Counter-Strike V1.3 - Short Review



You hear the drumming of the feet as they approach you, are they coming from the left or is it the right? They're getting close now, so many different directions in these new maps, all the doorways all the corridors and windows - you grip your mouse with tension aiming at the left most door you certain they have got to be coming that way…… You reach other to call for backup over your radio… then you remember they'll hear you! Closer, your AK is quivering - you know its aim is not how it was in 1.1 and its doesn't have the brilliance it once had - pushing those thoughts back the footsteps reach a climax, you steady your aim…. "Enemy spotted - behind you deeano!" With a quick nudge of the mouse I've turned to the other door and I'm aiming and firing a few shots into the body of one man and, with only a few bullets remaining and a split second, my crosshair goes towards the head of the next. Do or die moment but my aim is true and amazingly I've got both of them, "enemy down, thanks man" Wiping a bead of sweat from my forehead I ready myself for another action packed game of CS 1.3... Okay, so I've overdone it a little but I have to say CS 1.3 is beyond anything I could have hoped the CS team could have done. As I've said before CS needed something special to really keep it alive; and by jove they've done it. What am I getting so excited about? "The voice comms lag, the headshots are for newbs, the new maps are too big and they lag, cheats have not been stopped, new spectator mode sucks and most of all the new scoreboard is dodgy." I would safely say that at the moment you will hear every single one of these complaints from somebody in the space of an hour on a public server. But I must ask why, I mean the guys from the CS team and the men at valve have once again tried (and in my opinion succeeded) in taking another step into putting gaming forward. And yet still they are criticised, and I have to say that criticism is unjust and unfair. Shock! Horror! Someone writing about CS defending it from the masses, yep I am being brave.

Voice Communication

Firstly lets go to the most interesting, fun and most effective change to CS, the adding of voice comms to the game. So far for me so good, people have said lets go left and for the first time in public CS the team has played together, rushing the same way and shooting to save each other. Could it be that the days of CS where you were alone in a death match against your enemy are gone, one only hopes so. But as all our pessimists said before CS 1.3 was even realised: "there's always some idiot making funny noises down the line", well they can't even complain. The voices can be turned on and off (via 'mute' function) meaning that they don't have to listen to anyone else, their loss if they don't want to play with the rest of the team. In the voice comms, the CS and Half Life team have managed to give CS public a chance to get back to the roots of what it should be, a team game where the primary aim is to win rounds, not kill the enemy. I can guarantee that the bomb will be planted more if everyone in the team is saying so on the comms. Another thing you will find as you play CS 1.3 due to the comms, is that there is a higher level or respect among the players. I personally am able to speak to someone easier than I am able to type and so it increases the human-to-human element to the online game. It can also remind you that you're playing alongside humans rather than bots (maybe a lot of the cheaters forget this) but does it make you more of a geek typing into your PC or talking to it? J

Multicast Technology (HLTV)

Multicast, well at the moment a lot of servers haven't got this feature running but from what I've seen of it it is excellent, watching your team as a substitute or supporting another clan in an important war now is possible and is also enjoyable. It looks like something Andy Gray (Ed: Sports Commentator, incase you didn't know) would use for Sky Sports Football as the tactics of each clan/team unfold. I stongly believe this is the first step into turning CS (or at least future gaming) into sport. And to those who say that it will never be used, I'd like to remind them of how many people sit at the Clanbase HL CS Nations cup in IRC, watching it scroll out script of how the game is going. I'm sure these people would much rather sit and watch the game unfold as if they were in it. Another brilliant and innovative add on to Counter Strike. Due to the addition of the voice comms and the mulitcast spectator spotting a cheat and telling people that he/she is one is now so much easier. Even though they haven't put in anything new to stop them immediately, these other two may actaully be a more effective way of stopping cheats. Only time will tell us.

New Maps

The new maps, or de maps (seem to be the only well received maps nowdays) and I think we got three corkers this time especially in comparison to 1.1. I think 1.1 really failed to deliver with rotterdam, thunder and vertigo and was surprised when they allowed thunder to stay in but this time round we got what we had hoped for. Starting with DE_storm, I think we have got another dust in the making, although some would complain it is too dark others would say its adds to the atmosphere of the map and I would agree. It's very much like the de_dust map with an underpass as well as routes above the ground. Lots of nice choke points with bombsites well placed. A fun map that is very well set up and fits in perfectly with CS. DE_Survivor is another great addition and is a very original map on the design side of things. Although it is a de map it is quite large with various routes getting to the two bomb points. Obviously it is brilliant looking but the best part of de_survivor are its chocke points, the town point is great fun in a constricted yet open sense and the underground pass reminds me off something out of 7 brides for 7 brothers, brilliant. And finally, probably the most anticipated of the maps is DE_Torn, the nicest looking map to get into the official CS pack so far and it's a great map. The obvious complaints are that its too large and too confusing but its intricacy and detail although putting many off at the moment is going to be the one thing that keeps this map going. Its like a much more developed and nicer looking CS_Italy and it too is a great map.

Hitbox/Headshots

And finally and so far the most moaned thing about CS 1.3, the headshots. Well I don't see what the argument is about, the fact that the headshots in this version count whereas they didn't in older versions is good news. I hated it when I was aiming at heads in 1.1 and not getting kills at least now, even if it is by luck it won't be by as much luck as 1.1 required. I also think the fact that 1.3 allows 'easier' headshots means that we will get a new kind of practise among players who instead of aiming at the others torso will specifically aim for the head. Again it's a case of time and in three months I might be screaming at Cliffe/Goose and co to change it back but at the moment I like it. So that's it, 1.3 in a Deean style nutshell. Those are my views, they may come across as being 100% optimistic but I just feel the game has been improved so much that this is what it deserved. Go easy on the flaming.... Article by Deean Feel free to comment below or on the Forums.

Comments

Blitz
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UKTerrorist
20:56 2/10/2001
Good summary mate, couldn't have put it much better myself ;)

Agree with most of what you say, although I'm sure loads of people won't and you're about to get flamed, hohoho....cya :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
MuffinMan
21:24 2/10/2001
Yeah nicely put. I agree with most of the points you brought up. The voice technology is excellent and adds a whole new experience to the team based elements. As you say the headshots are fun now but will they last???
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Deean
21:24 2/10/2001
I can't wait :) I honestly don't mind you lto flaming me if you don't agree with me, just leave my mumma out of it.

Deean :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
PsychoSheep
21:29 2/10/2001
nice one m8 :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Tobunu
21:35 2/10/2001
yeah, I quite agree there.

But getting headshots wasn't as hard as yout thought in 1.1, it just required more skill to aim at the head. Now it seems that everyone is getting headshots every round, and the "spray and pray" tactics are only working to well for people. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DanŽ
21:36 2/10/2001
Nice article Deean ...

I agree with all teh points made,

but it will take a while to get used to all these headshots.
But we have adapted before, just think back to 1.0 when they changed the hit-boxes in the first place to them new models and funked it up .....

or was it 7.1, bah

Good Article tho ;) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Plank
01:49 3/10/2001
I seem to be the only true isolationist out there. I don't hate the voice
comm by any means, I just don't use it. My teamplay has not slipped and my
team (in a pub) just had a very good run on inferno even though none of us
used voice and the other team was using it almost exclusively. I'm not
flaming the technology, or you Deean :) but I'm just not excited about it
as whenever me and my friends LAN it up we rely on real life to carry our
messages. And, frankly, these are the only people I want to talk to, not a
bunch of strangers in an online game. And I've brought this up before on
csnation, the voice comm takes me OUT of the game. I mean, how many 12
year old SEAL team members are out there? I dare say none.

With or without voice I think CS is one of the best games out there and if
voice is what keeps it alive, more power to it but you will never see me
using it. You will, however, see me playing as a team consistantly. I do
have eyes and I can watch my team and I can shoot the enemy as opposed to
warning someone about it.

Final point/question:
Why do folks think it's so difficult to copy and paste a script and push
one button to say 'roger that' rather than holding one down and having to
say it yourself? I think the latter is much more time consuming and
dangerous to your play ingame.

Thanks for listening

-Plank

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Buckaroony
01:53 3/10/2001
Good to see a review of CS1.3 by someone who has obviously played the game properly! It's great that Teamplay is being encouraged again, after all the most satisfying moments in CStrike are when u all work together. There's so many neat touches now that its a joy watch as well as take part in.
In short, i totally agree with all that u have said m8 :o)
[ECSF]Buckaroony.
p.s Vivre I-series LANs! SMB BT! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
sp00ky
02:17 3/10/2001
I have been playing cs for about 2 years so Im not a newb.

I just think the new patch suck...the voicecomm aint such a big deal as I hoped. Besides noone ever uses it. The hitboxbugs (shooting at the target but no damage made) havnt been fixed....

Although I hate the game, I play it about 3 hours a day...so its like a drug, and I will continue to play cs.

But I am waiting for TF2...hope it will be great fun....and that they learn from mistakes made by HL-mods [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
SapphireDarkness
03:36 3/10/2001
I agree with all the points made but reading responses i can't help but laugh at "I don't talk because no one else ever does besides it sucks" Well jeez guys. The first game i played in 1.3 no one talked and we sucked but then ONE guy came in and started talking. before you know it everyone was discussing plans for next round and backing eachother up. One man talking can inspire everyone else to do the same. Its played beatifully when everyone is working together. However if you come in with the midset "No one talks and this sucks anyway" Of course no one is going to talk because thats what you expect! I come in and tell my plans to my non-talking teamates and then everyone will do the same in only a few rounds and when that happens we always win. Mabye because you are a little 9 year old kid whos voice is too high or some newbie get in the game and talk anyway. Sure you'll be made fun of because you sound like you've been kicked in the nuts but hey it'll be more fun. Oh yeah DE maps suck i would like to see this voice system on aan AS map or an ES map THAT would be great. Instead of DE lets just call it DM down with no skill maps! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Xentor
04:00 3/10/2001
Gotta love the voice comm in the new one... True, it seems no one uses it, but I was on a pub a day or two ago in complete silence (Voice-wise). Suddenly someone on my team with a rather disturbing name started talking when our bomber couldn't find the sites on de_torn. That round was shaky, but he kept talking, dealing out strategies despite being low on the list (Proving that killing and tactics are two different skills). Soon we were winning every round, splitting into two tight groups and systematically sweeping the map and planting before the CTs even knew what was going on. THAT is what CS is all about... Teamwork.

As for the maps... Survivor and Torn look terrific and play well, but the other one is a bit bland and boring (Just like dust)...

Great review, Deean :)

- Xentor [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Drekkor
06:01 3/10/2001
I think the only "problems" with voice comm is that a lot of people either don't have mics or are too afraid to talk over the mic. That and a lot of the people you can't understand. :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Glocker
08:45 3/10/2001
I tell you, the headshots are already driving me up the wall!! I mean, to be able to get headshots all the time means that you are a pro, but now, even newbies can headshoot entire teams!! Another thing, why did they had to change the AK47 accuracy? I saw a guy firing it at full auto at a CS's legs and immediately killed him! Wassup with dat? Also, the terrorists are still stuck with the Glock as default secondary weapon, which is really frustrating b'cuz the CT don't have to waste time and money to buy a better one. Can't cliffe/valve default the ts' secondary weapon to sumthing better? e.g. P228, the Berreta.
Ok...now my ranting ends....until next time [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Phunky*
08:48 3/10/2001
ya gotta love it all...........altho i dont like the hit-box's its a bit of a major change...also i think they should retrun to the old way''s of how the guns worked and also bring back jumpin and shooting accurac! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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UKTerrorist
09:13 3/10/2001
none of the guns have been changed (inc accuracy).... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Silinder
09:29 3/10/2001
I've found that the deagle is VERY inaccurate for the first few shots.
As for the voice comms...more power to them good stuff.
Keep it coming CS crew [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
=THX=Student
09:46 3/10/2001
I'm guessing that none of the above posters have had the major lag crap that I've been getting since 1.3 then?
I would have said that I could hold my own with most players in 1.1 despite being on a modem (obviously there are some that would own my arse) but since 1.3 came out, the lag is so bad I'm happy to get scores of 15/14.
de_torn is the worst culprit. Case in point, I'm one of 2 T's left, one CT left. We're at CT spawn, moron other T bloke stands on top of the roof, shooting at the floor, so I drop down to the right and hide in the corner. Sure enough blokey gets drilled and CT comes flying over my head as expected hunting for me, I shoot 3 bursts of 2/3, all perectly aimed at the CT in question (who is a mate as it happens). He turns round when he realises he's being shot, locates my hiding place, and nails me with an MP5, all the while I'm shootig at him. Flabberghasted at his lack of dying ability, I say "Dave, how much health did you have then?", to which he replies "about 60 odd".

This happens all too aoften in 1.3 and I'm reduced to spray an pray tactics to get any kills at all [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
=THX=Student
09:49 3/10/2001
In instance above I had an AK.

Also, How do you turn the voice comms off, I've unchecked the box in the customization menu, but it still works. Ne1 know the console commands? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Fighting
09:53 3/10/2001
lol @ the bloody deagle's accuracy. Rcently I've found that sometimes the first bullet or two from it will register about half a screen away from where I was aiming...whether jumping, standing still or crouched...thats just plain ridiculous. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
[!$$ueS]
10:12 3/10/2001
It's X-THX player Cyborg, Stud. They have f***ed the AK up in CS 1.3, i am crouched pulsing the AK at some guys head and i hardly hit him yet i get killed straight away. Not tried the voice thing on CS as i only played 1.3 once and it was disabled. Every CS seems to get worse, i never bother playing it, rather play other mods. Though i will give CS another go when i have a couple of hours spare to see what it's like. As i seemed to be playing well after not playing for a month.

BRING BACK THE OLD AK [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
floor
10:22 3/10/2001
Ive been arguing these very points against the same objections you mentioned. What grates the most is when someone is playing one of the new maps for the first time and 5 minutes in u get this "This map sux0rs, everyone votemap dust" Or this corker "The old inferno was much more balanced!" Considering that the majority of players are relatively young, the resistance to change and fear of all things new I found to be truly surprising. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
igfett
11:27 3/10/2001
"Can't cliffe/valve default the ts' secondary weapon to sumthing better? e.g. P228, the Berreta"
LOL! the glock is ten times better then either of those guns, especially with the new accurate hit boxes.

as for the new maps, storm is amazing. it is rather plain, but it is built for gameplay rather than visuals (wish more maps were), much like clan1_mill and clan2_fire, 2 of the best maps for clan play ever made but very bland.

i agree that voicecom is unspectacular, but definitely not a detriment. i think cs was fine without it, as the only time it is really good is in clan matches, where roger wilco was already used anyway.

multicast spectator mode is amazing, it is so much better than irc bots. ppl would idle in the hundreds to watch large matches between good clans on irc, and i am sure plenty of them will get much more out of actually watching the matches unfold [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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UKTerrorist
11:29 3/10/2001
very true, floor.

As for the Desert Eagle problems people have, I tend to agree (whether it's correct or not, I dunno), but if using DE I fire off a bullet at the spawn and reload before getting into a firefight. It tends to do the trick.

As for lag....it does feel slightly laggier but hopefully that will be sorted when they look at the CPU usage issues server admins have been reporting, apparently down to the way the hitboxes were fixed - hopefully it's only down to that. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Savage
12:57 3/10/2001
i cant believe what i am reading. protecting from the masses? Cs is the one truely good online game that the so called masses can play without having the best computer in the world or the latest cable modem and this is partly what makes it great. But 1.3 has ruined this, 1.1 was fine except for the 12,000 cheats ans 1.3 has done nothing to kerb that problem all the cheats still work with it. the lag is just stupid 1.1 fantastic 1.3 lag fest. Yes the voice coms are a nice touch but we have been useing them in wars for ages anyway. The new maps well there prtty run of the mill stuff except for torn which is great, but why no assualt2k? if they sort out the inferior netcode that they have introduced then it will be a great game once again but now its just stupid. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ian Loo
13:24 3/10/2001
You Forgot to Mention The way that BUNNYHOPPING is much more difficult and sometimes near impossible [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
m0rtaL
13:32 3/10/2001
voice_enable "0" turns voice off. The weapons haven't been changed except the jumping msg accuracy is back. And yes, Torn is too big I don't care what u say, although it is really nice work otherwise. It makes CT team camp the bomb sites rather than explore the rest of the map to avoid being caught too far away when the bomb is planted. (Of course a lot of ppl will argue this is what ct is supposed to do anyway) I say the old maps are much more fun. However, I still like CS overall just as much as I ever did. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
m0rtaL
13:35 3/10/2001
I forgot to mention that I don't know what you ppl are talking about "more lag". I don't see any difference whatsoever. And I am just a 64k isdn player. I have a great isp that gets me 50 to 80 ping on my favorite servers though. But I see no difference at all. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
YourDaddy
13:55 3/10/2001
I have no problem with anything he said in his article. For the most part he was right on the money. The headshots have gotten easier and beginner and less skilled players can get lucky headshots, but it really doesn't happen enough to be a problem. However, I have noticed some things that have seemed to change that do take away from the game. It seems as though killing a player by aiming at the body has become harder. I have caught players unaware and aimed for the body, unloaded a full clip, and been killed when they realized where I was shooting from. Given I should of shot them in the head, but thats not the point. 30 rounds from an mp5 ought to be enough to kill anybody when placed in the upper region of the body, but given several experiences I have found this to be untrue. Some may diagree, but it definitely takes longer to kill with bodyshots. Anyone who can explain this occurance, please feel free. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
player
14:20 3/10/2001
hehe, on the cs forums it seems that the only people that dont like the new hitboxes are the newer members.... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Zephir
15:54 3/10/2001
Sure the maps are beautiful, especially de_survivor. But the way they designed storm and torn you get the feeling that they couldn't care less about users with slow computers. It strikes me how survivor is more original, looks better and STILL lags a lot less. Great design flaws on torn and storm. I'm just glad both of those maps aren't played alot since I can't even move on those maps, just lags so %¤% bad. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Deean
16:35 3/10/2001
I think the last point made about the fact that people with slower computers are havign problems has been taken into consideration and weighed up against the amount of players with new PC's. The CS people are aiming to attract the biggest possible gaming audience graphically and gameplay wise, which unfourtunmatly puts a strain on the 266 pentiums some people are playing on. The thing is - the lower grade PC owners aren't going to complain about new games coming out that their hardrives won't even be able to hold let alone their CPU's so really to complain about a game progressing as much as the half life engine can take it is really just something everyone has to live with.
:(
Deean (I got a 1ghz athlon so I would prolly be different if it was a quarted of that :P) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Vash
17:54 3/10/2001
What can I say, excellent review, oh and to all you guys moaning about CS, grow up a little.

I've been playing since beta 1, sure had a few bad beta's along the way but cs 1.3 is just stunning, the voice comm's are great and the lag, well it's non existant, I've been playing on a 33.6kb modem for 2 years now and had constant pings of 170, with cs 1.3 it has strangely dropped to 140-150.

Anyone know if they changed the netcode or am I just having a good period before my cable modem comes, ohhhhh only 3 days till 25 ping and lots of lpb whorage with my glock.

Well, great review and good comments, nice thing that people are finally sticking up for CS.

Keep up the good work. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Dashy
18:40 3/10/2001
Alright Ryan mate? Remember me :P The one that introduced you to CS all those Years ago. Right, lets get down to Business. I am a Poor A level student. I have a 56K modem, I live in the middle of No-where and I have a slowish computer. Every Version of CS from Beta 4 up to 1.1 I was able to play, but now, I have spoken to lots (and I means Loads) of 56kers who are annoyed. Why? Only because their ping has jumped up by 150. Its hard enough to kill someone when your ping is 200, let alone 350. I don't know what Valve did, but It didn't do any favours for Modem users. At first I lowered my rate to 1000, cl_updaterate to 10, cl_cmdrate to 10. Take a wild guess at what happened to my ping? Got it yet? ABSOLUTLY NOTHING! Thats right, I still had packet loss, and my ping was still 350. I turned off the Voice Comm, no effect. I tried everything. Now? I know there are alot of Broadband people out there now, just Like Ryan (DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT A MODEM LOOKS LIKE RYAN? :P) but CS is almost unplayable for many (not all) 56kers. Now, making a game better is all very well and dandy, but if you prevent many of your gamers from playing a game...whats the point in that?

I think I might move to a new mod, one which can still support 56k.

Dashy [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Monkeyblimp101
18:55 3/10/2001
The only reason I'm still playing this is because there is a group of people that I know and we just goof around and have a good time. I wish CS stayed in the Beta stages. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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UKTerrorist
19:25 3/10/2001
may be wrong but im sure the shotguns didn't shake as much when fired! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Backst@bber
19:48 3/10/2001
I haven't noticed any change in any weapons including the AK. I really like the voice comm and the multicast is ok but i think its boring watching matches. It would b 10 times betta if u could use it while u were dead but i guess that aint possible. I think the biggest problem though is the major lag. Ive got a 56k :( poor me and i used 2 get pings of around 180 but now i rarely get under 200 and im mostly in the 300s. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Backst@bber
19:55 3/10/2001
oh yeah, and =THX=Student the console command 2 turn voice comm on and off is voice_enable "1" or voice_enable "0" [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Trine
21:03 3/10/2001
I have to desagree with you .. HEADSHOTS SUCKS ... lamers and newbies get almost the same kills as pro players ... now it's easier to play .. i think they messed with tthe thing that distinguiched PRO and NORMAL players.. the capacity to give a HEADSHOT.. now it's over. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
wallace-DDM
21:15 3/10/2001
In all fairness,I,and my clan members think 1.3 sucks hard. Hit boxes are all screwed up, cheats are running as rampant as ever, noobs and everybody in the game are pulling off head shots everytime they fire a shot. Voice comm. is o.k., but can get better. I'll give them a thumbs up on that one. This version still has a number of issues it needs to contend with, before it can (in my opinion) be considered as good as 1.1 .I've been playing hl/cs since it came out, so I am no noob. Thanks for listening. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Savage
22:38 3/10/2001
Vash with all due respect you are a tool
your exactly the kind of person who kills people for fun on your own team!!!
grow up a little yourself you ignorant piece of s*** [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
joe
22:46 3/10/2001
1.3 is terrible. torn and storm are awful, the voice comm is worthless to the point that no one even bothers to use it, the spectator mode is pointless, the server crashes all the time now and there is more lag, you can't use the scoreboard to see who has the bomb, the sounds and doorways on many custom maps are broken, the headshots are so ludicrous i turned them off on my server, the cheats are all still working, need i go on? this is a terrible piece of software and i wish they had never released it. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
[*TFT*]Mr.NiceGuy
23:31 3/10/2001
Joe

Uhm, yes you can see who has the bomb. It's that player that has the text called "BOMB" infront. Or maybe you're playing cs_ maps ? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Blitz
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UKTerrorist
10:01 4/10/2001
hehe nice guy...

backstabber, there is no way that a CS update made your ping go from 180 to in the 300s.

as for headshots...if someone is a good player then they'll get a headshot quicker than their 'lucky' opponent wont they? I don't think the problem is that big to be honest. It's snowballing though, because of the number of people whining about it others catch on and think 'yeah! that's why I cant win!' - when in actual fact they're just not that good and get annoyed at getting headshotted (if that's a word hehe). [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Glocker
11:16 4/10/2001
Yeah, Blitzkreig. I guess dat one of my clan's best marksman couldn't hit a jumping CT with an AK but the CT could nail him with a pistol. WTF? IMO, making headshots to get so easily is throwing the game's entire balance off as much as the AWP did in the last few versions. Newbs can now walk around the cafes spouting that they headshot one of the best players in the area, when it wasn't their skill who did it, but the damn new 1.3! Frankly, I'm sick of this. AK at full auto in-your-face and first to fire doesn't seem to work against ppl equiped with MP5s or any other gun for dat matter. Last time, AK auto IYF would have meant automatic death, but now it is just crap. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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UKTerrorist
11:20 4/10/2001
glocker m8, the AK hasnt been changed, nor have any guns....

as for your clan m8, if he lost with his AK versus a pistol, thats his fault....I dont see how that has anything to do with the cs update?

remember, if people are getting headshots so easily, it also becomes easier for you....its the same for everyone....the guy with pistol had no advantage over your mate. Obviously the advantage lay with your m8 and his AK....I guess the pistoler was just better :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Glocker
11:28 4/10/2001
If all guns had not been changed, izzit the new hitboxes that do the dang thing? I tested the AK's accuracy against a wall, and it seemed pretty all right, but when it comes up against the opp, it falls flat on it's face. Never happened b4. Plus the pistol vs the AK thing was just one of the many instances where a newb bested a vet in 1.3 . As Quake players would say, the newb suddenly owned the vet. I'm gonna try and change back to 1.1 . [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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UKTerrorist
11:36 4/10/2001
well, the hitbox problems have been fixed, the gun accuracy hasnt changed....so if you're aiming well then you will get the hit you actually achieved...if you're missing then maybe try bursts ;)

A less skilled player killing a good player isn't 'owning', it's only one kill. If the guy really is a good player he'll no doubt be back the next round to kill the 'newb' and the round after that, and the round after that.

Good players still die you know. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ghostly
13:10 4/10/2001
I think 1.3 is ace. Haven't seen any changes in AK accuracy (or any of the guns), and now when you aim for the head you actually hit it :)

The only downside is my ping (56K modem) has skyrocketed and the same has happened for all my 56k mates. Hopefully there's some kind of fix coming soon. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
turin
14:06 4/10/2001
First of all, I've only been playing CS for 3/4 months so I can't claim to be a vet (but I ain't no noob).

Just before 1.3 was released I was getting really good at CS and getting great scores. The best thing about CS I find/found is the "sport" factor combined with the realism i.e. the more you practise the better you become. Noobs used to come onto a server and get wasted by more experienced players, loads of cheating accusations etc. This was great coz noobs would keep plugging away and eventually they'd improve and be "headshooting" newer noobs...

I fear that 1.3 has brought an end to all that. Getting a headshot really is too easy now. CS prides itself on being "realistic". For me, headshots in 1.3 have drastically removed that realism.

I'm not going to be arrogant about getting headshots from noobs. I know that it's the same for me as it is for them but it has reduced the quality of gameplay in my eyes. I hope that all the fuss about this gets taken on board coz CS has got worse.

I'll keep on playing though. I'm addicted... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Deean
16:15 4/10/2001
I think those that have listed complaints will find they don't need to - as I've listed them in my article - as for the hitboxes and ehadshots there is no complaint or question about it. If your aiming at the head be it fluke or skill and your bullet goes to the head the person your aiming at is dead.
Im sorry but thats a step in the right direction for me, fair enough the number of headshots has increased but like what was earlier said - you can kill your opponent with a headshot as well. It adds a new deeper skill level to the game [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
liquidApathy
17:17 4/10/2001
I like cs1.3, the headshot thing i haven't noticed yet(i'm going to go home and find out right away), the ak accuracy i haven't noticed(if i missed i blaim it on my aim, i find it pointless to blame the game). I believe that all the ppl that complained about CS are the minority. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
{-EAD-}Scuba Steve
11:56 5/10/2001
Me.... Im laughing my head off at all those ppl who think that 300 ping makes it impossible to kill any1 :P Cause it cetainly doesn't. It's only when u start getting in your pings of 1000s that starts making it harder.... anyway I'm only talking coz I'm dl 1.3 now so I wouldn't no anything about it except the ping makes no difference to the gameplay.. it's skill cause my normal ping in 1.1 way at least 350 [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
cenobite
12:05 5/10/2001
Good article but it seems to only cover the client side of things. Which from your POV might perfect sense. However server side things are bad. Increased CPU/Memory usage overall. New maps are even worse for things. And I regularly play with much higher pings than the 50 i should be playing with (anything from 90-350). The lag is probably mostly caused by increase in load on servers and if servers are running multiple ports on one box and they each go to a new map then SPIKEARIFIC!

We have to upgrade our servers memory after last nights lagorific CS game :/ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Leeboy
21:56 5/10/2001
This might seem a little late but what plank said (near the top of comments)i totally agree with. I have played CS 1.3 quite alot since it has been released and i always find some idiot making stupid noises down their mic so you cant hear peoples footsteps!

I also hate being accused of cheating just because i kill 3 people in a row every now and then.

Then there are people who just come onto a server to slag you off and really egt you annoyed so you get distracted from the game and then they start saying you are crap.

Im sorry if i sound stupid but i just think this has to be said there are too many (excuse my french) arseholes on CS these ays that just want to slag people off. They should have made an ignore button so that these annoying people can be ignored just like the mute function for voice comm.

I believe if more Mature people played CS 1.3 then the game would be enjoyed to the fullest... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Morreti
10:34 6/10/2001
I have a 56k, with a good spec pc and usually ping 160-200. After installing 1.3 I started pinging 300+ with lots of choke. I then started messing about with rate and cl_cmdrate/updaterate and its now back to 160-200. the netgraph still shows HUGE choke but it seems to have NO affect on the game. Just mess about and fine tune them, it will be ok. The voice comm works well for me on HPB servers but with a high % of lpbs it starts getting worse. Is the bandwidth used by voice comm linked to 'rate' to provide higher quality speech? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Napalm
22:36 6/10/2001
Deean you f***ing pratt. Valve must be f***ing paying you to say all this good s*** about ver 1.3.
You blind f***witt, 1.3 is a f***up, lag, headshots, the whole f***ing lot.

And WHAT THE f*** is up with all these motherf***ing missing files that the lazy ass, slow f***s miss out with each f***ing release. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Major Problem @ [GKN
00:23 7/10/2001
Heh Napalm nothing like articulate intelligent comment is there......Ive been playing CS pretty much since the dark ages (or when it first came out) and my response to 1.3 is as follows: Voice comms - having used Roger Wilco for ages anyway it wasnt exactly the 8th wonder of the world to see comms appear in 1.3. and i tend to mute it anyway on public servers to prevent pre-pubescent screeching in my ears. Lag? i havent experienced any probs relative to 1.1. Headshots - now this i admit is p***ing me off more than a little, yes i know its the same for all of us but even so there frequency has become excessive. Maps - survivor is class the others are average (but a damn site better than Rotterdam and Thunder - two cretinous efforts if ever i saw some)All in all 1.3 is ok but thats it - spectacular it isnt. I for one still feel that CS is missing that little component that would really light the fire once again,what that is i dont know but lets hope it arrives in future versions. BTW the AK is no different to 1.1 - some of you lot obviously cant shoot staright. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
*****
07:10 7/10/2001
i have been playin this game for about 1yr almost so i started with 1.0 then 1.1 and now 1.3 i have found that i loved each release i think that voice comm is excellent adding extra realism to the game. My only complaint is that i am a experieced and addicted CS playa and i must say that the headshot box is tooo big in 1.1 i could land headshots at will, u say it was flukey to get a headshot well j00 musnt have had your Res turned up or something cause i could always get headshot and was often accused of cheating...which i take as a complement seeing that i dont cheat. Yea well thats my complaint the head hits are happening all over the place newbs and ppl called Player are getting headshots tahts just not right...
PEacE OuT. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
No_Skill_CS_Player
05:15 1/11/2001
Damn ppl, blame this and blame that... Yeah blame the newbie who headshot u... why ?? coz they just cant aim at another player head.. most of them just aim at body level(the biggest part) and actually the game "recoil" system raise the bullet up and get an easy headshot... end story.
BTW, when u fire a gun at a wall in CS, u can c the mark on it.. but it is a kind of prediction only... the mark where u hit might not represent what the server see u hit the target... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Nobody
14:09 28/11/2001
I can't believe you guys
Cliffe or Goose have to change the T secondary gun because it sucks? Thats so lame. If you pratice with the gun you will get better with it. I used to suck with the Glock as well, but then I started using it for whole maps, only buying armor and ammo, sure, I would be lucky to get 8 kills a map, but now I can bust out the headshots like there is no tomorrow, and do you know why?

Because I pratice and use the gun to my advantage, a pistol that has a 20bullet clip size has some serious advantages over the DE or USP, also, if you shoot someone with the Glock notice how the stop moving? wait, I guess you don't, cause the gun sucks, but anyway, you can shoot them in the chest and they will pretty much stop moving, casuing some rapid fire shots into they're face means they will die, all the time you are taking damage, but still running, making yourself hard to hit.

Before you abuse something, learn it then see how you like it. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
anooy
19:03 28/2/2002
i have no sympathy for anyone on a 56k, i believe it is the year 200 f***ING 2, get cable or dsl damn it [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Tayzer
05:26 7/5/2002
sups i don't want to criticize valve or anything..i'm pretty sure they heard enough, but i just don't understand why they had to change cs 1.3..i personally though it was the best version made..i know that when every new version that is release...people complain..i also complain...but when cs 1.2 upgraded to 1.3 i adapted and like the game...but when 1.4 came out their was no need for me to adapt to it...i nearly master cs 1.3 and 1.4 only limited some of my skills in 1.3...so now i have no reason to play in 1.4..because the game is so easy..it's like made for a 10 year old..if i was a newb i probs master it in three months and then what ...it gets boring...in 1.3 their were so many thing to learn that it would of taken months or even years to master...but 1.4 is not the same..i played cs because it was unique, and not entire real, and that was what made it so fun..but now it's just like any other game...The deal with the head shots is that there is no need to change it...i don't know why peeps complain..give it 6 months and you'll probs b the master at headshots in 1.3...u just can't expect it to come to u out of the blues..but in 1.4 u dun't have to try and headshots just appear...i sometimes get headshotted in stray bullets..it's too much...much props to valve for tryin to improve the game, but please take advices from long time cs players...they understand the game and know what is needed to be fix..not just listen to complains by random peeps...it's entirely unfair the faithfull advance cs players that spend all their time to master the game..only to find out that the majority of their skills would be useless in cs 1.4..and about the cheaters..common they are easy to spot ...if you don't want to be a victim play in a server with admins....they only thing i truely like about 1.4 is the first person mode..finally peeps don't accuse veteran cs players a cheater...please take my advice because i know what the majority cs players want with cs...1.4 is too much of a change...is an entirely new game, which does not deserve the name "counter-strike" Thanxz.. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Tayzer
05:30 7/5/2002
sorry bouts my sloppy writing and grammer [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
john
05:41 7/5/2002
if the jump still worked than there wouldn't be complaints about the glock. In cs 1.3 the only way to kill the opponent is to jump aroud with the glock. Now it is too difficult just by straiffing. Common only so many ways to play cs in 1.4. "Very boring" I need some real action. Camping becomes very boring after a while because it's too hard to rush and kill two guys now. The hltv is kewl, but the rest "gottah go". If you are good then you can kill your enimies. Even if u thought some of the weapons in 1.3 was cheap. I don't have trouble killing good players with other weapons. Why should you. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ak
05:53 7/5/2002
you say that the ak has not change? You must be smokin pot..pretty s***ty thought for a long time cs player..The ak now recoils more than before.. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ak
05:53 7/5/2002
you say that the ak has not change? You must be smokin pot..pretty s***ty thought for a long time cs player..The ak now recoils more than before.. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Jobbie
14:33 4/10/2002
sorry but i totally disagree with your map comments, apart from Storm, yes storm is very good, survivor is ok,( not a classic)

but your taking the p*** about Torn, yes it may be a nice looking map, but in all honesty it sucks big time, it is far to big, big, big, big its c**k, one of the worst maps ever. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Smittins
13:56 18/10/2002
cor 1.3 was f***ing w**k [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
007kurapica
02:52 5/12/2002
I love playing counter-strike &also I love being a coun ter terror b-cause I dont have to buy secondary riffle.

007kurapica [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Targeter
11:09 14/1/2003
wow...thats a whole lot of b***h1in and whining....um if ya guys are finding that noobs can get headshots easily, shouldnt u "pro's" be getting even more? if ya think ur so good, u should be owning the noob b4 he comes up and pops ur head since its "so easy to get a head shot" [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
tha 7th sign
11:55 20/1/2003
you are right! you guys are a bunch of bit**es! if you guys are so good, then you should be able to adjust to 1.3's changes. Hell, i've been playing cs since it's BETA version. But everytime valve releases a new version, i still WHOOP ASS! So less talk and more practice kiddies! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
kristan10
08:45 8/4/2003
please post some cheats in cs 1.3 [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
kristan10
08:49 8/4/2003
.............? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
kristan10
08:49 8/4/2003
.............? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
tantan
06:39 4/5/2003
si karlie no match saken!!!!!!! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
saddakoh
08:54 21/7/2003
hey!! conterstrike fans, who among you have the guts to fight me one on one in any map?? im the greatest cs player here in the philipines. i have won many tournaments. i have master head shot , e-move, bunny humps, jumping skills and i love to use knife to you addbots.. thats all folks..... suck it??? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Lahatkausupot
02:14 10/8/2003
panis kau lahat sakin mahirap ng lumaban ng patas ngaun kung d gagamit ng cl_lc gagamit ng ex_interp mga mandaraya! isa na lang ako na magaling na d gumagamit ng pandaraya! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shorty
00:41 18/8/2003
i f***ing hate counter strike who made this crap omg i got banned for life till 2008 f*** this crapy game and i hope those makers all die man o man i want to beat you up b***h f*** you get cancer !!!!!!!!!!!!! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
LIAM58
13:10 9/1/2004
Can you tell me how I will be able to play cs on the internet raight now im new to it and need some help please [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
mestro4202
21:52 19/5/2005
i f***ing hate counter strike who made this crap omg i got banned for life till 2008 f*** this crapy game and i hope those makers all die man o man i want to beat you up b***h f*** you get cancer !!!!!!!!!!!!

Ya really, what bothers me most about CS is not CS itself but the ppl that play it. Everywhere you go, they dont want you to 'Cuss' (cue in the religious right enter stage right) when they openly embrace ppl getting shot in the virtual face... talk about walking contradictions..only in my sad, sad america. Now I see a 'Christian' server for css.. WTF? whats next? the CSS bible mod? The cherry on top tho is the lameness of CS players.. people dont seem to care if teams are stacked play on obvilviously when the score is 20 to 1. They could only do so much to make the game balanced as it requires human intelligence (which is not sorry to say meseared by just the lenght of your c**k and you 'rank' on a server) and that is something totally lacking. Oh ya the voice chat thing sux..its fuzzy as hell and it cant even be turned off..nice functionality guys. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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