UKTerrorist
I've decided it's time for another article, and this time I'm going to focus on how people play CS and how others feel it should be played. These are only my views and don't represent anyone else here at ukterrorist.com. Feel free to add your own comments at the bottom of the article, or head on over to our forums and discuss it there.
How many times have you been sitting out a round after dying, watching the timer tick down the remaining minutes, and thought 'What the heck are they playing at?' As you watch one guy hunt round the map, while his last remaining opponent sits tight in a corner somewhere, being very well hidden. Basically....camping.
It seems in CS that many people are pretty quick to judge and tell other players exactly how to play CS. Calls of phrases such as 'camping w***er' or 'vote that camping b***ard', aren't really to hard to come by when you play Counter-Strike in a public server. I personally try to be on my very best behaviour and not do this, although even I succumb to the need to 'flame' another player, on occasion.
The only time people will catch me flaming a camper is when the camping is somewhat blatant. Like people camping in the most ridiculous places such as at the top of ladders, in vent systems that only have one way to get in/out (infact, probably most vent systems in CS, now I think about it) and other similar points in maps, that just don't have any bearing on the objectives of the players/teams. This, in my view, is just a tad lame and too boring for my liking. It involves no skill, the player obviously isn't trying to complete or carry out any objectives and is just a hindrance to a good game. This is what I would call 'static camping', it involves no skill whatsoever and is plain dull.
I do, however, feel that camping is ok when players are obviously carrying out tasks that are needed in order for their team to win the round. Like Counter-Terrorists guarding bomb sites against in-coming Terrorists, or vice-versa, Terrorists defending/holding hostages against Counter-Terrorists. I believe this is ok because if the attacking team (Ts on bomb, CTs on hostage maps) are well enough organised and can work together, this then becomes a good match, where tactics are essential and the better team will win.
With the use of HE grenades and Flashbang grenades, a well-organised attacking team should enjoy the challenge of breaking down enemy defenses. Although some people, no matter what circumstances will flame opponents for 'doing their job'.
Why should Counter-Terrorists rush into oncoming Terrorists, and risk the possibility of dying (and therefore losing the round), when they could work as a team, guard the bombsites and win the round effectively? The answer is, in my opinion (again), that they shouldn't rush in if they don't want to. It's kind of like players who choose to use the AWP, it's their prerogative, yet people still attack whatever option they choose.
The same can be said about Terrorists guarding hostages, it's totally acceptable and shouldn't be met with a constant barrage of abuse from the opposition. Although in saying that, the majority of CS players accept this and do realise good gameplay when they see it.
In clan matches, these kind of tactics are essential. If a team were to ignore objectives and go hunting for the enemy every round, they'd soon realise they were wrong (unless of course, they are damn fine players, hehe). Rarely have I taken part in a clanmatch where Ts don't try to plant the bomb, or guard the hostages. As any good player will know, it's easier to dominate a public server than it is to dominate a clan match, enough said.
Anyway, as I said, these are my views so feel free to comment below, but try to keep criticism constructive and praise/agreement, well... bring it on! :)
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18:34 8/5/2001
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00:00 9/5/2001
whats the point of playing the game if ya gonna be sat in one place all the time.
WHERES THE FUN IN THAT?? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
00:11 9/5/2001
Call me a lamer, but camping at all situations is ok.. It can be annoying and frusterating, but you have to remember people are just doing what they want to do to have a fun time.. As long as your not cheating it floats me boat..
- sMg* [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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09:18 9/5/2001
Camping a random place that affords you a nice sniping range thats off the beaten track is useless and dull.
Most annoying however are people like one nameless individual in one of my games last night. If you are one of the last few CTs on a bomb map, and you hear 'Bomb has been planted' then you're not guarding an entrance any more, you're camping. If you are still hiding in a corner when your last two team-mates attempt to reach the bomb site have failed due to lack of sniper cover, and you're just watching the time tick by, knowing that you'll survive the blast that means your team has lost, you're an idiot. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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12:55 9/5/2001
If i do this, I get flamed for being a camping sh$t, but what i've managed to do is give my team a better chance of winning. Also the opposition will be more carefull when advancing, checking behind boxes etc, this gives my team a better chance of killing the opposition who may get caught looking in the wrong direction or my team has managed to position themselves in behind them. its a CS tactic. everyone has used it at some stage in their CS career, even if they dont think they're camping. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
13:06 9/5/2001
Put yourself in the shoes of a real Terrorist or CT ... would YOU charge headlong into a pack of guns? If you suddenly find yourself alone and without a team to back you up, would you become macho? I know I wouldn't. I would hide and pick them off one by one if possible.
If you are a CT and there is a bomb on the ground (Generally, I would pick it up, but seeing as we cannot do this ...) you would sit there and guard it, knowing that the Terrorists should be along to pick it up sometime soon ...
Of course, I myself get irritated by camping too sometimes, due to how long it takes to finish a round, but I have come to learn something. A couple of words that seem to put me at ease when I am dead and the reamining players are camping.
DO NOT DIE
If you do this, all your issues about campers will eventually fade away.
In Quake, it's camping. In CS, it's strategy. Most old players know this, and so do clan members, and a few others do as well. One day the newer players, or the more ignorant ones, will recognise the value in camping. Until that day, all we can do is preach, neh? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
14:00 9/5/2001
One thing that gets me in cs, when the T's execute all the hostages (CT's SHOULD win)at the start, what is the point of playing?
Same happens when the CT's execute them all(T's should win). [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
15:16 9/5/2001
The only thing I would add is this. Taunting campers or bad players doesn't help. If you give the weaker players on your team advice (over the Team channel) then they may stop being lame and add to the game.
ultimately we're all in it to have fun. As long as people are takin' kills and gettin' thrills it's all good [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
17:01 9/5/2001
And Flash is just plain overused. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
17:14 9/5/2001
GLORY FOR ALL CAMPERS! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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19:23 9/5/2001
If you want to nail the guards, well hey, I wonder what these flashbangs, smoke grenades, and HE grenades are for (hint hint: not for p***ing off your teammates by throwing them at the start of the game!). Winning in CS is possible if you play SMART, and that's just what guards are doing! Get in the game! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
20:14 9/5/2001
I fully agree with it all the way. It should come with the game as a read me file to let all those lammers out there how to really play this game.
It would make spectating much more worth while after being dead. Mainly cause you wouldn't likely have to put up with "static campers" or "bunny hoppers"(you know the guys ho jump up and all over the place just to avoid dieing....bunch of cowards I say.)
I don't mind dieing as long as it's not by some guy just trying to rack up frags for a high score instead of playing the game.
I'm a terrorist mainly which means I guard not camp... Unlike most of the other T's that go out and hunt the ct's (which defeats the whole purpose of having hostages)
I play not just to have fun but to make it fun for others as well. When I die I don't complain(unless killed by a bunny hopper or static camp) I just watch the fighting till the round ends.
If I die in a cool way I praise the guy who did the deed...This is called good sportmanship.(so if u die, accept it and move on with waiting for the next round.)
I hate it when people rush istead of working as a team. Sneak around by holding the "use" button while running or walking) That makes it funner to watch for the dead people as a pose to always running....which I hate.
I mostly walk unless I totaly have to run.
Hey, if any of you agree with how I play then write down my name and look for me on game spy arcade. Thanx a lot.....Later
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23:33 9/5/2001
On another note, the flash link near the article was of no distraction to me. And if it happened to annoy you so much that you felt you had to say something about it there are more mature ways of doing it then with a post that contains nothing but vulgarities. Seriously, who are you trying to impress? Your deflated, child-like ego most likely... grow up. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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02:05 10/5/2001
what I DON'T like, and which I think is incredibly lame is when someone buys a shotgun, grabs a hostage, sticks him in the corner, and waits for the rest of the damn round completely motionless. Let's take italy for example.. how many times have you seen a t take a hostage into the cellar, put him in one of the corners, then move behind the barrels and stay there for the rest of the game? Chances are, not too often since the people who do it get flamed out of existance (and quite rightly so).
Camping is a part of the game, but it doesn't mean it has to be the ONLY part of the game. The problem with "FCUKIGN CAMPERS!11!!" starts when they don't try anything else... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
02:42 10/5/2001
My teammate died.
So, I just sat by the bomb, sending subtle taunts through chat like "Aaah, camping until the timer runs out. Good idea; you'll live. But your teammates won't like it..." Finally, with 30 seconds left, the guy came charging out right in front of me. I let him feel the wrath of my silenced M4A1, and won the round. My team was pleased. GUARDING THE BOMB IS COOL! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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12:28 10/5/2001
It's funny how quickly people complain about how it's BS that they got killed, and equally quickly boast of their "mad skillz" when they manage to kill someone. Complaing about camping is just as stupid and pointless.. You might as well complain that life is unfair to you.
Cry on whiners [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
12:40 10/5/2001
there is no individual respawn in CS ergo YOU CANNOT CAMP IN COUNTERSTRIKE. ALL tactics are valid, other than cheating. All standar wepons are valid including the AWP.
It is the hiding behind boxes and in air conditioning vents to ambush the enemy that makes the game interesting.
It's the reason I play the game instead of Quake or UT.
You want to run round like an idiot, go play one of those. Leave CS to the players who want to play the way it was meant to be. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
12:54 10/5/2001
in response to di3r (way up there) if you camp and no-one comes by you don't get much of a score!
Picking your spot and waiting for the rush gets you a few kills and a lot of abuse.
Apparently I 'camped' last nite - fell into a group of 5 T's with my knife out, so I swung around wildly for a few seconds and died - only to realise that 4 of the T's were dead, 2 to knifing 2 to FF. I spent my entire death (and most of the next round in fits of laughter).
13:23 10/5/2001
thanx
btw the real life scenario was dead on and the spammer needs to be AWP'd
thanx again [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
14:39 10/5/2001
I agree 100 percent.
Carry on !
SORROW a Freelancer
Write back plz [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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15:32 10/5/2001
If I hear one more "gosh, this one time, in band camp, I was the only T left with 5 CTs hunting my b*tch a$$ so I just camped" I think I'll scream. Maybe , if you'd been out there supporting your team like a man they wouldn't have been overrun. But, on the other hand, nothing makes my day brighter than hunting campers and splattering them in a technicolor blaze of glory, so keep on camping.
Rush to victory! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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14:47 14/5/2001
if only everbody know the objectives of the map, i hate ppl rush out and play a DM and forgot that they suppost to guard(e.g. hossies/bomb sites) and go right to the other sdie of the map and the start to rush back after they heard "the bomb has been plabted", which is usually a bit too late, even though the bomb planter is the only one left in T, but often do not have time to defuse the bomb even they managed to kill the planter(provided that they BOTHER to go back and check), and costing the round.
we are given and objective for us to enjoy the realism of being a CT or T and experience what they do for life, and that is why we enjoy the game and ignoring the objective is just the same and abusing the game, and those players should go learn to read instructions b4 coming back and game online. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
15:16 14/5/2001
go see "enemy at the gate" [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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18:24 14/5/2001
good stuff [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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good stuff...peace [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
03:51 3/6/2001
cs_assault:
When you're the last T, is it 'OK' to run into the Hostage room and wait for CT's? Reason I ask is, I always get flamed for it. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
03:41 4/7/2001
and to the previous comment I'd say that wasn't camping - CT's should make there way to that room - however if there are multiple CT's left alive and you are last T - it's a deathtrap. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
22:47 15/10/2001
I'm sick of being flamed for camping when I try to display a little tactical intelligence. Wouldn't it be nice if people just accepted that there are many different styles of play and that they're all valid? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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14:09 7/12/2001
19:24 1/2/2002
Instead of leaving the 10 dead players sit and watch u sit above the grill on mili on 5 health waiting for the cts to get the hostages, think how cool it would look if u could use some skill to kill them. Its not all about frags.
U certainly shouldnt complain about camping though, if ur any good at the game u'll know where that n00bs hiding. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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LAMO LAMO LAMO ARTICO! HALO LAMO U SEING THIS ARTICO BEING LAMO? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
22:35 30/11/2002
if, for example, in dust2 there are many campers on the ct team, i usually sneak up to their spawn and knife them down, one by one.
but every good player might need to camp sometimes, like when you are overwhelmingly outnumbered.
im just talking about those damn awp'ers who camp in one spot every round and kill all of the other team and then have the nerve to claim that they are good.
i say if they are good when all they do is camp with a one hit kill gun, then the rest of us are great! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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03:21 23/7/2003
Question: if a sniper stays in one point, sniping, is this sniping or camping? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
03:27 23/7/2003
In a real life senareo it could happen so why should people moan on this? You should cover every space to look for the enemy, esecially if it is a prime 'camping' position we all know where they are so counter act it!! Isnt there more pressing issues like cheating hackers and the question why 'awps' were ever invented.....! i hate awps [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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01:37 13/6/2004
There have been so many times, for example, when I have tried to rush the opposing team and ended up meeting about 3 or 4 of them, meaning I have to quickly retreat. In which case I usually try and find some place I can sit that they won't check and will rush past me, being the blood thirsty mongrels that they are. The when I take a couple of em out from behind, they say I was a camper, hehe.
Ah well, it takes all sorts, keep them replies coming :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
01:37 13/6/2004
When you are the only one left and the author team also got one left move!(pub game) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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[DDB]...Deaf, Dumb and Blind [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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-J [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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01:37 13/6/2004
I think that the agreement with this article is indicative of the increased education of the cs community about the game.
I was the last man left on office, there were 6cts left, and I had 5hp left, so I camped near the last 2 hossies (The other 2 had been killed). I took out 5 of the 6 Cts, and the last one got me....
I didn't get voted once, and afterwards, I got told "good try" by the ct dudes. They saw that I had 5 hp left, and so wasn't going to go rushing headlong into battle, I'd killed somebody before in that round, so it wasn't as if I was a habitual camper, I just chose the best option for my team.
On the subject of camping though, I just want to b***h about seige.... if ever there was a level designed for camping with awps, that was it; as ct it's horrible, as T it's boring. It would be soo much better without awps. Camping (and awps in particular) waste 25 minutes of my life anytime seige comes up on the map rotation.
Whine over.. nice article. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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