Staying Power?

The idea for this article came to me after reading a news post about the current happenings in CSGN and how Forsaken, Intrigue and Atari Crew have all recently folded or gone inactive. This got me thinking about what it means to be a successful clan, and more importantly, a long-lasting one. This is the area I wish to focus on for now however given my usual rambling style I'm sure I'll probably touch on a few other topics along the way.

These days, if you take the legitimate approach to CS and clan play, it takes a little longer than a couple of weeks to gel effectively as a team. When I started playing five years ago, match tactics were almost unheard of and very rough and ready affairs, today however a lot more sophistication is involved. The more complicated something becomes, the easier it is for it to go wrong, so naturally more practice is required to master it. Let's take a quick look at some stereotypical clan types and my idea of how they'd attack the problem I posed above.

The 'Young' Clan

Typical membership, 6-10 people of ages between 13 and 16.

These are people taking their first tentative steps into the big, bad world of competitive gaming and are probably playing in Enemydown and/or Clanbase.

This type all congregate on MSN having not been exposed to the seedy IRC world of the hardcore gamer just yet. They generally play on publics together and don't really play PCW's, the only time a match comes up is after a squabble with another clan on a server or they're playing an official ladder game. This type enjoy playing, consider it fun and aren't overly concerned if they lose. Some may even cheat, as to them it really isn't a serious affair. They'd likely call me nuts for considering the 'problem' above to be a problem.

The 'Old' Clan

Typical membership, up to 40 people of ages 21 and up.

These people discovered CS, usually through a mate, and enjoy playing the game in much the same way as the type above.

Essentially treat as you would the 'Young' clan. On balance, probably less likely to cheat.

The 'First Real' Clan

Typical membership, 6-10 people of ages 14 to 17.

Your average clan made up of people who've been playing for a little while and are attempting to take the next step in terms of success, possibly having entered the lower divisions of a competition such as CSGN.

Made up of people who've been playing for a short while and feel they have what it takes to play at a better level, often made up of the best players from a circle of clans who all meet up to play on the same servers. Some success would have been had in ladders previously so with the new team made up of the most amazing players they know, how can these people fail to get to anywhere but the top?!

There you go, expectations are high and apparently justified after they've creamed all their old clans and friends so the push for the top begins! Practices and games are played more often, and IRC in all it's esoteric glory has been discovered. The likelihood of malicious cheating is now greatly increased however this type are starting to discover the importance of good teamplay and so will spend maybe an hour or so trying out ideas every week, some of which will work. The learning process begins!

The 'L33t' Clan

Typical membership, 5-6 people of ages 15 to 18.

Probably the most common type of clan on Quakenet, and likely to be active in every competition they hear about.

This is the first type of clan we're probably all familiar with, and indeed most of us have probably been in one at some point or other. These boys live and breathe CS, they probably spend a lot of their time at school staring at a plan view of Dust 2 trying to gain inspiration for some new super tactic. Playing CS for around 8 hours a day each assuming they occasionally have other things to do, if not, it's likely to be more. These are the people spamming for a PCW every hour on the hour, every day and so on believing teamplay will gradually form.

The 'Experienced' Clan

Typical membership, 6-12 people of ages 18 to 30.

Probably the second most common type of clan on Quakenet and likely to be competing in a select few competitions against people they've known online or at LAN for a while.

People that realise going pro just isn't a realistic opportunity for them. These are your SCEE's and your Meatyballs types (oh sorry, forgot Wrinklies!). Most have played for donkeys years and maintain a decent skill level by playing intelligently as opposed to having the aim and reflexes of Puss in Boots on speed. This type have also met each other at LAN's several times and probably socialise together occasionally as they are all genuine friends.

There you go, an extremely broad sweep of some of the types of clan you're likely to come across in your CS wanderings, but how likely are you to actually get to know them because the clan survives longer than two weeks?

Well, in all honesty the people who frequent this website aren't likely to have too many dealings with the New and Old types of clan so we can discount them. The First Real type then.

This bunch have been probably been playing together on publics for a while anyways so chances are they already get on. They don't play an excessive amount of CS and probably enjoy moderate success somewhere in the middle of a CS ladder, depending upon individual attitudes within the team, I would expect to keep coming across this side every now and again. So the chances of them staying together, albeit with the odd roster change, are quite good.

The next step up then is the L33t clan, who I think we're all familiar with. The single biggest factor in deciding the longevity of this clan is individual attitudes, particularly that of the leader. The second biggest factor is the age of the members. Thinking back to when I was this age, my friends and I used to spend lots of time together playing football and whatever else, and if we got narked with each other, we'd go off and sulk for a while before making up and carrying on as normal. If you go off and sulk for a day or two and you're a member of a L33t clan, BEWARE! Chances are your 'unprofessional attitude' and 'immaturity' will have got you kicked from the clan, or worse suspended for a few matches! Which causes another cycle of bickering and sulking, repeat ad infinitum or until someone quits.

The Experienced clan then? Typically made up of people who've experienced most of the clan types mentioned, have played at a decent level both online and at LAN and have probably enjoyed some form of success at some point in their history, along with some form of notoriety (eh DK?). The realisation that you're not going to go to the CPL finals, ever. And the realisation that it is after all nothing more than a game is the primary factor in moving to being 'experienced', and not really age although most people who you could lump into this category have probably been playing CS for at least 3 years and are likely to be over 21. As said before, these guys are friends away from CS aswell after having known each other online for a few years and having met at LAN events, they probably even throw fireworks parties for each other! This clan has already survived for a couple of years, the chances of it going under due to anything other than personal commitments taking priority over a game, are slim.

The more shrewd among you have probably grasped the point I've been making throughout, and the less shrewd are probably laughing at the more shrewd for being so slow, but I'm still going to make it anyway. The key factor is for people to be friends and get along, and up to the age of 20 or so, this will be helped significantly by members being of a similar age. Above that age everyones starting to lose hairs and turn deaf anyway, so generally people get told to shut up and stop being a whining fairy.

When you think about it, the amount of time you will spend playing CS with your teammates once you get sucked into the community is, for the pro's among us, almost equivalent to a full-time job. Couple this with the pressure (due to desire) to succeed and become a 'name', the relative immaturity of people at that age and the instability of their personal lives (family, education, girls or whatever) and the reason why sides in the UK struggle to maintain stability becomes clearer. Maybe if the side were based around a LAN cafe things would be different as in Scandinavia, but in the UK we don't have any suitable cafes and the ones we do have are of a pitiful standard in comparison to those abroad. So (the younger) people try and maintain everything online and by text message, and given many people's eHero attitudes in IRC and ingame, exacerbated by strange things happening to testicles and voices, and the reason for folding is pretty much there. Whether this is a UK phenomenon or not I'm unsure, but personally I'd be surprised if the average age of successful clans in any country is under 18. Obviously there are a few exceptions, but in the main I think that's a fair comment.

Now before anyone starts, I'm not criticising any of the clans I mentioned at the start of this article for their inactivity, I don't know the reasons however they are probably valid. A lot of the examples I've given have been extreme in order to make my point, but I hope I've got it accurate enough that a lot of you will be familiar with what I've said.

Be realistic with your expectations of yourself and your team. If you're under 16 you ain't going to the CPL anyway, and if you are 16, chances are your parents won't be too keen on you going to UK competitions let alone Dallas. Chill out, be friends and try to enjoy it.

Make love not war, unless it's a practice clan one! (For that I'm truly sorry, awful, AWFUL pun)

Comments

DK
Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate
12:19 4/11/2004
Pretty accurate read. I think SCEE have been most of those stereotypes mentioned, with the exception of the 1337 clan. I'm glad we're the clan we are. I wouldn't change a thing.

The fact remains however, the UK scene won't change because their will always be cheats and there will always be players in top teams that EXPECT and even DEMAND some sort of respect or attention because they're good at CS. These players normally realise a year or so down the line what plonkers they've been and either quit or settle in one of the experienced teams. I'm sure the UK scene would be more supportive if our best clans didn't contain such players. Alas that's not the way things are or will ever be.

So I'll just continue to be a nasty c*** to 90% of them for my own selfish amusement!

clan #naughty (aka seseme street) are in their transition from 'young' to 'real clan' even bordering on '1337'. You can see neh0e commenting on everything like he's some sort of authority lately! Sit up and acknowledge this boy, he knows his s***! [ Score: 2, informative | Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
JaK
12:45 4/11/2004
Good read [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DArren
elemental
12:50 4/11/2004
hmm good read :) pretty accurate aswell, missing 1 type of clan tho 'ex cheat clan', home to ex cheaters who become infamous amongst 12yr olds after a few gd results on lan and online, and flamed by the 'old' gamers who constantly remind people that they cant be trusted and are tossers

<3 [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Weebull
15:38 4/11/2004
Weird, I swear I posted here before I left for uni earlier. Anyways, good read! I've forgotten most of the points I was going to make. :( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Valar`
The Anti-DoZ
15:50 4/11/2004
Haha, Weebull@twilightzone.com

have a think, come back ;) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DK
Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate
15:57 4/11/2004
You tried to post here when he linked it in the shoutbox didnt you! I did the same but it logs you out as it wasn't published in the articles section at the time and all my effort was wasted :/ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Undone^
ForsakeN
16:06 4/11/2004
dont think forsaken have folded or gone inactive d00d, they've just left CSGN.
i've left, danneh's quit cs. they've recruited hotshot and shaq plays quite a bit. 6 man active team,
Silva, Meth, Atemi, Venom, Hotshot and ShaQ.
gl guys :)) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Valar`
The Anti-DoZ
16:25 4/11/2004
my apologies for being an uninformed moron :( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
bl1nded
17:09 4/11/2004
nice read [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Undone^
ForsakeN
17:55 4/11/2004
nps blud, nice read ;D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
darkst0rm
the demonic radicals
18:38 4/11/2004
just ignore neh00000e or nehOOO and his lover tabOOOO whatever they call themselves [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Kemistry
fluid element
02:00 5/11/2004
dunno what you'd class us as, i think we're one of the longest running clans in the UK [running longer than choke and maybe SCEE?], but we're all 17-25 :E. I suppose experienced [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ensnare
Atari.Crew
02:46 5/11/2004
Nice article.

Atari had died really before csgn, we attempted to get a team together for csgn but all but me and dale were inactive with uni/no net connection :(

We were forced to recruit three members and unfortunatly due to lack of time picked two who were not up to the job and decided to call it a day after just over a year :). [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
bKz
05:37 5/11/2004
good read paul :P i think noC was one a them first real clans :P

long time no see :P ur going up in thwe world with your cs posting abilities :D:D:D:D:D

holla @ me on irc sometime bruv

nice read btw ciao [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Venomous
BLACKLiGHT
11:21 5/11/2004
you've left now have you indy? i thought it was inactive from cs, soon as you got your bnc taken ! :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Venomous
BLACKLiGHT
11:24 5/11/2004
oh nice article btw valar, i think the teams that have survived the longest deserve more respect than the high skilled teams who fold day in day out desperate for attention. They know who they are ;) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DK
Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate
12:51 5/11/2004
Kemistry, if you're a beta 1 clan, haven't folded or went inactive or changed names and have the same core player/s then maybe. I don't think choke are that old? Before choke was dk.toxic.eu.something which had several of them same members that founded choke. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Kemistry
fluid element
15:17 5/11/2004
Yeah, i think its either beta 1 or 2. We still got a few of the same members, but most of the oldschool people have moved on now and arent online anymore or dont play cs, like wlz and st_george. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ripper
Rush!
15:52 5/11/2004
Rush! are probably the oldest clan in the UK. Coming upto 45 years as a team now i think. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
M4ce
intensiveSports
12:29 9/11/2004
nice read

me and my mates play in an unclassified clan tho as we're underground o.0 playing as a clan but avoiding all the UK CS BS.

good article tho

^_^ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Pax
15:57 9/11/2004
:o SCEE been around that long?, Respect. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
reddy
gameSlave
20:49 9/11/2004
[-PSi-] 4 ever ¬_¬

Another clan that was oldskool and fits the 'Experienced' Clan sterotype :o They are beta 1 too i think :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
HeRb|Azrael
HeRb
04:32 10/11/2004
Great Read first and foremost. But it does bring to my attention a few key factors. In the UK gaming is still looked at as the domain of geeks and billy no mates, whereas in may european countries its seen as a reasonable pastime. Hence the difference between SE and UK clans. Im also aware that the sudden change in CS since the retail release has brought a new element to the game, players who have the reflexs and aim but lack the community feel that was present back in the betas. HeRb have been up and down the UK rankings so much its sick as have SCEE as DK previously clarified. At no point however have we been 1337s or wannabes, we just play for fun and if we win BONUS!

So to all the old school clans out there, we are with you and support you all the way. And all the new clans GL HF, just remember its a game - be polite, dont cheat and SERIOUSLY F*** THEIR S*** UP!!!! :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
HooV
15:11 10/11/2004
Nice 'Article' Val`, you flash git :)

Some thought-provoking & well placed comments, although one or two of them in the 'Old Clan' section are a bit wide of the mark. But hey, I'm a nitpicker extraordinaire...

I never went for the 'pro' thing, even when I was playing several hours a day 2-3 years back. Never really interested me, but then, like a few people here, I am older than the average online gamer and have always had 'life' commitments (financial or otherwise).

I've known several people who have graduated from the mid-teen 'fun' category to the late-teen 'wannabe pr0' arena. Most didn't realise how big a step up it would be (in terms of skill, effort & pressure) and therefore went back to the 'fun' domain with their mates.

Jesus, when I think of some of the characters I've stumbled across over the last 4 years... some real loonies out there, many of whom were totally consumed not just by CS, but their whole online existence. Madness.

I've now settled for somewhere in between the 'Old' & the 'Experienced' - let's call it 'Generation X-SAGA'

:) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
stabby
Virgins!
06:34 11/11/2004
very nice article and a good read.. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Kemistry
fluid element
02:37 12/11/2004
eheh Reddy i remember playing PHASIC SHIFT INC! on cs_docks :D and cs_tire. man what a map [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Katori
Choke
15:40 17/11/2004
Yeh coming up to about 3 years for Choke now. SCEE & fl.e always been around and competing for as long as i can remember.

We know we'll still be here long after 98% of all the "up n coming" teams have come, hacked, denied, bragged, got owned on lan and folded....all inside 2 months :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
oldlady
11:18 6/12/2004
but me and dale were inactive with uni/no net connection :(


Yet he manages to post on near enough every post / message board / forums

funny that [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ghetto
03:02 12/12/2004
Nice Read :-) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Rav0r
Croydon
05:02 12/12/2004
dont think monkeymagic fits anywhere in there :? interesting-rish read [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
rekkiem
ForsakeN
12:11 12/12/2004
what the...val you told me wrinklies were going cpl quals, that was my calling card... why tell me like this? huh? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shaddix
endeffect
12:16 12/12/2004
roa 4 life h0h0h0 [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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