent a top team, nor are Choke.. theyr a different category for people who are very good gamers in their own right but dont care enough to play the game regularly and get good (in an online context).. i respect them more than any other teams [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
22:28 28/1/2005
Where have u been?
"geo cheats" never! :PPP
<3 <3 [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
22:28 28/1/2005
Where have u been?
"geo cheats" never! :PPP
<3 <3 [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
23:24 28/1/2005
Yea i fully agree with this article, cheaters who play in pcws n league matches r fkin rehabs etc as sed above.
<3 sun^ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Croydon
04:10 29/1/2005
15:08 30/1/2005
I would say only 4k are a cut above the rest..then theres a few teams that are slightly better than the rest pcg etc..but i still say that the difference aint much to shout about..and if any of these 'tier 3' teams praccyed hard enough they could beat these others..and so could any other team out there who put the effort in :D:D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
17:36 30/1/2005
Judean People's Front
16:27 31/1/2005
leave real alone he recruits cheats maybe but some cheats have skill too so until they cheat u give them the benefit of the doubt....unless its geo or krit obviously :P
I hink this faith is hte onyl way to recruit anyone in this day and age of CS.
nice column
I do think that better prizes will bring out the best in players. Most ppl will spend most of their money getting their PC good enough to play an asshat game as CS is (in regards to performance affecting recoil which gets greater every release in a corporate whore way). They need headphones because CS on speakers is lacking without really loud 5.1 or something :/
I use a cloth mousemat which costs me a quid for 2 and find exclusive mats like giganta ray quite awkward to play on (the ray having a rough plastic feel) with an optical and that is the tool of choice for gamers and has been since I bought the MS Intellieye v1.0 when it was released back with CS beta 5.2.
Sponsorship needs to come with money equivalent to being on the dole minimum I think to give those unemployed/student gamers a reason to invest their time without the trouble of actively looking for work. It would be great to go into your local jobcentre and hear...
"So Mr.Zero have you done any work in the last two weeks?"
"Why yes I have a new job as part of a semi-professional e-sports team"
Praises to the guy who used his lottery money to pay his clanm8's for their time practising. An inspirational move. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
09:43 2/2/2005