Counter-Strike and cheating.....

In the very early days of CS there was only the hardcore group of players who had given up TFC and decided to hear this mod out. Most of the players were LPB's and there were few servers. As a CS newbie back then I was an HPB and was to be honest, crap.

The thought never popped into my head to accuse any of the other players of cheating. Even though they had a 40 ping and I was lagging away at 350 I just moaned about the unfair teams if anything. Whether or not those players I encountered were cheating will be a mystery because there were a fair share of cheats and exploits back then. gm_ilovefanny the round restarter etc. I would bet that people also knew about gl_zmax back then too.

Nevertheless when cheats were probably at their HIGHEST no one complained. People just had fun and enjoyed this exciting new modification. With each beta it got better and still the accusations of cheating remained low. Around beta 5 I think gl_zmax (see through walls) became known and that started the ball rolling. gl_zmax wasn't widely used, but the majority of regular players at least knew about it. I for one used it on a few occasions, but not in clan matches for *SD* I might add.

At beta 5 CS was arguably at its prime. It was one big hype show. All the online / off-line gaming magazines had nothing but praise for the mod and the coverage was astounding. Apart from gl_zmax, people were on the whole too busy playing the game than worrying about "cheats".

Then all of a sudden the spike model cheat popped up. This cheat involved changing the player models with either huge blocks or standard players with spikes coming form all directions so you could see them coming around corners etc. There were variations including huge gun models so that the guns stuck out for miles. Pictures appeared on the CS forums and the game public was angry that this was happening. Beta 6 was released to a hungry gaming public with great expectation and bombed heavily. The whole game dynamics had been altered. New maps replaced old favorites, new game modes had major flaws and the run speed was cut in half and finally the gun aiming system was completely changed. The players were pissed off with this and CS to this day has never recovered.

Cheaters want attention, that is why they cheat. They may be crap players who need the extra edge, they may be bored with the current game or they may just want to have a laugh at the expense of others. But the fact remains they love the attention that cheating brings. With Counter-Strike being the most popular game at that moment the cheat creators were obviously drawn to it because they can get a far wider audience than by messing up Q3/UT and so on.

There are other factors I think have made CS the most hacked game ever. Being a mod it hasn't a professional group of coders working on it. Granted Barking Dog added a bit to the code in Beta 5, but the majority of the code was done by an amateur - Gooseman. The sheer amount of bugs made it so easy to exploit. Also the fact that it is based on the old Quake engine doesn't help, as I understand the source code for this has been released so the hackers/exploiters have the opportunity to get deeper into the game.

Shortly after the release of Beta 6 the cheats came out in force. The now infamous fortresscheats released a working wallhack. The spiked model cheaters made a revenge and dozens of other console scripts and cheats were widely available. Examples are the team change script, lambert, walk cheat... I could go on. These cheats put a dent in the credibility of Counter-Strike and then when various clanbase clans were caught cheating whole clans have been accused of cheating, simply because of their success.

Version 6.5 then came along with the joke netcode and a whole new set of "fixer uppers" to stop the cheats...or so they thought. Welcome the Proxies. Proxy programs, that is programs that operate from a separate .exe and change packets sent to the server, bypassing HL (forgive me if I get the technicalities of this incorrect) were created to do various things. There was the proxy for enabling spiked models, one for stopping smoke grenades and then there was the infamous headshot bot.

Until very recently if anyone was being called a cheat it would be a "headshot bot/script/proxy" cheat. I have tried a couple of the more widely available proxies and they are shite...they don't work at all. Without a doubt though I reckon there are a few proper headshot proxy programs about but not shared by anyone but the creaters friends. Just like with any game mod there is always going to be a few people who have cracked the code or found the exploit that enables them to do this. Of course they would never release it. Why? Because if it is released everyone will be aware of it and it will be patched. By keeping quiet they can use the cheat without "detection" even on "pure" servers with proxy scanners. I doubt that any highly rated clans have access to these because the admins would detect the constant high quality of the players and more likely the fact that all the top rated clans play at LAN parties. And obviously no one can cheat at those. There is also the high likelyhood that the knowledge of these cheats would be leaked.

So, I have pointed out the cheats of the past, and why I think there are so many cheats now. But one thing that astounds me is that the top clans still get accused of cheating. I'm going to take an example that I know all the facts about, my clan 4Kings / B!TCH. I have been with 4Kings to 2 LAN events and played on PC's provided by the event, one didn't even allow us access to our configs. Yet at both, serious accusations of cheating were made and at one even the admins had to check through the entire server logs to prove our innocence. But WHY do Counter-Strike players get accused of cheating so frequently? Again there are a few possible reasons for this in my eyes.

The simple fact is the huge number of cheats that have plagued Counter-Strike in its past and present have hurt the mod. When you shoot your enemy for the 3rd time in a row they get pissed off, I feel the same way when it happens to me. I just take a moment to try and calm down and move on. But others even highly experienced players say "cheater!!!" and the other players listen, and due to the shady past of CS and the fact they have most probably been screwed bye cheater before they stick up for them. To be honest I have called other players cheaters in my ignorance, [marine]b0b for example. This just goes to show that even experienced players do worry about cheating because of the points discussed above.

One final reason for people being called cheats is the "random" value of Counter-Strike. With instant headshot deaths even a newbie can wipe out 2 pro clanners with his TMP. There is nothing more infuriating than being wasted by a lucky shot from someone not even aiming for you, but you just have a take a deep breath and chill.

To conclude, I feel that in the majority of cases the person being accused of cheating on a server is probably not doing anything wrong. He could be playing better than you or just be having a good day, but because of the number of cheats, bugs and exploits that have made up Counter-Strike's past you feel inclined to go for the easy excuse for your death. Not skill, not luck but cheating.

Oh and bunnyhopping is NOT a script by the way.

Comments

Stalks
05:08 1/12/2000
Excellent peice of work, a brilliant insight to the mind of 90% if not all CS players if not all. The cheating aspect of CS is something that needs documented more. Everyone gets accused of cheats and most accusations are unjust. At i6 I had the chance to meet a lot of CS players, all playing very well, and also the chance to walk and see then actually play, and of course, they weren't cheating. I think what people dont realise is that a large portion of CS is luck.

keep up the good work, great peice of writing :o) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Amnion
10:36 1/12/2000
There is a headshot script and it works well.

But you need to put the mouse sensitivity right down to about 3 (my normal is about 20). So i couldn't really use it very well, but if i had practiced i would have been able to get a headshot every time.

I don't like cheating at all, infact when i used the cheats (i've tried um all) it just felt wrong. So i only tried each cheat for about 10 mins.

Also, the site which you get the headshot bot from (not going to say the site, duh!) had more than 30 thousand downloads.

Around about 1 in 16 people use a cheat. That's one person cheating on every server... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
aGGReSSoR
16:19 1/12/2000
nothing i hate more then getting booted off a server after getting i nice score up
and i am a very inconsistant player, ill have good
games, bad games, and amazing games..
and when i do, do good i get booted....
and good write up........ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
THINK
17:18 1/12/2000
gj man, keep it up

I have never tried cheats, but i would like too, just to see how it is so i can get to know it better so i would to know if others are cheating when i am playing against them. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Fuzzi-Fox
17:24 1/12/2000
Lemme correct myself on one thing, I didn't mean to insult my mate in anyway there =) just stating a fact. I love him very very much :D

Fuzzi-Fox [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Aseban
17:24 1/12/2000
Hey foxie i am learning ya know, lol...and i can kick your tail at times. Oh, and um...cheating sucks, think if most of the ones who kick my ass around would turn off their hacks they would be a bit more like me. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Fuzzi-Fox
17:27 1/12/2000
You do more then that to my tail at times hon ;)
*snickers*
its embarris your mate day here =)

Fuzzi-Fox [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Aseban
17:29 1/12/2000
*blushes* i embarrased.

oh yea, um..cheats suck too, or did i already say that once, i cant remember..need sleep. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
oSkar
17:52 1/12/2000
Good points all round, but I think the new netcode has a bit to do with it too. I remember playing on de_aztec in a game where this guy Lerxst kept headshotting everybody. It looked real dodgy, especially when he managed to headshot me and this other guy at about the same instant even tho we would have been about 45 degrees apart from his pov.
Then I thought it was an aimbot, but now i think about it it was probably just lag catching up, since I had just popped out from behind the other guy who was shot.
Now I got a cable modem I want to see if Lerxst can do that again :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
[SAB]Smoke
17:59 1/12/2000
i just ban everybody from my server..
cheats are fun.. and cheaters are stupid.. get banned from a server that youget a 30 ping on .. just isn't a bright idea..
but oh well they cheating.obviously they arne't to bright [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Sir_Knumskull
20:12 1/12/2000
The thing I find most hilarious is that most people who cheat aren't accused of it. The real hardcore cheaters (like me) know how to disguise it so that no one knows if your cheating or not. I've been cheating since 6.5 and have never once been accused of cheating, even my cheating comrades have never been accused. But even with spiked models and all this other crap; Cheating still hasn't really played an enormous role in CS. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Maxx_Thrash
20:42 1/12/2000
Unfortunately you can't really stop people from cheating if they want to. I've seen people using Roger Wilco to report locations after they die, which has nothing to do with CS code.
Some servers disallow Free Look, which makes it more boring after you die. As usual the end result of cheating is making the game less fun for everyone. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
JERRY
21:21 1/12/2000
Joke netcode? Umn not really. Its better than the old one and helps us 56k gamers have a chance to whoop up on you LPBs. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Johnny Utah
21:43 1/12/2000
I've never used any cheat available, its simply gayness. If you have to use a cheat then you plain and simple suck. I'm sure if I was a cheater i'd be mopping up all the time, but I don't and I'm ok with that, some days I'm on, some days i'm off...s*** happens, I have DSL and my ping isn't as nice as most players for some reason which is out of my hands but I tend to do alright with it. I don't need cheats to get an edge...for me good teamwork (which doesn't always happen) does it for me. I knew that cheating was rampant on alot of servers but never really grasped the extent of the problem. It's pretty sad really. I should be resolved if you think aboot it, Vavle does have stake in CS now considering they are charging $$$ for standalone versions, why are they not addressing this problem. I'd be seriously concerned with a product that I am endorsing with so many cheat related problems. Ahhh, what do I know, I'm just a consumer. Thats all I have to say. Play nice kids! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
[cWs]Anaconda
21:50 1/12/2000
Cheating suxors !!! Nuff said....bye [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Morius
22:06 1/12/2000
gotta love it when you get a great game but then you gotta hate it when the newbie you saw run behind the wall say that your a cheating b****** cause you got him through the wall.... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
EmX
22:08 1/12/2000
Cheats....Well cheats exist today in CS and in every online game whether u like it or not. I'ts not paranoia, its not "luck", Its not "skill", people cheat and always will. It is a part of human nature to want to have an edge even if its cheating (steroids for example). I downloaded a cheat to see what these sons of b***hes were up to and it was a program that detected a certain value running in another program that allowed u to change that value. So lets say u look in hl.exe and find the health value, 100, and you edit it to say "999" theoretically you have 999 health. Now im not saying that people use this becuase i have not seen it at all but it does scare me. Also if someone sux and they kill you you should just swallow your pride and move on. Remember its just a game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I do this all to often. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
BoookyChoooky
22:30 1/12/2000
You all are gay that's all I have to say, so spray your words someother day! not here nor there or anywhere cause I will never ever really care. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
JoePike
23:28 1/12/2000
The game would be great and their would be alot less accusations if it werent luk when you shoot the weapons. It should be named LUCKYSTRIKE. :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Garf
23:47 1/12/2000
BEST COLUMN EVER!
THE WRITER SHOULD BE PAID FOR THAT!!!!!!
Now to move on to what i wanted to post about
CANADA OWNZ USA
Canada Ownz USA because:
Canada has more mountains
USA is full of fat lazy ppl
Gooseman is from America
Americans are all VERY loud!!! "HI THERE MR TIGER" [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Inner Thigh
01:02 2/12/2000
A good article there. People occusing of cheating is more of a problem than cheating itself in my opinion. I get occused of cheating quite a lot but i have never downloaded a cheat or seen of anything i could change myself to cheat, the onlything that i do that isnt exactly normal is hostage jumping, which isnt cheating at all in my opinion, and it makes u more vunerable anyway.

But basically people are too paranoid, only occuse someoen of cheating if you have proof, like a confession or that you have followd him in the chase cam for ages....

oh, and TMP rules, it can make some flukey shots but i got quite a few 4 bullet kills with it, and the mac-10 is even better than the TMP and if you're not lagging you can use both with ease oif you have a good aim. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
lTCOl_DarkAssasin
05:31 2/12/2000
The one thing that I hate, is that when some one is totally kicking ass, getting headshots on every other kill, and he is gettin' like 5 kills a round, when all the people in the server just turn on him and say that he is cheating when he is just a kick ass player, everyone is so quick to jump to the conclusion that that guy, who is gettin' mad killz, is cheating. They have said it to me a couple of times, and I just hate it so much. When you get people like that who criticise and say that you are cheating, it means that you are better than them and that they suck total ba**s! I wish cheats were un detectable though, I would use them all the time, hehe, I have only done it once but the admin enabled it so, i don't know what you would call that, it was no gravity, but I don't that is a cheat anyway. To anyone that hasn't tryed no gravity, do it becuz it is awesome! Oh yeah, and by the way, great insight! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
[SG]Laughing Gravy
08:04 2/12/2000
Cheating is blown out of all proportion. Too often, exceptionally good players are simply branded cheats by those who simply cannot even begin to comprehend how someone could possibly play that well.

Most game cheats are picked up and used by the truly hopeless who cannot cover up what they're doing, and still remain hopeless. I think that for a CS cheat to be usefull, it has to be used by someone with some skill, and I feel happy that all the skillful players I play against aren't using cheats.

I also think that the very thin line between success (being alive) and failure (being dead) in CS means that good players can still thrash (soundly) llama's who are trying to use a game cheat inconspicously. If someone is blatantly using a cheat then that can also be catered for and you can leave the server and deny them their "fun".

Cheats are much more harmfull in "open" games where you simply respawn and carry on, because there's no end to the cycle of cheating, unless they leave or get kicked.

News sites and the CS developers should do more to explain what is and isn't a "cheat". I, for one, am sick of being branded a cheat just because I picked up that AK during the first "ghost" round, while everyone reconnected :)

Tom. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
[Sk8COr]Pegster
08:34 2/12/2000
Yeah that was a good article m8 and I think you highlighted some important points there. The main problem these days ( as well as all those llama cheaters ) is the losers who whever they die even if it was a straight forward head shot from point blank range - seem to scream out CHEAT! at every available oppurtunity. I played aztec once got 3 headshots in the space of 4 seconds and then have half the server voting me out - because these 3 gang together and decide to get rid of the 'cheat'.

I never used cheats I don't even know where you get them from :D But i have seen them used - like yesterday when someone was using an invisibility cheat! He actually had the audacity to say "hehe I'm invisible, bring it on"

Liked the article m8 - hopefully there are many more people who don't like the cheaters out there. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ZiEgE
10:33 2/12/2000
Its a real shame i done really play cs too much but i played it a little at i6 and the quality of the players was amasing its a shame to the cs community that such things happen.
Cheats are well to say the least lame why, surly the idea of playing multiplayer games is that its ur skillz vs the next guyz.
I think its mainly people who wanna do 1 of 2 thing by cheating 1)make themselves look good or 2)have a bit of fun.
well how much fun is it dying every time you walk 3 inches.
I think the q2 community suffed from cheats and most of em have now progressed onto CS, still u cant ask the games makers to do anything as the problem is mainly client sided.
u can have as meny server checks and proxy thingy's as you want but at the end of the day if i decide im gonna hack the exe thiers nothing gonna stop me.
I dont cheat and i dont know anyone that does (not being in the cs sceen)but if someone told me they where cheating id plaster it all over every newsgroup and website i could.
Was nice 2 see what all the fuss was about cs at i6 methinks its time i started playing this game :)))
cyaz on serverz soon peeps ;) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
|bdw|Voodoo
14:46 2/12/2000
I have been around in CS since beta 5. And i have enjoyed every minute of it. I agree with everything this article says because it is all TRUE. There is no denying it. I on countless times have called people cheaters, but only because i have thought that some of my deaths have been impossible. But it is mostly down to how you play. There is always some lucky bugger that'll just shoot randomly and it hits you right in your head... I've even had times when i have been killed while around corners. In normal cases, you'd think, they are cheating. But, i put alot down to luck and also the net code.
I have argued alot about how much a personas ping affects how good they are. I've noticed that all the LPB's say the fact that they have 40 ping has nothing to do with it, they are just good. BUT, against someone with 350 ping, they have little chance. The LPB, can react faster then the HPB.
Now, just the other day, i was playing on cs_italy and this guy/gal I swear was cheating. He was a CT and probably about 90% of the time, he was competely invisible... You couldnt kill him AT ALL! his skin would flick between the normal CT skin and invisible. Everyone in the game could see it. But you will notice that the experienced gamers in CS don't randomly shout 'Cheater' at every death like all the newbie's out there. And i agree with the article, just take a deep breath, think that the guy who killed you was just lucky and get on with playing the frickin' game! Enjoy!! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Panini
17:04 2/12/2000
Well, Ive been playing CS for about 7 months and still enjoy it as much as the day I started.

CHEATS?...well, I play well, normaly in top 3 on most servers, but I have only suspected anybody of cheating in the last few days..the "Skin Cheat" or whatever the techies call it..switching skins which makes you invisible intermitently. I have seen two people using this in two days, suppose it wont be long till more people are using it.

It's good to hear someone taliking about cheating publicly, but concerning that the author almost seems to condone it:( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
pob
18:42 2/12/2000
spot on article...nice one. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Blackbeard
20:51 2/12/2000
I don't personally cheat, but I do exploit the model change bug. I tried it with other CS skins so that I would look like the enemy, but found it much more fun to just run around like a zombie. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
[-UU-]Del
01:15 3/12/2000
Yes you either are a cheater or you aren't.

But some cheaters cheat because they are crap at the game, and it's the only way they can get frags, some cheat so they can win clanmatches, some cheat for the attention, some cheat for the novelty value.

I would say that by what people have said above, I am a cheater, but not by dictionary definition, as I only use cheats that don't improve my chances of fragging in any way, I only do it for a laugh, and I when it disrupts the game, I don't repeatedly do it.

The only cheats I use are/were - the skywalking cheat on assault (that was class)

Bunnyhopping (very poorly)

and the playermodel changing script. However unlike the lamers, I dont use the invisible model, I use the helicopter one, purely cos it makes all the other people laugh out loud when they see it.

So there is another side to "cheating".

AFAIK I've only ever seen 3 people maliciously cheat for certain in the 6 months Ive been playing CS, and that was in a clanmatch. Im sure there was tons of others, but nothing obvious. I don't know if it's because UK players are not as lame as our foreign cousins (face it it's mostly yanks that go on about cheating), or because I mostly play on the newbie rich gamesinfernos :-) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DiaMonD
01:25 3/12/2000
To be honest, accusers make me more angry than the cheaters themselves. I don't care if you think someone cheats - keep it to yourself. It's like witch craft - all it takes if for one person to say "so-and-so cheats" and the whole server is in an uproar.

In my opinion, if people just stfu, then the problem would sort itself out. Less accusations = people NOT thinking about cheats, meaning less people will actually cheat, and eventually, cheats can be abolished. Of course this will take time, but what doesn't? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Real cs player
09:09 3/12/2000
Hehe, i cant belive how many of you actualy cheat or have cheated and admit it. i was of the opinion there were only a few real sickos, seems i was wrong :o( I regularily get scores like 20-1, probably because i spend more time playing the game when others are spending most of their spare time working on or trying out cheats... haha sad f****...
btw i have never tryed to make or dl a cheat, you dont need them, i have great fun useing just skill developed with practice...try playing the game as it was intended its a great rush constantly takeing down some sado who is cheating simply because you are better than them........ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
fool
14:09 3/12/2000
been playin cs since beta 5 and i been kickin ass from my 56k to my cm and i get accused of cheatin by some1 just aboot every time i play 8(
to this end i gave up playin cs and moved back to q2 and q3 really p***es me off to b called a cheat when i still dont know how to change my cfg 8) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
SoulcollectoR
00:02 4/12/2000
V nice bit of writing, have never been accused of cheating myself (think that is bad thing by sound of some of the posts here...lol) for the simple reason that i have never, will never cheat. I despise cheats in all thier forms, etc etc. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
BLiNK
16:15 4/12/2000
CS sucks it's only for stuppid teenie weenies n0skillers. Cheating Never Stops in a perfect world [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
chooh3
16:51 4/12/2000
I think cheaters should definetely stick to their wallhacks and aimbots. I mean, that way, they _might_ have a chance against me.

Entertaining article. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
GuPsTeR
21:19 4/12/2000
I have seen the Skin cheats being used before i was on nuke and low and behold a terrorist nexto to me turned into the G-man!!!!! If more cheats like this do exist could we not see more ANTI-cheats stuff coming out by friendly hackers ? like the unofficial invisible skin fix ?. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
[NEtROX]**RadamantiS
21:21 4/12/2000
Good work by an Italian Gamer :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
=[D]=FoRk
21:41 4/12/2000
Lo Nemo mate, nice writing...

Everything you said is true. Didn't realise people would be so lame to think that 4k cheat, especially at LAN games. But I know what you mean, my clan gets accused of cheating after a game of ownage, and it is the second time a ClanBase admin has had to prove our innocence.

Cheating ruins games. Fact. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
[Wu]-Masta KIllah
02:48 5/12/2000
There is a cheat that you didn't mention. The skin cheat, which has grown exponentially in popularity. It is a bind, that adjusts the setinfo of you're player model (I believe, this is what have heard from other people explaining how to do it) and you go invisible for a few seconds, then become visible until you press you're binded button. There is a fix in circulation, but i have not been able to get that to work. Maybe because i have those French girl hostages :D. But i will get them working. I'm not sure about the number of skin cheaters in the UK, but in Canadian and American servers it is increasingly bad. I just hope a fix is implemented in v1.1. I think the popularity of cheating has risen because so many newbies are playing, and people like us who have played since b1 ( b3 myself ) are too good for them so they need to cheat. They're language is also ruining the game, because all I hear after someone dies is *&(& *&(& &*&^. And the accusations of cheating have little or no validity, because I've never played anyone with a headshot script, even though i play a lot on popular servers. Then again, it could just be the Americans :D.
That's my 2 cents.

Regards,
Chris [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Hard Ball Bastard
03:15 5/12/2000
I have read the article which i found very interesting and the comments by others.
In my opinion at the end of the day if you cheat you are a sad individual who doesn't have the confidence in your own abilities. Everyone plays to their best on most occasions, sometimes bad days happen. We will never be rid of the cheats because that is their nature... to cheat. As long as you play the game and have some respect for other players you will always be a winner. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Balinor
06:56 5/12/2000
Rofl, Knumskull ive played with you. No wonder nobody accuses you of cheating, you suck! Im sure nobody cares if you cheat if your still only doing just as good as other middle-level peeps. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Cyber
09:37 5/12/2000
I just want to say, that cheats suck... I used the money-cheat in BETA 6.6, 7.0 and 7.1 against my bots, Android Bot and [POD]Bot, just for having enough money to buy the gun i want to train with. On the internet, i have seen so many servers with "sv_cheats" is "1", so i stopped with the money-&-bot training. Even now on the net, i still see servers with cheats activated, and every time i do, i disconnect and join another server. How many here doesent want cheats in Counter-Strike to stop? Or maybe i should say in entire Half-Life and the mods that follow with it? I seached for cheats for Team Fortress Classic and Counter-Strike, and the only cheats i have found working in CS is the money cheat, but in TFC i have found a cheats that does that you can get any weapon found in TFC you would like... Now THAT SUCKS!!! So my entire point in this comment is, everyone that cheats, STOP IT GOOD DAMMIT!!! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Zimon!!!
11:09 5/12/2000
hi why the hell is all using the cheatproxy???`i dont understand they are to stupid and nu the f***ing admins cant see that a person is cheating well only if his using cheatproxy if he do he can change that jgfiefug was cought using cheatproxy or whatever he can change it to YEAH!!!! or something!!! and the admins who is banning you!!! you can change your WON ID or you can change it on the servers computer in ban.txt if youre downloading a map from the server you can also go into ban.txt with a command!!! or hack the server or something!!! ...IF A PERSON IS CHEATING HIS CHEATING AND THATS BECAUSE HIS BAD AT CS!!!
if you are banning a person it will just be worst for yourself!!! this is secrets and "unknown" programs!!! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Bauglir
12:35 5/12/2000
I've only been playing since beta 6 personally and I've seen a lot of this. Undoubtedly some of these 'inhumanly' good players are cheating in some fashion .. but most of them won't be, and it's unfair to tar them all with the same brush.

Still the temptation is there when you've just been headshotted by a guy that was sailing through the air with an ak47 in his hands for the third time. :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Bauglir
12:43 5/12/2000
Another thought - the line between what is cheating and what is not can be a little blurry - a mate of mine (who shall remain nameless but who HAS posted here ;o) uses (or used) a modified version of the 'The bomb has been planted' sound which includes a counter which tells him every 5 seconds which have passed. I think it's a cheat since he knows EXACTLY when the bomb's gonna go off but he doesn't think it is.

Similarly I've been using an autobuy script like the one on this site for some time - I suspect some people might call that a cheat but I just think of it as convenient.

Commments? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
[UCO]Snakebite
13:17 5/12/2000
Bunny Hopping SUX0RS! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
BrightCandle
13:30 5/12/2000
I've never actually called someone a cheater without being sure. I've seen people disappearing periodically and spinning and getting headshots with amazing speed. I've also seen the old 1 foot from going round a corner and getting hit in the head through the wall trick. But I don't see it very often and in general I get a good satisfaction from killing them, from being better than them.
Cheating is something i've never done and never will. Since I've been playing net games(Oh the years) I don't see the point. I associate myself with others who don't cheat, join clans I know are clean. Its the only way.
Absoulutelly great article, I think your very right, they just want the attention, if it was skill they wanted they'd bother to play the game rather than let thier computer do the work [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shazbot
13:50 5/12/2000
Good insight there. But let me point out one reason why said clans like yourself get accused of cheating. One of your members used to in the past, and recently admitted it. Would you trust this person again? And bunny hopping is not a script, granted, but looks daft and is annoying :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Di$ciple
17:30 5/12/2000
I get so sick of cheaters. They just ruin the game for newbies. I have not been playing CS very long and don't do real well in most games. I am getting better and can hold my own but I am not one of the best players.
What I really hate is when I finally do have a good game I get accused of cheating. I have never cheated and will never cheat.
People just need to admit that they got killed and thats it.

BTW I think the article was very good and hit the nail on the head. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Gonnas
18:10 5/12/2000
The most annoying thing is when cheaters admit that they are doing but don't care. Just last night I was on a server where someone was using the Invisible Hack. He admitted it, everyone followed him when they were dead and saw it. But because there was no Admin in the server and we couldn't get enough votes to kick him. For over an hour we had to put up with his cheating ass. It's just so frustrating and it's making people paranoid. It ruins the reason we all play CS. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
JackaL
19:04 5/12/2000
Kwek!

Excellent article duckie! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
[FuSe]Splitter
23:49 5/12/2000
Nicely written article, just a couple points. CS NEEDS an in eyes spectator camera...This would make detection and proof of wall hackers/aimbot users alot easier (i know this from quakeworld/quake2). Also...i love being called a cheat, for the simple fact that it shows im a decent player (cos i dont use a single cheat)
Nice article
Split. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
JYSTER
11:43 6/12/2000
Good article. I have never cheated at CS and even when I have suspected someone of cheating, I have just carried on regardless, because I enjoy the game so much. I have been accused of cheating myself. The reason because clan [CSLA] were using Rogerwilco. Come on, this is not cheating it just saves having to type out orders for your team mates.

cyas l8er [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
-{OSC]-Apoc@lyp$e
17:37 6/12/2000
very good right up nemo.

I have been playing cs since beta 1 and I too along with many of my past and present clan mates have experienced players that cheat for no other reason than to get good scores ...

The Game was deisgned so that ppl could go on a server and play as a team .. (thats right teamwork u may see it some time on some servers but very rarely these days )
People that abuse the game this way r either very sad or just looking for attention .... Isnt it about time ppl woke up and just discarded these cheats and play the game the way it was designed ??? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
KiddieGrinder
22:56 6/12/2000
You said "cheat" 30 times... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Cheezmaster
10:42 7/12/2000
You do have to consider however, That the only way that some HPB newbies will ever even get a head-shot will be using a head-shot script. As for gl_zmax and changing the player models so that other players could be seen comming round corners a few seconds before they got there. I agree that that is wrong. but people shouldn't shout CHEAT as soon as someone better or more lucky than them cains them. The other day on IRC Nemo was telling me about him and two others playing online at a LAN party and the other players on the server accusing them of cheating because they were using coordinated attacks. The players were saying that they were using Roger Wilco or some other communications program when the answer was simply that they were sitting next to each other. Things like this and similar occurances which no-doubt we have all experianced is the primary reason that CS players are regularly accused of cheating. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
M.Mcfly
19:09 7/12/2000
Great insight into the cs cheating world nemo, one thing that is starting to p*** me off now tho is everyone is bunnyhopping!!! in publics fine i can accept that BUT IN A CLAN MATCH!! grr that really cheeses me off as it is taking advantage of an exploit that was not intended for the game, and is therefore in my mind cheating :( but so many ppl do it now tis really annoying, must i learn how to bunnyhop just so that the opposition dont get to the maps key positions before me !!! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
[HD]*Psycho*Bean
20:51 7/12/2000
Quality article m8. Although there was nough about actually stoping it as "advertised".. Never mind, as it was said, u can't really stop ppl cheating or even using RW/BC to drop hints to there m8's about ppls whereabouts and what there armed with. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Nefarious
22:47 7/12/2000
I have read all the comments above and one glaring ommission on the cheats has been the new ASUS SeeThrough drivers. They are out there, and they are being used. I regularly play CS and have used and experimented with nearly all the cheats released so far. Nearly all of them are crap. But the new ASUS driver cheat is nothing short of lethal for the opponent. It has now become so widespread that everyday I encounter at least 2-6 players on any server I go to, using it. How do I know? Because I have come to use it. Why? Because I got sick of these ppl raping me on the server and telling me I have been 'owned'. Blind freddy could tell that they were cheating. Human reaction times are just not that quick. Ever wonder how that guys shot you just microseconds after you past the corner? Easy answer is, he was lining you up well before you got there and just waited for you to pass the edge of the corner before shooting. I would even be prepared to name all the players I have seen using this cheat if it would change anything but it wont. I can say without a shadow of a doubt that a large number of the clans at the top of the Australian competition, definitely have a healthy swag of cheats in their ranks. Why? Because cheaters win matches.
You might think I am a deluded or paranoid, but when you use the cheats yourself and watch players watching you through walls and reacting to your everymove it becomes quite obvious what is going on.
My quest to beat the cheaters has led me to become a cheater myself to keep up with the competition and I have to say it has not left a good taste in my mouth. I believe that the multiplayer competions on the net are doomed to be the haunt of cheaters and therefore the results of any such competition should be taken with a grain of salt. Long live the LAN competitions so that we can finally play on that 'level playing field' that I dreamed of so long ago when I started playing CS.

P.S. Knowledge is power. You have the knowledge that the cheats are out there. Understand there advantage and develop your own counter measures. For instance, dont bother camping in your favourite spot behind that box or around that corner, cause you are as good as dead when the cheater 'sees' you. Learn to predict where you opponent will be and shoot BEFORE you see him. That might sound stupid but with some practice you will be amazed how often you can hit someone before you actually go around the corner. Know your enemy and develop you tactics accordingly. Dont be the ignorant newbie who thinks those 'good' players arent really cheating. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
[dR]h0MiCiDe
22:56 7/12/2000
I truely cannot stand cheaters, one other thing that I cannot stand is when playing on my clan's server, a foolish say.. hmm 13 year old comes on, and of course I have one of the top 3 scores in the game, and I'm accused of cheating. I just don't get how poeple think a member of a stand-up clan who advertises that cheaters will be banned, is cheating on his/her own sever, this blows my mind. So there's my rant of the day.
That's a great piece of writing, this is the first time I've been to UKTerrorist.com and certainly won't be the last and I'll probably end up adding it to the list of links on the clan site. Thanks for the info and keep up the good work.

- h0micide
http://drained.efni.com [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
NoImp
15:15 8/12/2000
You'r missing few points but otherwise a good article.

I just hate cheaters.. I havent accused many people about cheating but a little while ago there was so oblivious cheater.(runned faster with weapon in hand than people with knife in hand and no footsteps) Then he is just claiming he isnt cheating, huoh.

I've never cheated in CS but still people call me cheater it doesnt hurt.. but if you get kicked out of server then it p***es you off. I wish I could just show my computer to them to show that I dont cheat. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
{PB} Bigduke
16:49 8/12/2000
maybee if we work together we will banish the cheating b`stards!!! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
(M)Hex
17:56 8/12/2000
I don't understand ANY cheaters. They should be wiped out from the face of the planet! I haven't EVER tried cheating (I have played from beta 3) and I am very proud of it. Today I take it as a compliment when someone starts to accuse me of having a aimbot.
I don't think that people who have cheated have ANY right to complain about accusers.

In conclusion. Gather a lot of cheaters in one location (call it a cheater festival) and plant a small exploding device in the same building... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Absorbointi
18:19 8/12/2000
I feel that anyone shouldn't worry about cheats because there will always be cheats and there will always patches removing the cheats....there's nothing that us, the average players could do.....i'm sure that Gooseman and his friends are doin' their everything to remove the possibilities to cheat.....i'd be more concerned about the players that play CS.....seems like the cheats are just an excuse.you're doin' fine on a server....like 1-1.5 F/M, you're having easy frags and some amazing frags....suddenly someone comes to the server and starts whining.....he's accusing you and saying that you're using an aimbot.....of course it sounds good when someone accuses you of cheating cos' you know you're not cheating...and he thinks that you couldn't be so good....but this happened to me....a whiner comes to a server....24-dust...and starts blaming that i'm cheating...he says that i couldn't get such good stats with the kind of "stupid teenagestyle" i play (moving all the time and not camping at all)and with out using any cheats....I said that i could send him some screenshots anytime....but he stops talkin' and starts following me around.....he's changing to the team i change...and shooting me in the head everytime i see an enemy....he made my game so impossible just because he stubbornly thought that i was cheatin'.....The reason why i'm telling you this is to show you how every idiot who won't take the time to learn to play the game they are playing are changin' to CS...that's because CS is the only game which in you can blame someone on cheatin' without people laughin' and pointin' you about your sick paranoia.....the removement of the cheats wouldn't remove the worst problem, the accusers, if you ask me, the accusers make me more crazy than the cheaters, because i know that cheats will someday be removed totally, but the accusers won't stop ever.... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Joudah
18:50 8/12/2000
I wrote a while for a text wich reminds that CS is just a game. It is not your whole life (I hope). I play just for playing and don't use any kind of brightness adjusting tricks (bright models etc) and walls without textures are something I really don't tolerate on my screen. If others want to cheat and spoil their gaming experience, it's fine to me, but I don't want to be one of them. Propably that's why I'm not so often at the winning side. ?) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
[ET] Miki
19:40 8/12/2000
joo..kaikki ketkä osaa suomee...LOPETTAKAA PERKELE CHIITTAAMINEN P3LL3T...ei helv. koko cs on menossa ihan vituiks tätä menoo...siis jos ei osaa pelata cs, niin ei tarttee rueta pilaamaan muitten pelejä...taitaa olla turha tääki kommentti... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
People-Hunter-2000
20:32 8/12/2000
I dont cheat, I like to play. I kill people. I have seen a cheater in cs1.0 with the invisible cheat, lucky for us we had the system admin present so no bs came about, but yea he blinked a lot and did kill. im a camper with an AWP. L8R [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Naked
23:00 8/12/2000
One thing I feel that is worth mentioning. Most people get terribly upset about them being called cheaters - which is natural ofcourse. And nothing sucks more than to get kicked out of a game just because others think you cheat.

But you can also take it this way - they are accusing you of cheating even when you aren't - which is, in fact, quite a compliment. They are saying that you can't possibly be that good, so you must be cheating - but if you are that good, well then you are one helluva player.

But of course this only helps some to the anguish people feel when being accused of cheating, not the actual cause or consequences from it. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
JAD_COOPER
10:45 9/12/2000
I just love Five Seven That pistol is my fauvorite it is so fast nd all f he new guns are quite good [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Jade | Wombut
12:38 9/12/2000
its good to know that cheating is in everywhere... i play in finnish servers, and i must say that i have seen only few cheats in my CS time (beta 4) and i`m not shame about that i have used lambert...it was good but did it make me "the best"... hell no!
if u want cheat free game go to LAN =)

hmm im not sure what is my point..? maby here is not point =)

T:Jade [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Zetra
13:16 9/12/2000
U are right there are many of those so called (cheaters) wo never even thought of cheating, it never crossed theyr mind that u could cheat until they where accused of cheating and when i was playing the later betas 6.5 and so i had also called people cheaters simply because i did not belive that a guy who just made 10 teamkills could wipe out an whole terrorist team. But u are wright and i love your artikel well written i must say
-Zetra [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
YodaJunior2
14:00 10/12/2000
I agree that too many people are accused and accusing others of cheating, however i am sure i have seen some cheaters. I normally play on the PCZ servers, and its a pretty regular crowd, but once in a while you see somebody who can seemingly detect other people's positions even if they are behind a wall and walking, making no sound. They may be awesome players, but when somebody shows an awareness of other peoples positions that cannot be detected using sight or sound normally, you have to wonder. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
el Cobra
14:56 10/12/2000
Well I must say that me and my friends play lot of CS and we r even guide good at it (but we have also bad days). The point is that we play mostely on finnish servers and every time we rule there we r called cheaters, so we have decited that every time we r called cheaters we can say to ourselves "Damn im good"(wood) and we take that as a honour! And I think that everyone who has been called as a cheater should be happy for beeing good player!!! (ps. I have never even tried any cheats!) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Pringles
21:17 10/12/2000
I check sites with CS cheats to know what's available, but dont use any. I've tried some though.

I think cheater are unskilled lamers who: 1) dont get it that skills require practice. 2) are childish 3) are loosers 4) have small d!cks. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
[BwS]Edamcheez
18:36 11/12/2000
This article is very true. I have come across a few cheaters in my time of playing cs! One person was killing ppl across the map and claiming that he was a v.good snipers. But the most annoying cheat has got to be the invisibility cheat! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Tiede
12:32 13/12/2000
I dont mind if theres cheaters id like to shoot bunnyhoppers from the air with M4 thats fun...
usually cheaters are 9v and they cant play so they are free frags ;) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Thorbar
10:22 17/12/2000
If you cheat at your video game the next step is robbing and killing? I personally hate those cheating b******s but I don't take it that far.

Great report on cheating by the way. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
h20boy
18:42 18/12/2000
i am s**t lets start with that announcement...
i was accused of using an aim cheat last week cos i shot 5 peeps with 5 shots from my awp.. good going i thought yes i do camp but at that time i was not camping neither was i cheating people were upset cos they could not hide totally from my view. with the killing power of the awp there is very little chance of stayin alive with a direct hit .. i am good with awp, and i admit it! ask peeps who i have played with at lan parties but i do not cheat will people relise this... also is camping cheatin i say no . but i do despise people who se bots and proxies q2 is riddled with them :(
h2oboy camping whore [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
]SEC[-ZiNC-
17:09 20/12/2000
One day there won't be any cheats as all the "bugs" (including Bunny hopping Nemo :P) will be removed..
So there :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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