AWP - Lame or Simply Skill?

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	appz Founder UKTerrorist 18:58 12/4/2001	Great Article m8, I'm an awp'er myself. And I always get the "your a llama" comments, but its part of the game so you can't really say its lame. However since v1.1 its not as easy to use in my opinion and i find myself using it less and less. [ Score: 5, informative \| Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blitz Editor UKTerrorist 19:00 12/4/2001	yeah i really enjoy sniping, but as you say, i tend to gauge the use of it, i cant be arsed with the flack you cop. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Sanch3z 19:22 12/4/2001	I think the AWP's power is just about right, a shot in the leg shouldn't kill. Nice article BTW. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	bl1nd 19:24 12/4/2001	Great article..... however i cannot help but feel it would be soo much more interesting, knowledgeable (is that a word?) if my name was somewhere meantioned in the ext.. (preferably in the title, the start of each paragraph and the end) i think u all will agree...... as for the article itself. yes i agree.. awp can be a gun of skill (end comment) bl1nd http://cslogo.ukterrorist.com/bl1nd/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blitz Editor UKTerrorist 19:28 12/4/2001	thx i dunno really, still undecided to be honest. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blitz Editor UKTerrorist 19:29 12/4/2001	lol @ blind [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	decrepit Croydon 19:59 12/4/2001	Personally, i tend to suck with the AWP and not use it. Because of this I think it takes a lot of skill to use well so respect to all decent snipers. If killed by a decent sniper i can accept that, the one thing that bugs me and i think maybe others is when you're killed by someone who isnt skillful but is plain lucky. Thats when the cries of llama need come out of the closet and be thrust down the throat of this n00b that dares to kill me. However, in all honesty who can resist having a go at some1 who kills you? Its almost as unimaginable as not being alowed to curse lpbs for..er..being lpbs! Therefore in accordance with DeC's laws, i forbid the use of the AWP to all except those on my team who r skillful. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DeadGuy 22:01 12/4/2001	People play CS for a fun competition. Please enlighten me about what is enjoyable when you've played all of 25 seconds of a round and a single bullet from way off in the middle of nowhere makes you sit for the next 4 minutes. Rinse, dry, repeat, you are never playing the game unless you're hiding. And if you do hide, you're just a 'pansy camper'. Play the game, and show some nerve. I'll take my trusty scout and drop an AWP whore as often as possible, just to rub it in. I won't win every time, but when I do, that has to hurt. -DG [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	chund3r 22:16 12/4/2001	The Scout is a much better weapon than the AWP, at least that requires a little skill - You have to aim for the head to get a one shot kill. With the AWP all you have to do is hit somewhere above the legs (hardly a skillful task). It also promotes camping because joe-camper knows that he can find himself a nice spot and 'click the mouse' somewhere on the body of some approaching player. You all to often get (in my experience) a AWP camper from each team as the only survivors, both camping away, whilst everyone else twiddles their thumbs and waits for the timer to run out. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	T 22:35 12/4/2001	You people are fools. The gun is called an artic warfare magnum - awm. Why do you call it awp? You do know that was a mistake the CS team made right, calling it the awp. Anyway if you have any skill you'd joy at the opportunity to fight one with an awm, run toward them, evade their shots, and knife the SOB to death. Maybe even knife his corpse to rub it in. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Corrion 22:37 12/4/2001	well, i used to use the awp a lot b4 1.1 came out. even tho a leg shot doesn't kill anymore, which is a good thing, i found out that 50% of my torso shot doesn't kill either. it's kind of annoying how u take forever just to manage to get a shot off, and then it just hits the torso but they don't die. if i wanted that, then i might as well use the scout. another thing that bothers me that u can't assault with "assault sniper rifles" anymore. u can't really assault your enemy when you're scoped, but without it u can't aim at anything! even tho i don't use them, i still find it disturbing, and a waste of money. i think they should make it so that there's no crosshair on the scout and awp, but crosshair for every other sniper rifle. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Wonder Hamster 22:45 12/4/2001	I think there's nothing wrong with using the awp (i don't use it personally, being a cqb guy) Here's why: 1- If you make yourself an easy target (ie. straight line runner) you deserve to eat that bullet 2-With a combination of grenades, the right route, and some skill, snipers are easily defeated. 3- If you know there's a sniper somewhere, and you go out of your way to kill him...and die... it's your own fault...sure it only took 1 shot... but hey... you missed with 29.5 of yours. I think that the sniper rifles(except scout, due to low cost) should be as powerfull as the awp used to be (well maybe the semi's a little weaker) because as is the awp is almost at a disadvantage at longrange to a few people with aug's. At long range, Sniper rifles should rule... Period [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Crack 22:45 12/4/2001	I dont think it was fair to weaken the AWP since it is NOT the best gun in the game. It does take a lot of skill and strategy to use the AWP well. But is a very limited gun since it is not a very versatile gun. If any gun should be weakend it is the Colt. In skilled hand it is the most powerful/versatile gun in the entire game. Look on any server the keeps stats. The Colt is the gun of choice for high kill ratios. I've never seen AWPers at the top of any of server stat lists. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	[WI]Mr. President 22:47 12/4/2001	I think the scout is more skillful cuz u have to aim at the head to get 1 shot kill. plus the scout a lot cheaper, like $2500. if u really have the skill, u can take off ur opponets heads with in the 2nd or 3rd round. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Omicron 22:47 12/4/2001	Totally agree with your artical. The awp isn't just some gun any body can pick up and do well with, fact of the matter is most people just suck with it. They just get mad when they foolishly run out into the open and get popped. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	sbivens 22:48 12/4/2001	Roger That. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	sbivens 22:52 12/4/2001	one more thing. SUCK IT UP AND KNIFE THE AWP WHORE, QUIT WHINING (to all the anti-awp whiners) I can't use the damn thing either, but it's just another good reason to gun 'em down when they poke their little heads out; or sneak up and stab 'em in the back. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MuDvAyNe 22:54 12/4/2001	i agree 100% with your article. awp is skills. no skils no nothing, simple. you cant just shoot and voila, you have to be quick. a reminder to every awp hater It is called the artic warfare MAGNUM i it not. magnum, does that tell you weak or strong, not only that sniper rifles are designed to take your target out in one shot. i know not the legs but a MAGNUM rifle should kill in one shot on the upper body without a doubt. it oesnt take a lot of ak bullets either so whats there to complain bout. thx for showing the cs world that an awp is skills and it is very useful to the game making it replayable [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Soul Assassin 22:55 12/4/2001	T, you are retarded... in the beta versions it was called Arctic Warfare Police/Magnum. So don't talk down to us you newbie. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	BigSack 23:01 12/4/2001	Funny how those who whine about the awm/p the most are the same that cry "Camping Whore!" whenever someone doesn't just charge into the open and go nuts with autofire weapons. I used to love Quake3, play it all the time. Then I played CS and now I can't play Quake3 anymore. If you just want a PsychoRunAroundFiringAtMaxRate game, you should play Quake. I like CS because it incorporates tactics, such as sniping with the awm/p or ambushing people from a good hiding spot. I'm a mediocre player of CS, and I don't get killed more than once a round by an "awpwhore." In fact, at a distance, I've sometimes been able to take out an "awpwhore" with my trusty Deagle. The awm/p takes skill, and yes a n00b might get lucky every once in a while (same as if he was using an m4a1), but only the truly good players can put a sniper to efficient use all the time (I'm not one of those, I buy an awm/p maybe once out of every 100 rounds, I prefer to snipe with the sig or the aug). Yes, CS is supposed to be "more realistic" than other FPS. Yes, in "real life" (whatever that is) even with a kevlar jacket you can get turfed by a single shot to the body. I love that about CS. So go play Quake3 or qwitcherb***hin. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	FlyGuy 23:04 12/4/2001	First of all, the AWP is a great weapon in cs. It adds a equilibrium to the game. Yeah, it kicks ass in the hands of a good sniper from afar, but in close , it not really affective at all. I hate when people whine about cheap AWP s*. I for one, know how to dodge, is the awp holder is a fun target for me, and if u get shot: 1. Buy an AWP and show him whos boss 2. suck it up and kill him w/ a tmp from afar an embarass the s* out of him AWPs are an integral part of the game, and last , on another topic, why do dumbasses always whine when a new cs comes out? If u dont like it, DONT PLAY IT!im sick of people always whining about bugs, if u dont like it , play dod, tfc, flf, or firearns for a good time. -FlyGuy I'll back up any of my claims in a game, email me and i'll show you. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	BigSack 23:05 12/4/2001	I meant I don't get killed more than once a MAP by an awm/p whore. Kinda hard to get yourself killed more than once a round anyway, eh? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	zahd 23:05 12/4/2001	i don't mind the 1 shot kill, but i think the 1 shot kill should be limited to headshots or body shots with no kevlar. i think it should take 2 shots if the guy has kevlar. i mean, with the awp it's like wasting money buying the armor. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Five-Seven Power 23:15 12/4/2001	The last thing I want to sound like here is a little 9 year old whiner who can't stand losing so bear with my here... The only reason for the awp that I can see is the one mentioned at the start of the article. It stops CS from turning into a Deathmatch. I meen who can honestly say they are not scared of an awp? Anyway, the one thing I CAN'T agree with in the article is when he says that the one-shot-kill adds realism. OK, lemme get a Mac-10 and put a round in you chest. Try to tell me that won't kill/cripple you. Oh and by the way, I never awp, as a mater of pride. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Jello9 23:33 12/4/2001	OMFG U R IDIOTS THE AWM/AWP IS A NO SKILL GUN!!!!!!! When I have never used to awp when i was a newb i bought it to try it out... killed one... another... another... another my stats rose from 2-13 to 8-14!!! I WAS A DAMN NEWB!!! i HATE AWP WHORES!!!!!!!!!! ITS S NO SKILL GUN!!!! 100% ACCURATE!!!!!!!! U GUYS SUK!!!!!!!!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Lost 01:31 13/4/2001	Im going to have to agree with Mr. 5-7. I absolutely love CS, its a fabulous game. Flawless and realistic its not. The controversy over the awm/p is a just one. Have any of you hunted? Do most of you pro awpers know how difficult it is to simply hit a target standing completely still is? Much less a target which poses a threat. Combine that with trying to strafe. That is almost completely impossible. I dont care who you are, Navy SEAL or not thats an incredible task in which a very very small percentage of even the special forces could accomplish. Most snipers remain motionless for hours on end with thier weapons perfectly balanced on tri-pods. The power from a absolute one shot kill weapon would have to incredible, which translates into unreliable shooting at the least standing up. The interesting thing is in CS from mid to long distance its a very simple task ( not to say that the awp is skilless, CQB with the weapon is difficult) but lets face it, most "Whores" use the awm and only the awm and remain in the same spot distant from action, making it incredibly easy for them. At a distance its simply point and click. Theres no compensation for recoil, theres two zoom magnifications. I mean come on. Anyhit center mass and your opponents toast. If I can get shot in the face and keep fighting, I can get hit in the shoulder or the hip and sqeeze off some rounds. The gun simply is unrealistically easy to use. Keep the power if you want but at least make them duck when they shoot it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	-DWW-Ditze 01:45 13/4/2001	I think the way a player uses the awp shows his skills in cs, but not only his aiming skills. Yes, it is a weapon of skill, a newbie won't reach a stat of 30/10 with an awp in his hands. But the problem is that an additional skill is dealing with the responsibility you have when you're a player who kills 9 players with 10 shots. You really CAN spoil the others fun when you're talented with the awp, so you have to know when you've used the weapon long enough and it's time to switch to the other weapons (yes, they still exist). I respect a player who doesn't miss with the awp, but I can't respect somebody who uses it since he can afford it and doesn't use any other weapon - it isn't that hard to rule certain maps with the awp once you've found out how to aim with it. Sniping is only one aspect of the game, and you're missing most of the fun you can have in dogfights if you're only running around in the sniper mode. Cs is still a game and meant to make fun not stats. In my opinion the weapon is not too powerful if the player uses it responsible. I think everybody knows the feeling when you've just missed your first shot with your awp and that colt b***h running towards you keeps on firing and firing... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	[Dr.S]Green Eggs and 02:20 13/4/2001	I originally was a hater of awps. One of my closest friends, [Dr.S]1Fish-2Fish is an AWP and can snipe my ass off left and right. There are times, however, when I kick his ass as well. For example, in BEta 7.5 I remember our nicknames given to us by the Fragn members of the server (we play on fragnation 64.8.8.212:27016). We were not AWP whores, we were scout whores. My friend and I would walk in with our scouts and annihilate the enemy. Then he switched to the awp(=() and I stayed with the scout. There are times when I feel the scout is better than the awp. Just yesterday, I saw my friend get shot in the legs with the awp and he shot the guy in the head with the scout. He won! I think they did a good job by making the awp only "one-shot" in the head and torso. It eliminates the need for people to call it a whore weapon and it does carry some realism with it(although if you actually got shot with a sniper rifle, you would probably die of blood loss, but that's not in cs so you wouldn't die if shot in the leg). I think it is a fair weapon also because of the cost. Sure, a "whore" might kill you one or two rounds, but then you get the satisfaction of killing him ( he loses $4500) and possibly stealing his awp. Then, to really p*** him off, spray your logo on his dead carcas and shoot the awp in the sky. You have to remember that this is a game, but you can still make people mad when you steal what they paid for =). [Dr.S]Green Eggs and Ham //Disregard any spelling mistakes want to play cs now!!!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	sinizuh 02:33 13/4/2001	damn beatnik awpin whores. they just sit and camp. i still dunno why they didn't call "jeepathon2k" to "bunchofidiotswithawps...ohyea,therearejeepstoo" get rid of awp and add a silenced rifle that is a little be stronger than scout. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Mayco 02:44 13/4/2001	cool! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	possum 02:48 13/4/2001	cool article. i'm not an awp user myself (i can't fricken aim...), but personaly i think that it was a mistake to tone it down in cs1.1 the reason? cause this is a gun that uses amunition that could shoot down a light plane. can you imagine what happens to your leg when you cop an awp round in the thigh? it disapears. you wind up with a bleeding stump attached to your hips. sure - that doesn't mean definate death, but it's certainly enough to take someone out of action in game terms... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fecal_Storm 03:15 13/4/2001	The AWP/AWM requires quite a bit of skill and practice to master and anyone who can use it so effectively that they achieve the vaunted "whore" status should get a pat on the back. It does suck to die from AWP shots because you always feel like you could have gotten him if not for his lucky one shot hitting you. The simple fact is this, anyone who is dominating is somehow lame, regardless of weapon or method. They jump too much or duck too much or flash too much or fart too much, whatever. I simplify my in game whining by narrowing it down to this simple statement. "You lame F4GOT YOU KILLED ME!!! ALL PEOPLE THAT USE THAT GUN ARE LAME (Notice the indirect reference to gun, no need to be specific, keeps the insult reusable) AND SO ARE PEOPLE WHO JUMP AND USE FLASHES YOU CHEETER F4GOT WHORE WALLHACKING ASSLIVER!!!!!!!" In other words, nice shot! Oops forgot to throw in the ole autoaim comment in my whining. //Feel free to use my "Ever Reusable CS Whine" Tm. //As long as you keep this statement intact. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DeathPig 03:16 13/4/2001	Yeah, FiveseveN, but I can't count how many times everyone's been dead but 4 people: the 3 AFK's and some lame camper with an AWP We're all sitting around, waiting for someone to do something. Every time I see someone with an AWP, I think to myself "he's either going to cover me, or he's going to hole up somewhere, watch me get shot in the back, and then shoot the guy who got me". Too many folks with AWP's are just in it for the kill ratio, not for the team. T's with awp's camp in sight of the bomb and let time run out. CT's with awp's camp after the bomb's been planted and they should be trying to defuse. The problem isn't the awp. It's the personality of a lot (not all) of the deathmatch-oriented crowd that uses it. Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Abatka 03:27 13/4/2001	I personally find the AWP/M distasteful, and would much rather use the scout... also there's no better feeling than to nail an awp whore with a scout.. and about the comment that sniper rifles should kill in one shot: generally, most guns will take someone down in the first few shots... if you want realism, go play Rougue Spear (I love that game sooo much). GO SCOUT AND TMP! <-two favorite guns [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nameless_Fred 04:16 13/4/2001	Well its not that i dont like the awm, its just it takes some of the frantic fun out of the game. I prefer a good old assualt rifle shoot out or an SMG CQB type affair. Mainly because you have fast firing guns and its easy to hold down the trigger but youve got to take into account the recoil and so on and control yourself. Its much more tense because you dont know if youll hit or not or whether your opponent is about to get a lucky shot to your head (a bit like playing paintball). Sniping is tense as well but a bit slower and a bit duller. Plus, 1 mistake and "oh dear, ill guess ill just wait 4 minutes then". The awm is definately a balanced weapon, just that some may not like it cos it slows the game down. Of course the thing is that some like the awm for the same reason. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Stealth 04:16 13/4/2001	I don't care how many kevlar vests someone is wearing, you'd still die, or be in so much shock you couldn't move. I often wonder if anyone knows what a kevlar vest does. For those of you who think you're smart - A kevlar vest will stop the bullet, but spread the shock across you're whole body. Many officers that are shot by HAND GUNS while wearing a vest will have a huge bruise across their whole upper body for weeks. Now we are talking high caliber sniper rifles here. The AWP/M is perfect. If you get shot in the leg, you can basically say bye bye to it, which most likely will kill you, or immobilize you. When shot into a wall, it leaves a whole 2.5 inches in diameter. Not to mention its armor piercing ammunition. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	[Ar-Cryptic Fate 04:17 13/4/2001	Personally I agree 100% with this article. the AWP/M adds realism to this game, personally I think its the only realism the game has. Every gun in real life would kill you in 1 shot. so quit b***hing about the AWP. I used AWP alot before v 1.1, and I still use it off and on. Before 1.1 I was a god sniper with it. within 2 days at a local server I took over the AWP stats with 970 kills... in 2 days. don't get me wrong i also had the top ranks with g3, Sg-550, and the scout. but 970 kills with the AWP in 2 days is something. now here you go with your AWP whore stuff, go ahead and say it. I don't use the AWP as much anymore because Its definately harder to use, I find I can't own with it anymore. so all you people calling it a 'n00b' gun can learn more about the damn game. and on a final note I would like to agree with the comment about the name of the gun... Arctic Warfare M A G N U M!! 1 magnum shot will put a whole in your chest big enough to put a watermellon through (okay bit of a stretch, but still). SO GET OVER IT! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Scout-Whore 05:06 13/4/2001	Nothing against AWM/P users, but it can get tedious if a guy goes to the same place time and again to snipe.... Which just makes the moment you tap him through the head with a scout all the more satisfying.... Besides, AWM/P isn't all that great. Sure, its got power, but as someone has already said, it is hardly versatile. With the scout, you at least have a chance when faced by multiple targets due to its decent rate of fire and 2-shot kill guarantee. With the AWM/P, it is as hard to retreat as it is to return fire. Try running away while under heavy fire from assault weapons to see what I mean. If you suspect someone of being a newbie who merely survives by constant AWM/P camping, then buy a scout, or better yet, knife him in the back. Knifing a sniper is one of the greatest moments in CS. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	xero 05:08 13/4/2001	at the time of writing this, i cant really remember the article...ADD or someting. but anyways, those who debate over the title of the gun...shut up. those who think the awP doesnt take skill...also shut up. just becuase u cant kill somebody doesnt mean they are cheap or their weapon is cheap. the obvious answer is to go werk on ur own skill and not b***h about somebody else's. -WoNeD [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	falkon2 05:31 13/4/2001	Try giving the scout a try, now... I won't say that either gun is better than the other, but now that the AWP has been toned down so, more often than not at the end of the round it's lying on the ground next to your dead body, forcing you to dish out another wad of cash on the next round. Don't get me wrong, if AWP and scout were the same price, I'd go for the AWP any day. Problem is, it is arse-easier to buy a scout every round, and still have money to stock up on grenades, armor, and still have some cash for retirement (or in this case, in a piggy bank as insurance for afterlife). Anyway, I think a scout user, while not being able to beat an AWPer in a 1 on 1 stand down 100% of the time, CAN hold his own. Two things to remember: 1) Accuracy: Scout is 100% accurate both zoomed/unzoomed (takes some practice without zoom), and will hit the center if you're at walking speed or slower (opposed to AWP where you MUST be stock still if you want to hit anything but sky). It means strafe-snipers will find the scout a lot more lenient. Also, when running full tilt rarely goes more than half an inch away from the crosshair, and when jumping, more often than not, the bullet goes directly below the crosshair. No clue why, but it does happen. Try it and see. 2) Speed: The scout has the fastest running speed in the whole game (right up there with knife and grenades), and when zoomed, you can still run as fast as people carrying MP5s. What does this mean? Easy, Pop around the corner for a split sec, see where an enemy is, zoom in from behind cover, then strafe out and hit him, then run back. You don't even need to switch back to the pistol after the shot to run, because Scout gives you top-notch mobility. In fact, scout actually has the best damage/time exposed ratios for standoffs. BTW, Last time I checked, I was #46 on a local league, with about 25% of my frags being scout frags (I suspect its a lot higher - after popping a guy with a scout I pull out my pistol and frag him). Its a laugh to see the stats for the League... there you have all the d00ds with AWP, AK, Carbine, MP5, etc as the favourite gun, and all of a sudden there's a scout nestled there at 46. Probably makes people scratch their heads. T: So I'm a fool. CS isn't all THAT realistic anyway in regards to weapons. The Glock 18c in real life has only 19 bullets in the clip. In CS it has twenty. So bite me. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Aracthus 05:44 13/4/2001	The AWP is the Best gun, why would anyone hate it? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Jessica 06:10 13/4/2001	Hey Five-Seven Power, your gay! I mean, "as a mater of pride, I don't awp" whats so PRIDE about that? you are a whiny 9 year old, sorry to say, if you were trying not to be. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SolidMonkey 06:41 13/4/2001	You can always know if they're a newbie if they purposely call it awM. Secondly, It is true that AWP can be lame (a la camping in siege carpark by the dumpster) but that is the way that 'newbies' must use it. One thing that I count as skill (mebbe it's just me) is being able to AWP assault. (Check out C3K's K-Sharp. There is a demo of him floating around.) The arguement that AWPers are campers is made void by this fighting style, and it also adds a degree of movement, aim and intelligence/logistics. Anyway, if you're in melbourne, go to darkside.ausgamers.com and witness the true power. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Bloober 07:26 13/4/2001	I don't think being shot in the foot should kill you -- that's bulls*. Why? Simply because I've played CS against someone who had their monitor right next to mine, for a test. And I've stood in a spot where I was 'hidden' behind a door on my screen, but on theirs, my foot or otherwise was sticking out. If that's the case, then you're taking away from the whole 'dodging' aspect, when you can hit someone who, on their screen, literally thinks they are hidden. And if you're going to make the gun kill you when you get shot in the foot, then why not make all the games as 'realistically' deadly as they should be? I mean, would you rather be playing Rogue Spear or something? Where, in all reality, a round from a Colt or AK47 is at LEAST going to knock you on your ass. I just think that to make a gun that's as damaging as the AWP (I've shot through a door and killed two people in one shot), you're unbalancing the damage model of the game. Sure, it might take some skill to use, and sure, it's fun to have to sneak around a bit. But the AWP almost goes round a bout from discouraging 'Quake play' to encouraging 'llama camp'. Llama camp being a situation where the terrorist WITH THE f*ING BOMB will sit and camp when he's the last one left on the team. Complete your goddamn objectives. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SHADE 08:35 13/4/2001	I understand why they toned down the AWM cos it was a bit unrealistic being shot in the foot an being killed. But why on earth did the take the short range sight off the assault sniper rifle the bottom one that no one buys cos it's the most expensive and takes 6 shots to kill anyhow I mean that gun is now useless no one ever did use it much but now it seems they wasted thare time codeing it in cos it has no short range corshair???. Which is a shame cos it could have been that weapons time to shine cos it realy does take pure skill to snipe with and it's not a good assault rifle at best but if you combine the 2 it could have been a good weapon in 1.1. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	-EiDoLoN- 09:27 13/4/2001	here's how i see it. i play at a local lan a lot. we usually have some of the more popular maps running (dust, militia, aztec). i know who the good people (and the not so good ones too). all is going fine when someone who hasn't been playing too well will finally buy an AWM/P and start killing people. next round. everyone buys the AWM/P (except myself). knowing this, i lay back, everyone else snipes each other to death. with me left against a few opposers, i sneak up from behind, start shooting, and he turns around and BLAOW, dead. now why would someone who legitmately earns his kills by himself be condemned to death by some lucky shot? i just say that they take the gun out and let people use the scout. now that's what i call skill. btw, i am a perfectly capable sniper myself, i just choose not to because it's a lazy man's work and i feel dirty when i get kills that i know i didn't deserve. for pure observational purposes though, since i'm actually seeing tons of real life people play CS, the ones i see using the AWM/P are those who're a little too scared to get hit (aka pansies) or those a little too frustrated that the can't get kills in CQB. remember, the first thing i ever did in a FPS was snipe. my CS rule of thumb: damn snipers, they ruin the game. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Townzenator 09:28 13/4/2001	Good point about sniping being part of it, sniping really is a necessity, but, about the skill...most anyone can be lucky with awp and kill someone one shot, while more skilled people use the scout, and actually have to aim for a smaller part (the head) to kill in one shot. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ib. 10:55 13/4/2001	I think the debate wouldn't be as bad if there were guns to contend with it... I mean, what are guns like the g3 really there for anyway? Its the most expensive gun, but almost totally useless thanks to its recoil and low accuracy. I think if we saw guns like this, and other guns that seem to be there purely for eyecandy (ie - half the pistols, the tmp ,mac10, new sig sniper) play an important different role in the game, it would improve thing drastically. Concentration should be on moving the debate away from the awp "whoring" and onto how it can be beaten, by putting those "cosmetic" weapons to use. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Leon Aghazarian aka 12:02 13/4/2001	First of all, like T (turoflynn) said, it's actually an AWM. There is an actual difference between an AWP and AWM, both in their appearance and their calibers. Just go to www.accuracyinternational.com to see for yourself. Anyway, of all the weapons in CS, the AWM has to be the most unbalanced. If anybody remembers Beta4 of CS, the AWM took a considerable time to operate the bolt and chamber the next round. THAT was balanced. What is unbalanced is having the ability to kill a player in one shot every second, which is the type of opportunity the AWM gives. If they want to balance the AWP, then let them lengthen the time it takes to fire off a round. I myself definitely prefer the Steyr Scout; that's a weapon that truly needs skill to use. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	BdM November 12:09 13/4/2001	hey blitz, this is nothing personal but i think your article is very misguided. Snipers have no place in CT/T situations, the AWP is _grossly_ overpowered and finally if the awp is "just another weapon", why do so many players use it and not the other rifles avail?? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	^Starmaster^ 12:23 13/4/2001	I fully agree that AWP is a gun where skilled people uses , but there is something i hate bout awp....THE DAMN f* UP OWN TEAM MATES , WHEN I WAS ABOUT TO KILL THE BLOODY f* ENEMIES , THE f***ING SNIPER ALWAYS TOOK MY FRAG AND I GOT ALL THE DAMAGE , HE GOT ALL THE FRAG . DAMN IT !!!!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Saucey 12:31 13/4/2001	Being killed in the same place during the same rush with the AWM does suck but this is not because someone is camping it's because you have to learn where to go and routes to take which will allow you to avode being killed. I think the people who b***h tend to be newbies who don;t understand that running straigh in is asking to die, after all for awm to stop you winning a round the sniper has to get to the good position first and then camp or they are out of the equation [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	unknown 12:34 13/4/2001	you are forgetting something... the awm is completely f***ed up because you can just run around with it and shoot people as if you were holding a shotgun. is that realism? i think not. if you would have to be still, crouched, for 1-2 seconds before you could fire, the awm would be more fair. and the clip size should be halfed. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Core 12:38 13/4/2001	Colt weakened...I dunno about what goes on in the UK...but in Australia almost every above average player has the AK as their number 1 weapon...if anything the AK should be more expensive with cheaper bullets.... 80 bucks a clip is damn expensive [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	JayDee 12:59 13/4/2001	The scout: it allows you to run at full speed, is cheap, and is a hell of a lot quieter than the awp, and costs almost half the cash. if you have the skills to get headshots with it, then i recomend you take it over the awp. i dont think i know anyone that is THAT GOOD, but im sure ill meet somoene one day. the awp is the tade off, you get the power, but it has its disadvantages. youre very vunerable, especially if youve got a s*** aim. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	psilocybe 13:11 13/4/2001	whenever I play, if you do anything but run around carelessly and get shot into little bloody pieces, people tell you aren't playing right. but that's the dead people talking. if being dead ain't lame, I dunno what is. personally, I prefer to sneak about in the shadows and tmp their legs, just for that humiliating effect. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ecliptic 13:44 13/4/2001	its a ping issue........high pingers like myself resent being picked off by people with dsl connections that we havent even had time to spot. if i was an lpb i wouldnt use the awp, not because of the hpbs (i care only for myself) but because its booooooooring. the 1.1 modifications help greatly. i think if u have armour then it shouldnt be an instant kill with a chest (still instant with head) shot so that your forced to whip out your pistol and finish them, quake arena railgun style. just my opinion. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Excess Damage 14:02 13/4/2001	Great article! I agree with your point of view, and although I don't use the AWP that often, because I prefer the assault rifles, it adds a great deal to the realism and the excitement of playing CS. Those who can get multiple clean shots in a round, while the opponent is jumping around trying to dodge bullets, get their kills mostly because they're skilled. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	S0MEGUY 14:53 13/4/2001	I dont see a problem with AWP Would real terrorists snipe with a gun that if it doesnt kill in one shot they will lose hostages lifes. Would CTs never have snipers guarding the exits the Ts could come from What game could survive without instant death from a distance The awp is not a newbie gun, if used well they can pin down a squad of enemys, if used wrongly he is another easy kill, off by centimetres and he will die he is one shot kill but miss one shot and be killed. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Truppz 15:08 13/4/2001	Did you people know how to distinguish a CS newbie from a veteran? Well, here's the trick. People calling the the 4-6 "AWP" is veterans. Why? In the first 5-6 betas it was called "Arctic Warfare Magnum/Police" ("AWP" in the buymenu. When the VGUI menus were launched (don't remember which beta) the name in the buymenu was stripped to "Arctic Warfare Magnum" ("AWM". But, it is still shortened AWP. All you ppl that don't believe me...take a look in the early betas. Or you might check the manufacturer's site http://www.accuracyinternational.com/awp.htm [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Truppz 15:11 13/4/2001	Did you people know how to distinguish a CS newbie from a veteran? Well, here's the trick. People calling the the 4-6 "AWP" is veterans. Why? In the first 5-6 betas it was called "Arctic Warfare Magnum/Police" ("AWP" in the buymenu. When the VGUI menus were launched (don't remember which beta) the name in the buymenu was stripped to "Arctic Warfare Magnum" ("AWM". But, it is still shortened AWP. All you ppl that don't believe me...take a look in the early betas. Or you might check the manufacturer's site http://www.accuracyinternational.com/awp.htm [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Sodom 15:20 13/4/2001	The AWP's controversy is over a year old, since the game was first introduced, and the thing has its ups and downs. A c**kwhore newbie AWPer can hide in some dark little corner that no man can see until there's a bullet planted between his eyes. Any little prick can camp all the time and knock everyone off in every round, there's no competition in that. I think it does add a level of skill training in the game for the person on the receiving end; If he can pick off an AWPer hiding across the map, that's just added skill points for him. He got that much better by killing the fag. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	[M:o:M]Spazze 15:24 13/4/2001	In my opinion I am an excellent camper... but hey... who isn´t... Camping is so damn easy and almost riskless compared to the colt or ak CQB players. Awp is WAYYY too powerful... they tweaked it in 1.1, which was excellent, but they need to tweak it more, it´s still too powerful. A shot in the torso should take about... let´s say: 65 health NO MORE. Head shot should of course be a one shot kill!!! I have no respect WHAT SO EVER for the wh0rez, and never will... When I was a newbie, I used too camp, but now I see how unfair it is... so I´ve stopped! Get the AWP out of CS... v. 1.2 would be PERFECT if they REMOvED the AWP... PEACE!!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dia 15:28 13/4/2001	appz you AWP whore you [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Raging Bullshit 16:16 13/4/2001	Fantastic article!! I think that even getting the 1 hit chest kill with the awp is extremely hard for even a good sniper if the opposing player would just vary his movements. Their are many ways to avoid awp fire e.g. smoke grenades, and,though i don't personally snipe to much, i don't feel guilty when i can get 3 kills as the opposing team slowly moves past my sniping spot. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	187 - An Army of One 16:42 13/4/2001	Regarding your article on the AWP sniper rifle. Here's what I think about this whole debate. First of, CS being first and foremost a tactical assault based game, sniper rifles are an important ingrediant to the counter-terrorism experience. With that said, no one should even think about questionning the AWP's place in this game. 85% of the games I play, I'll join the team who goes on the offence. So it goes without saying that most of these times, I'll encounter a sniper perched up somewhere trying to cap my head off... which adds to challenge. And to tell you frankly, rarely will an opponent equipped with an AWP will be able to take me down, because I am not stupid enough to walk out in the open, giving them a clean shot. Flashbangs & smoke grenades are also part of the game for a reason... so use them!!! The problem in CS is not the sniper rifles but the teamplay. Too many idiots out there are still looking for their daily dose of "deathmatches", joining our CS servers and ruining the game for all the real hardcore CS players. I'm talking about the real guys who'll never let a teammate down in need of backup,or rescuing the hostages, or willing to take a bullet for the VIP, or going the extra mile to plant the bomb and covering it until the last seconds... for the win. With that said, enjoy CS... and always remember to watch your six... 187 - An Army of One signing off... Over & out... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Cormega 17:02 13/4/2001	The AWP is a weapon that need a man of great skill to really know how to use it. I give Credit to all who has mastered the AWP. But the one who deserve praise is the one who only use the AWP as a LAST RESORT. I myself only turn to the AWP if i'm on a team of newbie and the other team is raping us. PS the Key to stay alive when being a snipper is a good hand gun and a Granade. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	WidowMaker 17:16 13/4/2001	U'll find me in the front of the lines every time. Rushing with my AK or Colt. or maybe an Mp5 if I'm not going that well (even if I had enuf money for a rifle) But the AWM... hmmzz, I'm just not good enuf at it. But I sure as hell love doging AWM bullets ,if there's anything in CS that gets me tensed up it's that! (Don't forget those grens guys!) I think the power of the AWM is PERFECT how it is now, maybe a bit to weak. But I really used to dislike AWM Rushers, right now, those are non-existant Anywayz, I agree when ppl say it's a weapon that takes skill. And not more/less skill then a storming maniac would have... And I encourage any1 who is a great sniper to just Ignore those newB remarks of ppl who can't stand getting sniped. Grtz, WidowMaker [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	WidowMaker 17:16 13/4/2001	U'll find me in the front of the lines every time. Rushing with my AK or Colt. or maybe an Mp5 if I'm not going that well (even if I had enuf money for a rifle) But the AWM... hmmzz, I'm just not good enuf at it. But I sure as hell love doging AWM bullets ,if there's anything in CS that gets me tensed up it's that! (Don't forget those grens guys!) I think the power of the AWM is PERFECT how it is now, maybe a bit to weak. But I really used to dislike AWM Rushers, right now, those are non-existant Anywayz, I agree when ppl say it's a weapon that takes skill. And not more/less skill then a storming maniac would have... And I encourage any1 who is a great sniper to just Ignore those newB remarks of ppl who can't stand getting sniped. Grtz, WidowMaker [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	WidowMaker 17:37 13/4/2001	U'll find me in the front of the lines every time. Rushing with my AK or Colt. or maybe an Mp5 if I'm not going that well (even if I had enuf money for a rifle) But the AWM... hmmzz, I'm just not good enuf at it. But I sure as hell love doging AWM bullets ,if there's anything in CS that gets me tensed up it's that! (Don't forget those grens guys!) I think the power of the AWM is PERFECT how it is now, maybe a bit to weak. But I really used to dislike AWM Rushers, right now, those are non-existant Anywayz, I agree when ppl say it's a weapon that takes skill. And not more/less skill then a storming maniac would have... And I encourage any1 who is a great sniper to just Ignore those newB remarks of ppl who can't stand getting sniped. Grtz, WidowMaker [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	[ze]kamikaze 17:44 13/4/2001	Break down the Scout and the AWP and you'll find the Scout is a much better weapon for a T. It's lighter, so you can run faster (for example, setting up a T rush on militia). You can pump out rounds at a faster rate (You don't really need the crosshair anymore if someone is charging straight for you). The scope is the same on both weapons and with the changes in CS 1.1, the AWP is just an overpriced Scout that weighs you down and gives your position away. You can fire a Scout and the CTs don't dive behind a rock. When they hear an AWP, it's all over. Camping time till the clock hits 0. A team of three decent Scouters fare much better than their AWP counterparts. And I've never been called a "whore" when I use the Scout. So, save your reputation and buy Scout. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	{PathFinder} Silent 18:08 13/4/2001	I agree with your article mate. The AWP does take a lot of skill to use properly and I respect people with this skill. I am my unit's sniper and I do enjoy using the AWM for it's power and fear value, the sound of an AWM does tend to keep heads down. On the negative side howeverm people do seem to take this gun a majority of the time and perhaps some variety wound further enhance both the enjoyment value of the game and the snipers skills. Peace [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	N\|N@Gi 18:11 13/4/2001	AWP RULEZ - AWP 4EVER [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	-+UnA+-hOAGIE rOLLER 18:32 13/4/2001	The awp is a gun that does not take skill.Yes, sniping does take skill and i love to snipe.If you are a true sniper you use the scout, a g3,or even the big sig.The awp is for whores that have no talent.If you are a true sniper you can use a different gun to the same extent. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	19:32 13/4/2001	You guy "T", you said that CSTeam made wrong with calling AWP as AWM. Well, due to its power "real life snipers" call it "Arctic Warfare PREDATOR" . Thats why we all call it awP. I'm enjoying CQB and I don't buy AWP often because I can't use it fast enough. Being a pro AWP'er needs lots of practice. I don't think it is a gun for babies. Midnight destroyer "Nocturne". Fell the rythim of m4a1. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DominotriX 19:58 13/4/2001	Excellent article. I consider myself a good sniper n love using the awp (plz don’t start the awp/m affair coz no true cs player cares. I’ve always called it awp n will continue to do so). There’s no sin in using the awp frequently, but I do agree that it can get really tedious for the other team when for some reason almost EVERYONE on this team gets an awp. Teams always need good snipers but when that happens the other team have a b***h of a time. The thing is, it’s no one-person’s-fault. IT’S THE WHOLE TEAM’S FAULT. You can’t go blamin only one T in siege. What seriously ruins a game for me more than all them awp ‘whores’ is the superduperlowlaggers, who I think deserve more of a debate than the awp. And by this I mean pings in the region 0-50. How many times have you emptied whole clips in his flippin brains before dying and not having caused ANY damage? I don’t know about the technical point of view, but can’t you set up ‘56k-ers only’ and ‘broadband-ers only’ servers? Let me know if such a thing is not possible. And one more thing…I don’t know what the hell some people r on about when they say “I’ve stopped using the awp since 1.1”. I think having taken off the one-shot-kills for the legs hardly makes any difference if yer good enough. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rr1wroe 20:46 13/4/2001	My only problem is when half of the opposing team has awps. That is just lame. I really hate it in maps such as dust when the t's stay back and don't plant the bomb, leading to an endless standoff in the tunnels. This forces CS to be a game of patience and not of skill. The awp is ok if there is 1 or 2 snipers per team other than that it just takes the fun out of the game. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	max 20:59 13/4/2001	great article- totally agree. i think that the AWP is a well balenced weapon i use myself if i have spare cash and everybody gets a great feeling when the oppositions AWP user is taken out by another talented sniper and it was YOU how backed them up! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SuR[MMPF] 21:07 13/4/2001	"and put a slight cog in the works" are you sure u dont mean spanner? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	[GoB]SwitcH 21:21 13/4/2001	The AWP/AWM is easy to use but very hard to master. Likewise with all the other guns. So why all the complaining? And is there a better feeling then rushing a Sniper and pull up your gun and kill him? // [GoB]SwitcH [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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	appz Founder UKTerrorist 18:58 12/4/2001	Great Article m8, I'm an awp'er myself. And I always get the "your a llama" comments, but its part of the game so you can't really say its lame. However since v1.1 its not as easy to use in my opinion and i find myself using it less and less. [ Score: 5, informative \| Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blitz Editor UKTerrorist 19:00 12/4/2001	yeah i really enjoy sniping, but as you say, i tend to gauge the use of it, i cant be arsed with the flack you cop. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Sanch3z 19:22 12/4/2001	I think the AWP's power is just about right, a shot in the leg shouldn't kill. Nice article BTW. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	bl1nd 19:24 12/4/2001	Great article..... however i cannot help but feel it would be soo much more interesting, knowledgeable (is that a word?) if my name was somewhere meantioned in the ext.. (preferably in the title, the start of each paragraph and the end) i think u all will agree...... as for the article itself. yes i agree.. awp can be a gun of skill (end comment) bl1nd http://cslogo.ukterrorist.com/bl1nd/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blitz Editor UKTerrorist 19:28 12/4/2001	thx i dunno really, still undecided to be honest. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blitz Editor UKTerrorist 19:29 12/4/2001	lol @ blind [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	decrepit Croydon 19:59 12/4/2001	Personally, i tend to suck with the AWP and not use it. Because of this I think it takes a lot of skill to use well so respect to all decent snipers. If killed by a decent sniper i can accept that, the one thing that bugs me and i think maybe others is when you're killed by someone who isnt skillful but is plain lucky. Thats when the cries of llama need come out of the closet and be thrust down the throat of this n00b that dares to kill me. However, in all honesty who can resist having a go at some1 who kills you? Its almost as unimaginable as not being alowed to curse lpbs for..er..being lpbs! Therefore in accordance with DeC's laws, i forbid the use of the AWP to all except those on my team who r skillful. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DeadGuy 22:01 12/4/2001	People play CS for a fun competition. Please enlighten me about what is enjoyable when you've played all of 25 seconds of a round and a single bullet from way off in the middle of nowhere makes you sit for the next 4 minutes. Rinse, dry, repeat, you are never playing the game unless you're hiding. And if you do hide, you're just a 'pansy camper'. Play the game, and show some nerve. I'll take my trusty scout and drop an AWP whore as often as possible, just to rub it in. I won't win every time, but when I do, that has to hurt. -DG [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	chund3r 22:16 12/4/2001	The Scout is a much better weapon than the AWP, at least that requires a little skill - You have to aim for the head to get a one shot kill. With the AWP all you have to do is hit somewhere above the legs (hardly a skillful task). It also promotes camping because joe-camper knows that he can find himself a nice spot and 'click the mouse' somewhere on the body of some approaching player. You all to often get (in my experience) a AWP camper from each team as the only survivors, both camping away, whilst everyone else twiddles their thumbs and waits for the timer to run out. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	T 22:35 12/4/2001	You people are fools. The gun is called an artic warfare magnum - awm. Why do you call it awp? You do know that was a mistake the CS team made right, calling it the awp. Anyway if you have any skill you'd joy at the opportunity to fight one with an awm, run toward them, evade their shots, and knife the SOB to death. Maybe even knife his corpse to rub it in. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Corrion 22:37 12/4/2001	well, i used to use the awp a lot b4 1.1 came out. even tho a leg shot doesn't kill anymore, which is a good thing, i found out that 50% of my torso shot doesn't kill either. it's kind of annoying how u take forever just to manage to get a shot off, and then it just hits the torso but they don't die. if i wanted that, then i might as well use the scout. another thing that bothers me that u can't assault with "assault sniper rifles" anymore. u can't really assault your enemy when you're scoped, but without it u can't aim at anything! even tho i don't use them, i still find it disturbing, and a waste of money. i think they should make it so that there's no crosshair on the scout and awp, but crosshair for every other sniper rifle. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Wonder Hamster 22:45 12/4/2001	I think there's nothing wrong with using the awp (i don't use it personally, being a cqb guy) Here's why: 1- If you make yourself an easy target (ie. straight line runner) you deserve to eat that bullet 2-With a combination of grenades, the right route, and some skill, snipers are easily defeated. 3- If you know there's a sniper somewhere, and you go out of your way to kill him...and die... it's your own fault...sure it only took 1 shot... but hey... you missed with 29.5 of yours. I think that the sniper rifles(except scout, due to low cost) should be as powerfull as the awp used to be (well maybe the semi's a little weaker) because as is the awp is almost at a disadvantage at longrange to a few people with aug's. At long range, Sniper rifles should rule... Period [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Crack 22:45 12/4/2001	I dont think it was fair to weaken the AWP since it is NOT the best gun in the game. It does take a lot of skill and strategy to use the AWP well. But is a very limited gun since it is not a very versatile gun. If any gun should be weakend it is the Colt. In skilled hand it is the most powerful/versatile gun in the entire game. Look on any server the keeps stats. The Colt is the gun of choice for high kill ratios. I've never seen AWPers at the top of any of server stat lists. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	[WI]Mr. President 22:47 12/4/2001	I think the scout is more skillful cuz u have to aim at the head to get 1 shot kill. plus the scout a lot cheaper, like $2500. if u really have the skill, u can take off ur opponets heads with in the 2nd or 3rd round. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Omicron 22:47 12/4/2001	Totally agree with your artical. The awp isn't just some gun any body can pick up and do well with, fact of the matter is most people just suck with it. They just get mad when they foolishly run out into the open and get popped. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	sbivens 22:48 12/4/2001	Roger That. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	sbivens 22:52 12/4/2001	one more thing. SUCK IT UP AND KNIFE THE AWP WHORE, QUIT WHINING (to all the anti-awp whiners) I can't use the damn thing either, but it's just another good reason to gun 'em down when they poke their little heads out; or sneak up and stab 'em in the back. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MuDvAyNe 22:54 12/4/2001	i agree 100% with your article. awp is skills. no skils no nothing, simple. you cant just shoot and voila, you have to be quick. a reminder to every awp hater It is called the artic warfare MAGNUM i it not. magnum, does that tell you weak or strong, not only that sniper rifles are designed to take your target out in one shot. i know not the legs but a MAGNUM rifle should kill in one shot on the upper body without a doubt. it oesnt take a lot of ak bullets either so whats there to complain bout. thx for showing the cs world that an awp is skills and it is very useful to the game making it replayable [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Soul Assassin 22:55 12/4/2001	T, you are retarded... in the beta versions it was called Arctic Warfare Police/Magnum. So don't talk down to us you newbie. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	BigSack 23:01 12/4/2001	Funny how those who whine about the awm/p the most are the same that cry "Camping Whore!" whenever someone doesn't just charge into the open and go nuts with autofire weapons. I used to love Quake3, play it all the time. Then I played CS and now I can't play Quake3 anymore. If you just want a PsychoRunAroundFiringAtMaxRate game, you should play Quake. I like CS because it incorporates tactics, such as sniping with the awm/p or ambushing people from a good hiding spot. I'm a mediocre player of CS, and I don't get killed more than once a round by an "awpwhore." In fact, at a distance, I've sometimes been able to take out an "awpwhore" with my trusty Deagle. The awm/p takes skill, and yes a n00b might get lucky every once in a while (same as if he was using an m4a1), but only the truly good players can put a sniper to efficient use all the time (I'm not one of those, I buy an awm/p maybe once out of every 100 rounds, I prefer to snipe with the sig or the aug). Yes, CS is supposed to be "more realistic" than other FPS. Yes, in "real life" (whatever that is) even with a kevlar jacket you can get turfed by a single shot to the body. I love that about CS. So go play Quake3 or qwitcherb***hin. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	FlyGuy 23:04 12/4/2001	First of all, the AWP is a great weapon in cs. It adds a equilibrium to the game. Yeah, it kicks ass in the hands of a good sniper from afar, but in close , it not really affective at all. I hate when people whine about cheap AWP s*. I for one, know how to dodge, is the awp holder is a fun target for me, and if u get shot: 1. Buy an AWP and show him whos boss 2. suck it up and kill him w/ a tmp from afar an embarass the s* out of him AWPs are an integral part of the game, and last , on another topic, why do dumbasses always whine when a new cs comes out? If u dont like it, DONT PLAY IT!im sick of people always whining about bugs, if u dont like it , play dod, tfc, flf, or firearns for a good time. -FlyGuy I'll back up any of my claims in a game, email me and i'll show you. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	BigSack 23:05 12/4/2001	I meant I don't get killed more than once a MAP by an awm/p whore. Kinda hard to get yourself killed more than once a round anyway, eh? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	zahd 23:05 12/4/2001	i don't mind the 1 shot kill, but i think the 1 shot kill should be limited to headshots or body shots with no kevlar. i think it should take 2 shots if the guy has kevlar. i mean, with the awp it's like wasting money buying the armor. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Five-Seven Power 23:15 12/4/2001	The last thing I want to sound like here is a little 9 year old whiner who can't stand losing so bear with my here... The only reason for the awp that I can see is the one mentioned at the start of the article. It stops CS from turning into a Deathmatch. I meen who can honestly say they are not scared of an awp? Anyway, the one thing I CAN'T agree with in the article is when he says that the one-shot-kill adds realism. OK, lemme get a Mac-10 and put a round in you chest. Try to tell me that won't kill/cripple you. Oh and by the way, I never awp, as a mater of pride. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Jello9 23:33 12/4/2001	OMFG U R IDIOTS THE AWM/AWP IS A NO SKILL GUN!!!!!!! When I have never used to awp when i was a newb i bought it to try it out... killed one... another... another... another my stats rose from 2-13 to 8-14!!! I WAS A DAMN NEWB!!! i HATE AWP WHORES!!!!!!!!!! ITS S NO SKILL GUN!!!! 100% ACCURATE!!!!!!!! U GUYS SUK!!!!!!!!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Lost 01:31 13/4/2001	Im going to have to agree with Mr. 5-7. I absolutely love CS, its a fabulous game. Flawless and realistic its not. The controversy over the awm/p is a just one. Have any of you hunted? Do most of you pro awpers know how difficult it is to simply hit a target standing completely still is? Much less a target which poses a threat. Combine that with trying to strafe. That is almost completely impossible. I dont care who you are, Navy SEAL or not thats an incredible task in which a very very small percentage of even the special forces could accomplish. Most snipers remain motionless for hours on end with thier weapons perfectly balanced on tri-pods. The power from a absolute one shot kill weapon would have to incredible, which translates into unreliable shooting at the least standing up. The interesting thing is in CS from mid to long distance its a very simple task ( not to say that the awp is skilless, CQB with the weapon is difficult) but lets face it, most "Whores" use the awm and only the awm and remain in the same spot distant from action, making it incredibly easy for them. At a distance its simply point and click. Theres no compensation for recoil, theres two zoom magnifications. I mean come on. Anyhit center mass and your opponents toast. If I can get shot in the face and keep fighting, I can get hit in the shoulder or the hip and sqeeze off some rounds. The gun simply is unrealistically easy to use. Keep the power if you want but at least make them duck when they shoot it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	-DWW-Ditze 01:45 13/4/2001	I think the way a player uses the awp shows his skills in cs, but not only his aiming skills. Yes, it is a weapon of skill, a newbie won't reach a stat of 30/10 with an awp in his hands. But the problem is that an additional skill is dealing with the responsibility you have when you're a player who kills 9 players with 10 shots. You really CAN spoil the others fun when you're talented with the awp, so you have to know when you've used the weapon long enough and it's time to switch to the other weapons (yes, they still exist). I respect a player who doesn't miss with the awp, but I can't respect somebody who uses it since he can afford it and doesn't use any other weapon - it isn't that hard to rule certain maps with the awp once you've found out how to aim with it. Sniping is only one aspect of the game, and you're missing most of the fun you can have in dogfights if you're only running around in the sniper mode. Cs is still a game and meant to make fun not stats. In my opinion the weapon is not too powerful if the player uses it responsible. I think everybody knows the feeling when you've just missed your first shot with your awp and that colt b***h running towards you keeps on firing and firing... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	[Dr.S]Green Eggs and 02:20 13/4/2001	I originally was a hater of awps. One of my closest friends, [Dr.S]1Fish-2Fish is an AWP and can snipe my ass off left and right. There are times, however, when I kick his ass as well. For example, in BEta 7.5 I remember our nicknames given to us by the Fragn members of the server (we play on fragnation 64.8.8.212:27016). We were not AWP whores, we were scout whores. My friend and I would walk in with our scouts and annihilate the enemy. Then he switched to the awp(=() and I stayed with the scout. There are times when I feel the scout is better than the awp. Just yesterday, I saw my friend get shot in the legs with the awp and he shot the guy in the head with the scout. He won! I think they did a good job by making the awp only "one-shot" in the head and torso. It eliminates the need for people to call it a whore weapon and it does carry some realism with it(although if you actually got shot with a sniper rifle, you would probably die of blood loss, but that's not in cs so you wouldn't die if shot in the leg). I think it is a fair weapon also because of the cost. Sure, a "whore" might kill you one or two rounds, but then you get the satisfaction of killing him ( he loses $4500) and possibly stealing his awp. Then, to really p*** him off, spray your logo on his dead carcas and shoot the awp in the sky. You have to remember that this is a game, but you can still make people mad when you steal what they paid for =). [Dr.S]Green Eggs and Ham //Disregard any spelling mistakes want to play cs now!!!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	sinizuh 02:33 13/4/2001	damn beatnik awpin whores. they just sit and camp. i still dunno why they didn't call "jeepathon2k" to "bunchofidiotswithawps...ohyea,therearejeepstoo" get rid of awp and add a silenced rifle that is a little be stronger than scout. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Mayco 02:44 13/4/2001	cool! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	possum 02:48 13/4/2001	cool article. i'm not an awp user myself (i can't fricken aim...), but personaly i think that it was a mistake to tone it down in cs1.1 the reason? cause this is a gun that uses amunition that could shoot down a light plane. can you imagine what happens to your leg when you cop an awp round in the thigh? it disapears. you wind up with a bleeding stump attached to your hips. sure - that doesn't mean definate death, but it's certainly enough to take someone out of action in game terms... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fecal_Storm 03:15 13/4/2001	The AWP/AWM requires quite a bit of skill and practice to master and anyone who can use it so effectively that they achieve the vaunted "whore" status should get a pat on the back. It does suck to die from AWP shots because you always feel like you could have gotten him if not for his lucky one shot hitting you. The simple fact is this, anyone who is dominating is somehow lame, regardless of weapon or method. They jump too much or duck too much or flash too much or fart too much, whatever. I simplify my in game whining by narrowing it down to this simple statement. "You lame F4GOT YOU KILLED ME!!! ALL PEOPLE THAT USE THAT GUN ARE LAME (Notice the indirect reference to gun, no need to be specific, keeps the insult reusable) AND SO ARE PEOPLE WHO JUMP AND USE FLASHES YOU CHEETER F4GOT WHORE WALLHACKING ASSLIVER!!!!!!!" In other words, nice shot! Oops forgot to throw in the ole autoaim comment in my whining. //Feel free to use my "Ever Reusable CS Whine" Tm. //As long as you keep this statement intact. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DeathPig 03:16 13/4/2001	Yeah, FiveseveN, but I can't count how many times everyone's been dead but 4 people: the 3 AFK's and some lame camper with an AWP We're all sitting around, waiting for someone to do something. Every time I see someone with an AWP, I think to myself "he's either going to cover me, or he's going to hole up somewhere, watch me get shot in the back, and then shoot the guy who got me". Too many folks with AWP's are just in it for the kill ratio, not for the team. T's with awp's camp in sight of the bomb and let time run out. CT's with awp's camp after the bomb's been planted and they should be trying to defuse. The problem isn't the awp. It's the personality of a lot (not all) of the deathmatch-oriented crowd that uses it. Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Abatka 03:27 13/4/2001	I personally find the AWP/M distasteful, and would much rather use the scout... also there's no better feeling than to nail an awp whore with a scout.. and about the comment that sniper rifles should kill in one shot: generally, most guns will take someone down in the first few shots... if you want realism, go play Rougue Spear (I love that game sooo much). GO SCOUT AND TMP! <-two favorite guns [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nameless_Fred 04:16 13/4/2001	Well its not that i dont like the awm, its just it takes some of the frantic fun out of the game. I prefer a good old assualt rifle shoot out or an SMG CQB type affair. Mainly because you have fast firing guns and its easy to hold down the trigger but youve got to take into account the recoil and so on and control yourself. Its much more tense because you dont know if youll hit or not or whether your opponent is about to get a lucky shot to your head (a bit like playing paintball). Sniping is tense as well but a bit slower and a bit duller. Plus, 1 mistake and "oh dear, ill guess ill just wait 4 minutes then". The awm is definately a balanced weapon, just that some may not like it cos it slows the game down. Of course the thing is that some like the awm for the same reason. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Stealth 04:16 13/4/2001	I don't care how many kevlar vests someone is wearing, you'd still die, or be in so much shock you couldn't move. I often wonder if anyone knows what a kevlar vest does. For those of you who think you're smart - A kevlar vest will stop the bullet, but spread the shock across you're whole body. Many officers that are shot by HAND GUNS while wearing a vest will have a huge bruise across their whole upper body for weeks. Now we are talking high caliber sniper rifles here. The AWP/M is perfect. If you get shot in the leg, you can basically say bye bye to it, which most likely will kill you, or immobilize you. When shot into a wall, it leaves a whole 2.5 inches in diameter. Not to mention its armor piercing ammunition. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	[Ar-Cryptic Fate 04:17 13/4/2001	Personally I agree 100% with this article. the AWP/M adds realism to this game, personally I think its the only realism the game has. Every gun in real life would kill you in 1 shot. so quit b***hing about the AWP. I used AWP alot before v 1.1, and I still use it off and on. Before 1.1 I was a god sniper with it. within 2 days at a local server I took over the AWP stats with 970 kills... in 2 days. don't get me wrong i also had the top ranks with g3, Sg-550, and the scout. but 970 kills with the AWP in 2 days is something. now here you go with your AWP whore stuff, go ahead and say it. I don't use the AWP as much anymore because Its definately harder to use, I find I can't own with it anymore. so all you people calling it a 'n00b' gun can learn more about the damn game. and on a final note I would like to agree with the comment about the name of the gun... Arctic Warfare M A G N U M!! 1 magnum shot will put a whole in your chest big enough to put a watermellon through (okay bit of a stretch, but still). SO GET OVER IT! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Scout-Whore 05:06 13/4/2001	Nothing against AWM/P users, but it can get tedious if a guy goes to the same place time and again to snipe.... Which just makes the moment you tap him through the head with a scout all the more satisfying.... Besides, AWM/P isn't all that great. Sure, its got power, but as someone has already said, it is hardly versatile. With the scout, you at least have a chance when faced by multiple targets due to its decent rate of fire and 2-shot kill guarantee. With the AWM/P, it is as hard to retreat as it is to return fire. Try running away while under heavy fire from assault weapons to see what I mean. If you suspect someone of being a newbie who merely survives by constant AWM/P camping, then buy a scout, or better yet, knife him in the back. Knifing a sniper is one of the greatest moments in CS. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	xero 05:08 13/4/2001	at the time of writing this, i cant really remember the article...ADD or someting. but anyways, those who debate over the title of the gun...shut up. those who think the awP doesnt take skill...also shut up. just becuase u cant kill somebody doesnt mean they are cheap or their weapon is cheap. the obvious answer is to go werk on ur own skill and not b***h about somebody else's. -WoNeD [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	falkon2 05:31 13/4/2001	Try giving the scout a try, now... I won't say that either gun is better than the other, but now that the AWP has been toned down so, more often than not at the end of the round it's lying on the ground next to your dead body, forcing you to dish out another wad of cash on the next round. Don't get me wrong, if AWP and scout were the same price, I'd go for the AWP any day. Problem is, it is arse-easier to buy a scout every round, and still have money to stock up on grenades, armor, and still have some cash for retirement (or in this case, in a piggy bank as insurance for afterlife). Anyway, I think a scout user, while not being able to beat an AWPer in a 1 on 1 stand down 100% of the time, CAN hold his own. Two things to remember: 1) Accuracy: Scout is 100% accurate both zoomed/unzoomed (takes some practice without zoom), and will hit the center if you're at walking speed or slower (opposed to AWP where you MUST be stock still if you want to hit anything but sky). It means strafe-snipers will find the scout a lot more lenient. Also, when running full tilt rarely goes more than half an inch away from the crosshair, and when jumping, more often than not, the bullet goes directly below the crosshair. No clue why, but it does happen. Try it and see. 2) Speed: The scout has the fastest running speed in the whole game (right up there with knife and grenades), and when zoomed, you can still run as fast as people carrying MP5s. What does this mean? Easy, Pop around the corner for a split sec, see where an enemy is, zoom in from behind cover, then strafe out and hit him, then run back. You don't even need to switch back to the pistol after the shot to run, because Scout gives you top-notch mobility. In fact, scout actually has the best damage/time exposed ratios for standoffs. BTW, Last time I checked, I was #46 on a local league, with about 25% of my frags being scout frags (I suspect its a lot higher - after popping a guy with a scout I pull out my pistol and frag him). Its a laugh to see the stats for the League... there you have all the d00ds with AWP, AK, Carbine, MP5, etc as the favourite gun, and all of a sudden there's a scout nestled there at 46. Probably makes people scratch their heads. T: So I'm a fool. CS isn't all THAT realistic anyway in regards to weapons. The Glock 18c in real life has only 19 bullets in the clip. In CS it has twenty. So bite me. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Aracthus 05:44 13/4/2001	The AWP is the Best gun, why would anyone hate it? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Jessica 06:10 13/4/2001	Hey Five-Seven Power, your gay! I mean, "as a mater of pride, I don't awp" whats so PRIDE about that? you are a whiny 9 year old, sorry to say, if you were trying not to be. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SolidMonkey 06:41 13/4/2001	You can always know if they're a newbie if they purposely call it awM. Secondly, It is true that AWP can be lame (a la camping in siege carpark by the dumpster) but that is the way that 'newbies' must use it. One thing that I count as skill (mebbe it's just me) is being able to AWP assault. (Check out C3K's K-Sharp. There is a demo of him floating around.) The arguement that AWPers are campers is made void by this fighting style, and it also adds a degree of movement, aim and intelligence/logistics. Anyway, if you're in melbourne, go to darkside.ausgamers.com and witness the true power. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Bloober 07:26 13/4/2001	I don't think being shot in the foot should kill you -- that's bulls*. Why? Simply because I've played CS against someone who had their monitor right next to mine, for a test. And I've stood in a spot where I was 'hidden' behind a door on my screen, but on theirs, my foot or otherwise was sticking out. If that's the case, then you're taking away from the whole 'dodging' aspect, when you can hit someone who, on their screen, literally thinks they are hidden. And if you're going to make the gun kill you when you get shot in the foot, then why not make all the games as 'realistically' deadly as they should be? I mean, would you rather be playing Rogue Spear or something? Where, in all reality, a round from a Colt or AK47 is at LEAST going to knock you on your ass. I just think that to make a gun that's as damaging as the AWP (I've shot through a door and killed two people in one shot), you're unbalancing the damage model of the game. Sure, it might take some skill to use, and sure, it's fun to have to sneak around a bit. But the AWP almost goes round a bout from discouraging 'Quake play' to encouraging 'llama camp'. Llama camp being a situation where the terrorist WITH THE f*ING BOMB will sit and camp when he's the last one left on the team. Complete your goddamn objectives. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SHADE 08:35 13/4/2001	I understand why they toned down the AWM cos it was a bit unrealistic being shot in the foot an being killed. But why on earth did the take the short range sight off the assault sniper rifle the bottom one that no one buys cos it's the most expensive and takes 6 shots to kill anyhow I mean that gun is now useless no one ever did use it much but now it seems they wasted thare time codeing it in cos it has no short range corshair???. Which is a shame cos it could have been that weapons time to shine cos it realy does take pure skill to snipe with and it's not a good assault rifle at best but if you combine the 2 it could have been a good weapon in 1.1. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	-EiDoLoN- 09:27 13/4/2001	here's how i see it. i play at a local lan a lot. we usually have some of the more popular maps running (dust, militia, aztec). i know who the good people (and the not so good ones too). all is going fine when someone who hasn't been playing too well will finally buy an AWM/P and start killing people. next round. everyone buys the AWM/P (except myself). knowing this, i lay back, everyone else snipes each other to death. with me left against a few opposers, i sneak up from behind, start shooting, and he turns around and BLAOW, dead. now why would someone who legitmately earns his kills by himself be condemned to death by some lucky shot? i just say that they take the gun out and let people use the scout. now that's what i call skill. btw, i am a perfectly capable sniper myself, i just choose not to because it's a lazy man's work and i feel dirty when i get kills that i know i didn't deserve. for pure observational purposes though, since i'm actually seeing tons of real life people play CS, the ones i see using the AWM/P are those who're a little too scared to get hit (aka pansies) or those a little too frustrated that the can't get kills in CQB. remember, the first thing i ever did in a FPS was snipe. my CS rule of thumb: damn snipers, they ruin the game. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Townzenator 09:28 13/4/2001	Good point about sniping being part of it, sniping really is a necessity, but, about the skill...most anyone can be lucky with awp and kill someone one shot, while more skilled people use the scout, and actually have to aim for a smaller part (the head) to kill in one shot. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ib. 10:55 13/4/2001	I think the debate wouldn't be as bad if there were guns to contend with it... I mean, what are guns like the g3 really there for anyway? Its the most expensive gun, but almost totally useless thanks to its recoil and low accuracy. I think if we saw guns like this, and other guns that seem to be there purely for eyecandy (ie - half the pistols, the tmp ,mac10, new sig sniper) play an important different role in the game, it would improve thing drastically. Concentration should be on moving the debate away from the awp "whoring" and onto how it can be beaten, by putting those "cosmetic" weapons to use. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Leon Aghazarian aka 12:02 13/4/2001	First of all, like T (turoflynn) said, it's actually an AWM. There is an actual difference between an AWP and AWM, both in their appearance and their calibers. Just go to www.accuracyinternational.com to see for yourself. Anyway, of all the weapons in CS, the AWM has to be the most unbalanced. If anybody remembers Beta4 of CS, the AWM took a considerable time to operate the bolt and chamber the next round. THAT was balanced. What is unbalanced is having the ability to kill a player in one shot every second, which is the type of opportunity the AWM gives. If they want to balance the AWP, then let them lengthen the time it takes to fire off a round. I myself definitely prefer the Steyr Scout; that's a weapon that truly needs skill to use. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	BdM November 12:09 13/4/2001	hey blitz, this is nothing personal but i think your article is very misguided. Snipers have no place in CT/T situations, the AWP is _grossly_ overpowered and finally if the awp is "just another weapon", why do so many players use it and not the other rifles avail?? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	^Starmaster^ 12:23 13/4/2001	I fully agree that AWP is a gun where skilled people uses , but there is something i hate bout awp....THE DAMN f* UP OWN TEAM MATES , WHEN I WAS ABOUT TO KILL THE BLOODY f* ENEMIES , THE f***ING SNIPER ALWAYS TOOK MY FRAG AND I GOT ALL THE DAMAGE , HE GOT ALL THE FRAG . DAMN IT !!!!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Saucey 12:31 13/4/2001	Being killed in the same place during the same rush with the AWM does suck but this is not because someone is camping it's because you have to learn where to go and routes to take which will allow you to avode being killed. I think the people who b***h tend to be newbies who don;t understand that running straigh in is asking to die, after all for awm to stop you winning a round the sniper has to get to the good position first and then camp or they are out of the equation [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	unknown 12:34 13/4/2001	you are forgetting something... the awm is completely f***ed up because you can just run around with it and shoot people as if you were holding a shotgun. is that realism? i think not. if you would have to be still, crouched, for 1-2 seconds before you could fire, the awm would be more fair. and the clip size should be halfed. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Core 12:38 13/4/2001	Colt weakened...I dunno about what goes on in the UK...but in Australia almost every above average player has the AK as their number 1 weapon...if anything the AK should be more expensive with cheaper bullets.... 80 bucks a clip is damn expensive [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	JayDee 12:59 13/4/2001	The scout: it allows you to run at full speed, is cheap, and is a hell of a lot quieter than the awp, and costs almost half the cash. if you have the skills to get headshots with it, then i recomend you take it over the awp. i dont think i know anyone that is THAT GOOD, but im sure ill meet somoene one day. the awp is the tade off, you get the power, but it has its disadvantages. youre very vunerable, especially if youve got a s*** aim. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	psilocybe 13:11 13/4/2001	whenever I play, if you do anything but run around carelessly and get shot into little bloody pieces, people tell you aren't playing right. but that's the dead people talking. if being dead ain't lame, I dunno what is. personally, I prefer to sneak about in the shadows and tmp their legs, just for that humiliating effect. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ecliptic 13:44 13/4/2001	its a ping issue........high pingers like myself resent being picked off by people with dsl connections that we havent even had time to spot. if i was an lpb i wouldnt use the awp, not because of the hpbs (i care only for myself) but because its booooooooring. the 1.1 modifications help greatly. i think if u have armour then it shouldnt be an instant kill with a chest (still instant with head) shot so that your forced to whip out your pistol and finish them, quake arena railgun style. just my opinion. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Excess Damage 14:02 13/4/2001	Great article! I agree with your point of view, and although I don't use the AWP that often, because I prefer the assault rifles, it adds a great deal to the realism and the excitement of playing CS. Those who can get multiple clean shots in a round, while the opponent is jumping around trying to dodge bullets, get their kills mostly because they're skilled. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	S0MEGUY 14:53 13/4/2001	I dont see a problem with AWP Would real terrorists snipe with a gun that if it doesnt kill in one shot they will lose hostages lifes. Would CTs never have snipers guarding the exits the Ts could come from What game could survive without instant death from a distance The awp is not a newbie gun, if used well they can pin down a squad of enemys, if used wrongly he is another easy kill, off by centimetres and he will die he is one shot kill but miss one shot and be killed. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Truppz 15:08 13/4/2001	Did you people know how to distinguish a CS newbie from a veteran? Well, here's the trick. People calling the the 4-6 "AWP" is veterans. Why? In the first 5-6 betas it was called "Arctic Warfare Magnum/Police" ("AWP" in the buymenu. When the VGUI menus were launched (don't remember which beta) the name in the buymenu was stripped to "Arctic Warfare Magnum" ("AWM". But, it is still shortened AWP. All you ppl that don't believe me...take a look in the early betas. Or you might check the manufacturer's site http://www.accuracyinternational.com/awp.htm [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Truppz 15:11 13/4/2001	Did you people know how to distinguish a CS newbie from a veteran? Well, here's the trick. People calling the the 4-6 "AWP" is veterans. Why? In the first 5-6 betas it was called "Arctic Warfare Magnum/Police" ("AWP" in the buymenu. When the VGUI menus were launched (don't remember which beta) the name in the buymenu was stripped to "Arctic Warfare Magnum" ("AWM". But, it is still shortened AWP. All you ppl that don't believe me...take a look in the early betas. Or you might check the manufacturer's site http://www.accuracyinternational.com/awp.htm [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Sodom 15:20 13/4/2001	The AWP's controversy is over a year old, since the game was first introduced, and the thing has its ups and downs. A c**kwhore newbie AWPer can hide in some dark little corner that no man can see until there's a bullet planted between his eyes. Any little prick can camp all the time and knock everyone off in every round, there's no competition in that. I think it does add a level of skill training in the game for the person on the receiving end; If he can pick off an AWPer hiding across the map, that's just added skill points for him. He got that much better by killing the fag. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	[M:o:M]Spazze 15:24 13/4/2001	In my opinion I am an excellent camper... but hey... who isn´t... Camping is so damn easy and almost riskless compared to the colt or ak CQB players. Awp is WAYYY too powerful... they tweaked it in 1.1, which was excellent, but they need to tweak it more, it´s still too powerful. A shot in the torso should take about... let´s say: 65 health NO MORE. Head shot should of course be a one shot kill!!! I have no respect WHAT SO EVER for the wh0rez, and never will... When I was a newbie, I used too camp, but now I see how unfair it is... so I´ve stopped! Get the AWP out of CS... v. 1.2 would be PERFECT if they REMOvED the AWP... PEACE!!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dia 15:28 13/4/2001	appz you AWP whore you [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Raging Bullshit 16:16 13/4/2001	Fantastic article!! I think that even getting the 1 hit chest kill with the awp is extremely hard for even a good sniper if the opposing player would just vary his movements. Their are many ways to avoid awp fire e.g. smoke grenades, and,though i don't personally snipe to much, i don't feel guilty when i can get 3 kills as the opposing team slowly moves past my sniping spot. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	187 - An Army of One 16:42 13/4/2001	Regarding your article on the AWP sniper rifle. Here's what I think about this whole debate. First of, CS being first and foremost a tactical assault based game, sniper rifles are an important ingrediant to the counter-terrorism experience. With that said, no one should even think about questionning the AWP's place in this game. 85% of the games I play, I'll join the team who goes on the offence. So it goes without saying that most of these times, I'll encounter a sniper perched up somewhere trying to cap my head off... which adds to challenge. And to tell you frankly, rarely will an opponent equipped with an AWP will be able to take me down, because I am not stupid enough to walk out in the open, giving them a clean shot. Flashbangs & smoke grenades are also part of the game for a reason... so use them!!! The problem in CS is not the sniper rifles but the teamplay. Too many idiots out there are still looking for their daily dose of "deathmatches", joining our CS servers and ruining the game for all the real hardcore CS players. I'm talking about the real guys who'll never let a teammate down in need of backup,or rescuing the hostages, or willing to take a bullet for the VIP, or going the extra mile to plant the bomb and covering it until the last seconds... for the win. With that said, enjoy CS... and always remember to watch your six... 187 - An Army of One signing off... Over & out... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Cormega 17:02 13/4/2001	The AWP is a weapon that need a man of great skill to really know how to use it. I give Credit to all who has mastered the AWP. But the one who deserve praise is the one who only use the AWP as a LAST RESORT. I myself only turn to the AWP if i'm on a team of newbie and the other team is raping us. PS the Key to stay alive when being a snipper is a good hand gun and a Granade. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	WidowMaker 17:16 13/4/2001	U'll find me in the front of the lines every time. Rushing with my AK or Colt. or maybe an Mp5 if I'm not going that well (even if I had enuf money for a rifle) But the AWM... hmmzz, I'm just not good enuf at it. But I sure as hell love doging AWM bullets ,if there's anything in CS that gets me tensed up it's that! (Don't forget those grens guys!) I think the power of the AWM is PERFECT how it is now, maybe a bit to weak. But I really used to dislike AWM Rushers, right now, those are non-existant Anywayz, I agree when ppl say it's a weapon that takes skill. And not more/less skill then a storming maniac would have... And I encourage any1 who is a great sniper to just Ignore those newB remarks of ppl who can't stand getting sniped. Grtz, WidowMaker [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	WidowMaker 17:16 13/4/2001	U'll find me in the front of the lines every time. Rushing with my AK or Colt. or maybe an Mp5 if I'm not going that well (even if I had enuf money for a rifle) But the AWM... hmmzz, I'm just not good enuf at it. But I sure as hell love doging AWM bullets ,if there's anything in CS that gets me tensed up it's that! (Don't forget those grens guys!) I think the power of the AWM is PERFECT how it is now, maybe a bit to weak. But I really used to dislike AWM Rushers, right now, those are non-existant Anywayz, I agree when ppl say it's a weapon that takes skill. And not more/less skill then a storming maniac would have... And I encourage any1 who is a great sniper to just Ignore those newB remarks of ppl who can't stand getting sniped. Grtz, WidowMaker [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	WidowMaker 17:37 13/4/2001	U'll find me in the front of the lines every time. Rushing with my AK or Colt. or maybe an Mp5 if I'm not going that well (even if I had enuf money for a rifle) But the AWM... hmmzz, I'm just not good enuf at it. But I sure as hell love doging AWM bullets ,if there's anything in CS that gets me tensed up it's that! (Don't forget those grens guys!) I think the power of the AWM is PERFECT how it is now, maybe a bit to weak. But I really used to dislike AWM Rushers, right now, those are non-existant Anywayz, I agree when ppl say it's a weapon that takes skill. And not more/less skill then a storming maniac would have... And I encourage any1 who is a great sniper to just Ignore those newB remarks of ppl who can't stand getting sniped. Grtz, WidowMaker [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	[ze]kamikaze 17:44 13/4/2001	Break down the Scout and the AWP and you'll find the Scout is a much better weapon for a T. It's lighter, so you can run faster (for example, setting up a T rush on militia). You can pump out rounds at a faster rate (You don't really need the crosshair anymore if someone is charging straight for you). The scope is the same on both weapons and with the changes in CS 1.1, the AWP is just an overpriced Scout that weighs you down and gives your position away. You can fire a Scout and the CTs don't dive behind a rock. When they hear an AWP, it's all over. Camping time till the clock hits 0. A team of three decent Scouters fare much better than their AWP counterparts. And I've never been called a "whore" when I use the Scout. So, save your reputation and buy Scout. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	{PathFinder} Silent 18:08 13/4/2001	I agree with your article mate. The AWP does take a lot of skill to use properly and I respect people with this skill. I am my unit's sniper and I do enjoy using the AWM for it's power and fear value, the sound of an AWM does tend to keep heads down. On the negative side howeverm people do seem to take this gun a majority of the time and perhaps some variety wound further enhance both the enjoyment value of the game and the snipers skills. Peace [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	N\|N@Gi 18:11 13/4/2001	AWP RULEZ - AWP 4EVER [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	-+UnA+-hOAGIE rOLLER 18:32 13/4/2001	The awp is a gun that does not take skill.Yes, sniping does take skill and i love to snipe.If you are a true sniper you use the scout, a g3,or even the big sig.The awp is for whores that have no talent.If you are a true sniper you can use a different gun to the same extent. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	19:32 13/4/2001	You guy "T", you said that CSTeam made wrong with calling AWP as AWM. Well, due to its power "real life snipers" call it "Arctic Warfare PREDATOR" . Thats why we all call it awP. I'm enjoying CQB and I don't buy AWP often because I can't use it fast enough. Being a pro AWP'er needs lots of practice. I don't think it is a gun for babies. Midnight destroyer "Nocturne". Fell the rythim of m4a1. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DominotriX 19:58 13/4/2001	Excellent article. I consider myself a good sniper n love using the awp (plz don’t start the awp/m affair coz no true cs player cares. I’ve always called it awp n will continue to do so). There’s no sin in using the awp frequently, but I do agree that it can get really tedious for the other team when for some reason almost EVERYONE on this team gets an awp. Teams always need good snipers but when that happens the other team have a b***h of a time. The thing is, it’s no one-person’s-fault. IT’S THE WHOLE TEAM’S FAULT. You can’t go blamin only one T in siege. What seriously ruins a game for me more than all them awp ‘whores’ is the superduperlowlaggers, who I think deserve more of a debate than the awp. And by this I mean pings in the region 0-50. How many times have you emptied whole clips in his flippin brains before dying and not having caused ANY damage? I don’t know about the technical point of view, but can’t you set up ‘56k-ers only’ and ‘broadband-ers only’ servers? Let me know if such a thing is not possible. And one more thing…I don’t know what the hell some people r on about when they say “I’ve stopped using the awp since 1.1”. I think having taken off the one-shot-kills for the legs hardly makes any difference if yer good enough. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rr1wroe 20:46 13/4/2001	My only problem is when half of the opposing team has awps. That is just lame. I really hate it in maps such as dust when the t's stay back and don't plant the bomb, leading to an endless standoff in the tunnels. This forces CS to be a game of patience and not of skill. The awp is ok if there is 1 or 2 snipers per team other than that it just takes the fun out of the game. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	max 20:59 13/4/2001	great article- totally agree. i think that the AWP is a well balenced weapon i use myself if i have spare cash and everybody gets a great feeling when the oppositions AWP user is taken out by another talented sniper and it was YOU how backed them up! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SuR[MMPF] 21:07 13/4/2001	"and put a slight cog in the works" are you sure u dont mean spanner? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	[GoB]SwitcH 21:21 13/4/2001	The AWP/AWM is easy to use but very hard to master. Likewise with all the other guns. So why all the complaining? And is there a better feeling then rushing a Sniper and pull up your gun and kill him? // [GoB]SwitcH [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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