Why Can't We Be Colour Blind?

Another day passes as I sit at my machine juggling Counter-Strike, emails and IRC within my taskbar. As I flick through my channels I see what's being said by certain members in the CS community talking about other members who are regarded to be in the more skilled category of CS players. I can't get my head around why they are not allowed to idle in a certain channel. It's not because they have a bad attitude or are unsociable in any way; it's simply because of their skin colour.

Jokes about Black/Indian people (other categories, but these being the main ones) are rampant in everyday life, and it's only natural to shrug them off and not think of them as anything more than a joke. But what happens when you know a person in the channel is the butt of the joke and gets really offended by them? I myself have witnessed this first hand, verbal assaults on a person's skin tone and ways of life, attempting to degrade that person to feeling lower than another person simply for the entertainment of everyone else. This is known to be one of the worst methods of abuse as it can effect a person in the long term.

I was writing an end of year project on bullying and racism in the workplace, and through the research that I did, I came to realise that racism on IRC/Counter-Strike servers does infact walk hand in hand with that of which I had studied for uni. Little do people know that the effects racism has on people can lead to such symptoms as loss of confidence, loss of self-esteem, lack of motivation, aggression, acute anxiety, panic attacks, anger and as far fetched as it sounds, murderous thoughts. They then lead onto depression and in extreme cases, suicidal thoughts.

Naturally as you sit in your chair reading this you are thinking 'Ah, what a load of tripe, it's only a joke'. Well then sit back and think about the situation if it was in reverse. Imagine a 10:1 ratio of people just having a go at you because, for example, you are the best CS player in the world, then at CPL you get a -10/13 score. Sure you would see the funny side of it, but if that joke kept on being thrown in your face day in day out, it would start to get very annoying. Chances are you would try retaliate, thus giving other people more ammunition and reason to keep dragging it up.

I myself enjoyed Counter-Strike because it gave me the experience to talk to people who I don't know what they look like, where they come from and who they are with. Hopping onto a CS server with all your friends or clan, not knowing their skin colour and just playing the game with the person because you enjoy their company. Now I find it harder and harder to enjoy knowing that when a racist joke is being said I have to act quick in trying to stop this from going any further, simply because I don't like seeing my friends being at the end of these sad peoples jokes.

I was reading an article on cricket (of all sports), and when a spectator was asked about ethnic minorities he said "I feel that the sport has improved tremendously with encouraging and allowing more people to join the British clubs", he also compared it to football "I believe that there is a lot of room for improvement and that the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) and Football Association aren’t doing anything about Asians being able to play in the England teams. Racism hasn’t been wiped out of football but the cricket boards act like it has from cricket". Is it possible that these people who are saying these comments don't realise that they are the source of racism in our Counter-Strike and IRC servers? These players just keep plucking away at comments which can infact cause the rest of the community, like sheep, to think the same. I myself don't find comments as such on IRC funny at all. When I see comments like this being said, I simply change my channel for the simple fact that I don't want to be known to be one of these people. If I play a mix with someone on the team who is spurting out racist comments in team talk, I make it my duty not to talk to them.

As a devoted godfather to a half-cast niece, every time I see racist comments being made in a Counter-Strike server it makes me think of her. I sometimes actually wonder what her life will be like in the near future as she walks into school. Will she get shunned by the other kids simply because of her skin colour? What if she experiences the emotions and such that were explained in the paragraph above? No matter what way you look at it- be it your friends, family, online friends or in my case, my god-daughter, it's hard not to worry about how they are feeling.

At one stage in your life you will experience an event that will emotionally scar you and turn you away from that certain aspect of your life. Why be the root of someone's problems when you should really be there to help them. Just because you don't know that person, and they have a tone to their skin unlike yours, doesn't mean you have to try make their life harder. For all you know they could go on to create a cure for the common cold, or be that person that saves your life when your house sets on fire. God created everyone equal. Every man, woman and child has a right to enjoy life to the fullest.

Upon research, I came across an column written by a member of the UKT community who was commenting on exactly what this article is about. Here's a snip:

"A more serious (in my view) showing of immaturity, is the recent over-use of comments such as 'newjew'.
I personally am not religious, an atheist, but I find that the use of these comments, in a harsh and insulting way, is just blatant racism, and I frown upon it. The use of comments such as these in an insulting manner, just shows how immature many people are, and their lack of respect for other people's feelings. Their usual response when I question their use of words, is something along the lines of "Oh, but he’s not a Jew so it doesn’t matter" or "I’m only kidding, jeez".
There isn't much one can do about the use of other peoples language, apart from banning them from a channel in IRC, or banning from a server in Counter-Strike, but I hope that one day they will say 'newjew' or 'newgro' without thinking, and in real life, will get a beating- for lack of a better word."

The fact that the people making these comments are generally 16-25 year olds, and generally say it with people backing them, just goes to show how mature they really are. Their attempts to be funny in the only way they know how is simply bullying. The fact is, if they let a comment like 'jew' or 'nigger' slip, the person on the receiving end of the comment would have to react in a certain way simply to gain back their dignity. You don't know what's going on in that persons head. Depending on the persons feelings, the retaliation can range from being ignored, have a comment said back, a thump in the nose or a savage beating.

On that note I will tell you about my god-daughters father. He moved into this country because he fell in love with my sister. They were going out for 4 years when they decided to have a baby. He is the most honest and loyal person I know. He works a staggering 17 hours a day, Monday through to Saturday as a bouncer. Every night he has to refuse a customer from coming into a club simply because they are in a very bad state. And every night he gets told to go home to his own country. Other nights these people take out a knife on him. Little do these people know, a bouncer has the right to throw them to the ground and have him arrested for a verbal comment. A verbal attack can premeditate a fight, and a bouncers job is to stop that from happening. Instead of doing so, he ignores the comments, and let's the person walk away thinking they are all high and mighty. Little does the person who said those comments know, the people in the queue waiting to get in think he's a muppet for even suggesting a comment as such to the bouncer. I'm 99% sure this is the same in the Counter-Strike community. I know this is how I think when I see a racist comment being made. Sure someone may think they are funny, and the poster gets fuel to continue, saying these comments for other people's reactions. Never the less, I'm sure the majority of the community think that this person is very sad, as the people humouring him have relations or friends that are coloured, but refuse to say so.

Your views on others and ways of expressing them amongst people should always be how you want yourself to be treated. If you want a fair treatment, give what you want to get. I'm not saying that you have to go and change your lifestyle or ways of life - that's your own choice. At least try keep your views on ones skin colour to yourself, because in the long run, the only person that you are making a fool of is you.

Comments

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Gamers Evolved
09:26 17/3/2004
v.interesting piece. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Anisty-
Prozac
11:27 17/3/2004
yeh im seeing far too much of this in irc recently.... some people do it to joke with their friends but i've seen that turn into 2 hour long chains of racist dribble and it's just not needed. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Karborn
11:32 17/3/2004
shoot racism out of cs! nice column... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Sticklad
11:37 17/3/2004
I remember watching Bowling for Columbine, great film, and shows that it's people that are afraid that say these things. nice piece. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Zorro-
Clan [F]
11:38 17/3/2004
I can't get my head around why they are not allowed to idle in a certain channel. It's not because they have a bad attitude or are unsociable in any way; it's simply because of their skin colour.
I never experienced such a thing ever on IRC, however if thats true its quite shocking and people would seriously have to think about what they are doing, as that would be just pathetic. v Good article to whoever who wrote it.
Its ok to try to discriminate dutchies though ;P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Hairy
Rush!
11:40 17/3/2004
Nice read. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Montaver
theb0g
11:40 17/3/2004
I'm not condoning racism here, but you have to see what irc is. Its always been full of mouthy people verbaly abusing each other, due to the simple fact there alot of immaturity in the CS community. However, I think the fact you realise they are stupid and immature, should surely mean their easy to ignore? People type abuse on irc because its easy, and there are no repurcussions.

I guaruntee you, if you went to a LAN involving many UK CS'ers, you wouldnt hear any racism, and if u did, it wouldnt be directed at anyone in particular. The actual number of hardened racists in the community is nothing, obviously I cant prove that, but you have to look at it perspectively, its the internet, not real life. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Undone^
ForsakeN
12:01 17/3/2004
tottally agreed with mont.
i dont understand why word "jew" is being used to much now, about a year ago no one said it. but then it was "gay" or "f****t".
Sometimes even if its not directed at you, you can still take racist comments to heart if only people would think about what they are saying. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Weebull
12:05 17/3/2004
Kind of what Mont said here. In real life, a person insults another because they dislike them, however most of the people on the internet insult others purely to p*** them off and get a cheap giggle. The more you let the racism p*** you off, the more you fall into the trap. Ignore it.

Oh, and I also think you're being far too PC about it. Of all the "racism" I read on IRC or here, I've never heard the person on the other end seriously get offended by it. There's racism, and then there's just stupid people having a laugh with each other. :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Stevenson
12:08 17/3/2004
very good read [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Horus^
12:09 17/3/2004
v.nice to whomever wrote this i can back you up 100%, i really would like to be able to sit in an' irc channel without havign to read bulls*** racism im usually 1 of the people that react and tell them to stfu i cant help it, i got pakistani family so yeah it really gets to me and annoys me (im white and im british) but that means nothing simply because i care about people and feel that racism should stop and should stop NOW. If you dont like what i've said i really dont care its my visions on it and i will stick by it. Also mont this maybe the internet but racism STILL affects people and if the internet isn't real life why are there real people on the end of the computers? anyway enough from me or ill end up writing a colum. Nice colum again hopefully people recognise and actually think before they use there hands *we can only hope*

Peace. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Horus^
12:11 17/3/2004
FFS how can people have a laugh at using racist comments? pathetic purely pathetic. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Domje
12:28 17/3/2004
you mean mixed race, half-cast is a racist term buddy. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
logik
piranhas
12:33 17/3/2004
internet isn't real life? What do you mean?!!!! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Horus^
12:38 17/3/2004
dbz @ removed posting rights. *please :D* [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
FLOOiD
12:39 17/3/2004
yawn this is the net you need a reality check. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
idrinkpaint
12:39 17/3/2004
Nice article. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Antmoo
12:40 17/3/2004
sadly everything said in the article is true, give you brother in-law a pat on the back from me because it sounds like he's dealing with people's retardedness in a good way. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
idrinkpaint
12:41 17/3/2004
So just coz it's the internet means its acceptable to be racist?! I think its you who needs the reality check..Thats like saying it's ok to stalk or abuse people over the internet because "it's not real life". Wake up and face it, its f***ing wrong to be racist. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
FELLA
12:42 17/3/2004
"I remember watching Bowling for Columbine, great film, and shows that it's people that are afraid that say these things"

Watch the film again, Charlton Heston tooled up doesn't strike me as being afraid !!!... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
crim
12:49 17/3/2004
I recall being at a lan and using the word 'thats gay' and then getting the most bizzare look off three guys who were in the same clan.

Later on they explained to me that some people would take great offence in the word and that despite it being a word it can be offensive... in the same way that people see the word f***, s*** and so on offensive.

Where do we draw the line at what is a word and what is offensive? Personally, I think a lot of people are just too naive to realise the reprecussions (*sp) of their words. I for one didn't realise it when I said it and sometimes without thinking I just use the word from habbit - and bad habbit I admit. I'm not homophobic, racist or mean to be rude - yet sometimes people say things without realising it to be offensive.

Yet if my grandmother tells me not to use the f word... I wont change my habbit based on that because so many people also do it and its something which is very difficult to change unless you hang around different people.

What I'm trying to say - very badly - is some people say things without realising how others can take it - and if they do, then why not just msg them or pull them aside at a lan and in an adult like manner say you were offended and for what reason. But really... don't expect people to change becuase you feel they should, some people are far too selfish to ever change their ways.

Just to end the note, I'm half chinese and english and I've taken a fair bit of stick from both sides over being half... and its not fair or right, but at the end of the day it has made me a far greater person - from being the kid upset in the playground @ 12 years old to the kid saying, I'm better than to listen to your childish opinion.

:x <3 <3 <3 [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Antmoo
12:50 17/3/2004
Also, #ukterrorist is a nice place to chat :) I've only ever seen 1 racist comment in there and the person who said it was out in seconds. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Weebull
12:58 17/3/2004
Michael Moore is a biased opinionated dick, and I feel ashamed to think we have similar political views. :/ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Weebull
12:59 17/3/2004
Oh, and I didn't say Racism was ok Horus, just that it's there.
It's also a hell of a lot easier to ignore someone on IRC than it is in real life. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
David Smith
Infinity-eSports
13:06 17/3/2004
It is a sad fact that in this day and age the same problems with racism still exist. A lot of my friends are born and bread in the 'United' Kingdom but I still hear racist comments being made against them.

I wish I had the strength of restraint my friends have when it comes to racism, because some how they carry on regardless of what is said against them, managing to keep their heads-up with dignity and pride and carry on about their lives.

I have visited India, Jamaica, Barbados and South Africa (to name a few places) and have only ever been made welcome by the people who live there. They don't call me whitey or laugh at the colour of my skin; they don't attack me physically or verbally. What is it with the UK and racism?

Can't we all just get along as human beings for once!

-Dave.

P.S. Why did the author wish to remain nameless? [ Score: 3, informative | Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Montaver
theb0g
13:08 17/3/2004
idrinkpaint, was the first line of my comment not "I do not condone racsim" .. ?
Yes, racism in any shape or form is narrowminded and unesscesary, but there are alot more important things to get concerned about, as when it comes down to it, a couple of kids on INTERNET RELAY CHAT, chatting s*** is not really a major issue. If it really upsets you that much, you have problems with your self esteem. IRC is tame compared to the s*** you will face in real world physical situatuations. Fall off your self rightous high horse and get over yourself idp. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Horus^
13:11 17/3/2004
Not many people care that its the internet it still affects people when racism is used, end of story just remember next time your gonna use a racist comment just how bad it can affect a persons life.... what if you were black and a group of people on irc was abusing literally think about it, no self esteem? no courage to back yourself up? feel like killing yourself? you might laugh at that but if the situation was reversed you would not be laughing. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
idrinkpaint
13:13 17/3/2004
Montaver, was I posting in reply to you? I believe not. Anyway, it's wrong and shouldnt be done. The End...That's it dude, if it's wrong..it shouldn't be done. If you dont condone it then your views should be the same as mine. The fact of the matter is that these kids think that because they can't see the person they're insulting they think it's cool. Don't go around saying u dont condone it when you're sticking up for people thinking it's ok to do it on the internet. Yes - It is still gonna happen, because there's alot of stupid kids out there...

Try not to make an arse of yourself by flaming me without a point. Cheers dude. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
decrepit
Croydon
13:13 17/3/2004
alexander was half klingon have human, he got it bad from both sides, so it ain't just the UK [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
w1cked
Croydon
13:16 17/3/2004
Anisty-
Prozac
11:27, 17/3/2004 yeh im seeing far too much of this in irc recently.... some people do it to joke with their friends but i've seen that turn into 2 hour long chains of racist dribble and it's just not needed.

I'm sorry Phillip Midwinter. [ Score: -1, pointless | Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Sincy
13:22 17/3/2004
Good points and a lot of truth in there, nicely done mate.

Although quite a lot on IRC is just little gimps who say "jew" because its the new in word and they want to look cool, being too stupid to realise the effect of what they say. Then there are the eLLu's of IRC, who are just constantly racist and spam "I HATE NIGGERS" etc.

Reminds me of when i was playin in a mix and some1 called the other team niggers, i objected + got banned for being lame? LOL

There is paranoia regarding racism though, such as calling someone "Irish", for that to be construed as racist is just f***ing stupid, and complaints come from small-minded people jst thinking "ooooooooo racist" when its not at all. If racism is going to be stopped then it needs to be done properly, without wasting time on things that are merely non-pc rather than racist.

btw #lastchance = racism capital of IRC if any of u havent witnessed it, although its none of the lc members [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Montaver
theb0g
13:26 17/3/2004
I'm not condoning it, i'm saying ignore it. Racsim did not begin on irc, and it will not end there. I'm not defending them, im saying their immaturity is the cause, and that maybe they will eventually realise and stop. Kudos to you for not going crazy over the flames in my last post, so I apologise. I'm saying if people could have that attitude toward racist comments, and not actually take it to heart, then it wouldnt escalate into a big issue. The tendancy on the internet is to overreact. When someone uses a racial slur and throws it in your direction, you KNOW they are just trying to wind you up. By saying dont be racist etc they have won, because theyve got the rise out of you, which is what they wanted. Over the years there have been classic wind up masters on this website, irc racism is just an offshoot of that. :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
idrinkpaint
13:29 17/3/2004
I've ignored it for as long as I've been on IRC. I know that saying things like "dude stop saying s*** like that.." won't work. If i don't wanna read stuff that's been said on the internet I'll get off my PC and go elsewhere. I'm just saying it's all wrong, and the article was nice, haha. At least we both agree on one thing - It's caused by little immature kids, and as long as it's caused by them..it won't stop for a while. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Montaver
theb0g
13:32 17/3/2004
Yeh I agree it is a good article, and racism is wrong.
lets start a society, AROTI, aginst racism on the internet! o// [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Horus^
13:36 17/3/2004
We should get the kids banned! or even better why not blacklist them? and OPERATORS should take control of their irc channels and take action, it would all help at the end of the day to show that little immature kids wont sit in irc spamming racist comments will get away with it! :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
decrepit
Croydon
13:41 17/3/2004
what if you were black and a group of people on irc was abusing literally think about it, no self esteem? no courage to back yourself up? feel like killing yourself? you might laugh at that but if the situation was reversed you would not be laughing.

lol thats the dumbest s*** ever [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
FreeZe
BLACKLiGHT
13:43 17/3/2004
Great Column .
See far too much racism/prejudice on irc.
People should think before they type.

Btw, our clan name is in no way racist as so many people seem to think :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Horus^
13:51 17/3/2004
how is it decrepit? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
decrepit
Croydon
13:53 17/3/2004
cos no1 is f***ing bullied by 10 white boys on irc and honestly wants to kill themselves. If they do then they got a f***in mental problem anyway. yeh racisms stupid but get a grip [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
w1cked
Croydon
13:54 17/3/2004
Yeh Get A Grip Tbh HorusHat [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Venomous
BLACKLiGHT
14:07 17/3/2004
Good column, although i dont see much racism and when i do its purely joking and the ppl on the recieving end say things back like "whiteboy" and its all just namecalling, nothing serious. Dont really see any pictures of i19 clans with swastikas hanging over their chests. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Venomous
BLACKLiGHT
14:13 17/3/2004
by the way just thought i'd add, outside of the CS scene, every race is as bad as each other. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Sinth
14:14 17/3/2004
i was born a racist sorry :S [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
David Smith
Infinity-eSports
14:21 17/3/2004
UKT should dynamically link column and front page comments!

It's annoying switching between the two, to be quite honest :/

-Dave [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
arsen
Head Arse
UKTerrorist
14:34 17/3/2004
It's on the way Dave. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shaddix
endeffect
15:07 17/3/2004
Welcome to the internet [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Domje
15:36 17/3/2004
GAGB

Get A Grip, Buddy. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
16:28 17/3/2004
Ooh, good article. I'll comment when I get home ;-) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Necroblob
16:36 17/3/2004
(8) lets get retarded (8) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
dh
17:23 17/3/2004
YEAH listen to mont everyone..
[17:34:16] <Xtra`Montaver> i gotta werk till 10
[17:34:18] <Xtra`Montaver> laterz niggaz [ Score: 0, pointless | Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Montaver
theb0g
17:23 17/3/2004
dh@fakelog [ Score: 0, pointless | Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
dh
17:25 17/3/2004
[17:33:58] <dh[BatH]> its goin to his house tho so earliest ill have it is monday i reckon
[17:34:16] <Xtra`Montaver> i gotta werk till 10
[17:34:18] <Xtra`Montaver> laterz niggaz
[17:34:31] <dh[BatH]> lol pastin that on ukt
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[17:35:48] <Xtra`Montaway> haha
[17:35:50] <Xtra`Montaway> i replied [ Score: 0, pointless | Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Jimmeh
17:29 17/3/2004
I've witnessed racism a few times in the last chance channel and a friend of mine (who is asian) had to leave the channel because of it. Although an admin told the people concerned to be quiet it carried on for a good 5 minutes.

I really think these people need to grow up.

oh and theres nothing wrong with swearing, infact it shows a good use of vocabulary. Far better than people that say "you know" at the beggining of every sentence (every interview with a footballer on the premiership). [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Gank
17:41 17/3/2004
yeh its s***. its mainly on publics you get at least one or two abusive b******s that makes your brain melt over how incompetent they are... but it's just crazy when it happens in officials/pcws, cant even imagine how you could even begin to like someone or consider them to be on your team when they say such incredible bollocks... thing is it'll never be stamped out... maybe in a perfect world eh? ;D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Andeh
18:05 17/3/2004
I agree with mont also ish. You have to understand that for the most part iRC is somewhere where you can be anonomous. I have a great deal of mates in real life which i speak to on irc, none of which i would suggest to you as being racist. Yet when they b***h online, or just cuss (which we tend to do for fun) we find ourselves calling each other rather racist things.

The foundation and logic behind this sort of thing is trying to hurt the other; whether this is right or not is a different thing entirely. And to do this your always going to bring minoritys (certainly in this country) into your cuss.

I dont think this makes those people racist.... just a little nieve.

The fact of the matter is.... if these people met in real life they wouldnt be racist and if deap down they are really racist... then i cant see them blurting it out in front of a great deal of people. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
idrinkpaint
18:27 17/3/2004
Good point. I think people tend to do it more online because they can get away with it. Don't think anyone is stupid enough to do it face to face to someone. Bottom line is its wrong though. But s*** happens eh? It's easy enough to ignore, I don't like it, but I've managed not to let it bother me..too much :E [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
[z]Fred
zebras
18:28 17/3/2004
Im half chinese and people on internet (malds and DK mainly) and real life always give me the original digs but i really couldnt give a sh*t unless i genuinely thought they were racist, which they werent cos they wouldnt be friends if they were. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Weebull
19:25 17/3/2004
I think the question here is, is racism actually racism if the person on the recieving end isn't offended? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Anisty-
Prozac
21:21 17/3/2004
it is, i think the question actually is... has racism gone the way of sexism and is it now no longer a problem within certain areas of society [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Cameron
battered
22:02 17/3/2004
I've witnessed racism a few times in the last chance channel and a friend of mine (who is asian) had to leave the channel because of it. Although an admin told the people concerned to be quiet it carried on for a good 5 minutes.

Yeah, it's quite bad at times for it, madSpunk seems to ban them if he's around.

Nice article, echo's the views of most of the cs'ers I know. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
longtime lurker
22:38 17/3/2004
you mean mixed race, half-cast is a racist term buddy.

Good article, but the above point is valid. If you're going to talk about a sensitive subject, you should be a tad more PC (although I obviously recognise you're not racist and that must just be the phrase you use to describe people of mixed race). [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
darkshot
01:53 18/3/2004
i left my old clan cos a guy named LiamT was throwing all kinds of racist abuse at me on Vent just because im black. ;/ .....stop racism online pls :( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Raggy
08:31 18/3/2004
It shouldnt matter whether its in IRC, on the net or in real life, it all boils down to racist conduct. I have banned many a person for being racist from servers and IRC channels, there is no need for it. I know its usually kids who dont really know better but it can and does offend people, if it didnt, wouldnt people be wandering around the streets saying "hi jew" and "see you later niggers"

Oh and jimmeh's comment about swearing showing a good use of vocabulary, thats gotta be the dumbest comment i have seen, swearing in every sentance actually shows a severe lack of use of the english language, you should be able to construct sentances, criticisms or even an angry rant at someone without swearing, that shows a good use of vocabulary, not retaliating with "F**k off you f**king p***k" [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
AMeN
11:25 18/3/2004
Mike man you that's not true at all, eveytime I went to any of the i-series I always heard so many racist comments, and obviously I could name names but that would just be pointless. Anyway amazing article, mysterious writer your my hero <3 [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Domje
13:03 18/3/2004
KISS

Keep It Simple, Stupid. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
unck
14:07 18/3/2004
blah blah blah, what a load of crap. i like using jokingly-racist terms. i find them funny and will continue to use them. :)

if you don't like it just say this in your head. sticks and stones may break my bones but the word nigger, jew, arab, gook will never hurt me. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Diggydoolans
14:53 18/3/2004
nice read the sooner these racist/bigots are rid of the better

racism is not a joke it is a serious social issue [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Sash-
14:57 18/3/2004
u got something 2 say? take ur tiny balls and tell me in the face that im a "jew" or "nigger".
i will be surprised if u wont get shot in the face.
bring it on. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DeFade
17:05 18/3/2004
no denying that there is a lot of racism in cs. my advice to anyone who is feeling alienated by racism in cs would be to get involved with a clan. since i joined a clan i have hardly played on any public servers, and i am certainly not missing the childish behaviour, cheating, and racism. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Groont
18:31 18/3/2004
There is a large spectrum of racism. From Criticizing white to black and everyone inbetween. The fact is the world is full of ignorence. People fail to realize that the world cannot change due to an insightful idea or comment. I think the problem lies with Social problems in the United States. Anyone on here who is against racism should be for gay marriage and support the gays 100% in thier pursute and right to atleast become a unified couple. If not then you are a hypocrit. I feel if people don't realize the ignorence of the people here in the United States then they are one of the pure forms of nieve in the United States. People are not far from apes and ALOT of people i have met throughout the years don't even have thier own values straight. THe easiest and quickest way to let racisim not hurt you is by remembering of the ignorence that is here and will stay here forever. ANd that the person has what's coming to them. Look on tv these places selling jesus products. Its absoelutly ridculous. The 2 party system in the United States. There is no support for canidates like raplh nader who has truly explict ideas and philisophy. He is a Muslim man with quite the record and ability to become president. WHy don't people elect him? Because people refuse to go out of thier little bubble and experience the world for what it is now. And then just sit there and let other problems overrun. No one speaks up. When i was at a young age i knew we humans are as primal as apes but in only a few ways better. I knew i had to find things out for myself and not let a book in school dictate my own ideas or thoughts or questions. Question authority and ignorence is out there. Thanks [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
jayrobot
22:12 18/3/2004
Grow some backbone. a JOKE is JOKE - not intended to be taken seriously - especially in a scene composed of 13 yearolds.. - your friends can stand up from themselves if they are truly offended, it is not your role to take offense FOR them. If you do not like it, you can play on a HOMELAN or other type of server which is administered by persons with a similar sensitivity to racial comments/jokes.

If you don't like the comments someone is making in a cs game, leave the server or mute them - just please don't start crying and post another scene announcement like this one. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DK
Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate
09:24 19/3/2004
Nick Im not your friend you fat b******!!

Started training yet?!

:D [ Score: -1, abusive | Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
YObbO
Happy Hackers
12:13 19/3/2004
Gr8 written piece - no complaints :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Magikfingers
19:29 19/3/2004
Great article.

First of all - everyone seems to need to point out that they're british / english. I'm not. I'm about as American as they come, good or bad. I'm proud of it.

I also want to applaud the author of this column. I've seen a lot of racism. I've seen what it does to people on the recieving end. Words can sometimes hurt worse than any physical injury, and never heal. Whether it's on the Internet or not. People don't realize this.

Someone mentioned in an earlier post on this subject that you should be able to go to someone talking like this, and in a mature manner tell them that you're offended by thier use of a racial slur or homophobic comment and have that be it.

I run a Counter-Strike server for my clan. We also have a Desert Combat server up. You know what happens if you try to calmly say, "Please don't use that language, I find it offensive."? You usually get a string of racist or homophobic remarks, the worst they can come up with, and then a TK. That's how people react on the Internet. I don't know if that's because they're embarassed, because they think they should have the right to offend whomever they want, or because someone had the testes enough to stand up to them and ask them not to talk like that. This happens 100% of the time, and ends in a ban of that person.

IRC - forget about IRC. I can't stand to hang around in there anymore.

People need to be made to understand that, as I said, Internet or no, words can hurt. Whether it's some racist remark, some discriminatory remark about homosexuals, it hurts. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Smittins
11:17 20/3/2004
Ban this pantera idiot. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Lazy
18:46 20/3/2004
I have a few black friends in real life and on IRC.. both groups of them take the p*** out of me because im white and they do it constantly... it doesn't bother me one single bit because i know they are only joking (also i am god), but there are times where blacks/asians etc make fun of whites seriously but that never gets taken into account, i went to a party once and ended up having a black guy shouting "white c**t" at me.. i wasn't offended because he was right, i am white and a c**t ;D.. my point is we only ever hear one side of the story and people are way too paranoid and sensitive about things like that and the emotional scars thing is aload of rubbish but that i wont get into :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
TaBoo
01:02 22/3/2004
what i hate is ethnic minorites being racist and getting away with it.. also i agree with Fl00id [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Marrakesh
13:21 23/3/2004
I understand completely, everything you are saying.

And a few times we (the clan I am in and the two servers we have) have actually had people removed from their isp for racist behaviour. GB-UK (#gb-uk) and the servers are 195.20.109.116:27015 and 195.20.109.117:27015 - both are 32 player servers. Any kind of bigotry and they are immediately banned for 48 hours. If the logs show any further racism, repeated, or just completely over the top and evil then the ip would be tracked, and the service provider emailed with the logs and some strong words :)

This seems a good way to punish those who are narrow-minded enough to do this. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
00
Judean People's Front
19:09 26/3/2004
Im an ex-racist, homophobe, anti-social w**ker.

I was taught to be racist by ppl who were also taught to be racist. When i started to use my brain properly as an individual thinking for myself I realised I was just a dumb ass c*** for being racist.

I see many racist ppl/clans in CS...top clans and pr0's even. It majorly p***es me off because these ppl influence a youth attracted to the pr0 cs scene. Racists within the game are breeding tomorrows racists.

Personally when I come across ppl who are racist I will generally be a c*** to them. Kae from old S7 and noc is a prime example. He asked me to do a site for him at Section7...so I made a nice site to his spec with bonus features and all the trimmings. I found out he was racist by other ppl and listening to him in chan (and also by his confession in a PM) and thought yo myself "f*** YOU c***" and didnt give him the site...which is a nice peice in my online portfolio now...THANKS KAE!!!!

You cant get rid of racism but you certainly dont need to accept it in any place nevermind a workplace. Oust the w**kers...they don't deserve the air we breathe nevermind a chance to be racist with their 5 braincells all working in harmony.

...oh and lets all t**t em at lans too.

00
Judean People's Front
Not a "newjew"...im an oldschool one :)

*disclaimer*
Any said referebnces claiming to be jewish are in fact only for the purposes of appearance within the constraints of the game Counter-Strike.

ps. reminds me actually....i blagged a racist into thinking I was Jamaican for 2 ye [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
00
Judean People's Front
19:09 26/3/2004
*years [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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